The 2012 NFL thread

rdtprog wrote: Finnforest wrote: Wow my nerves are frayed from that game!   Sure wish AP could have had one more carry He got some moves i have never seen a running back have. Only 9 yards short... But what a game between a great running game and a great passing game. I  was hoping for a Viking's win to make sure that the Giants won't get in the playoffs...

manofmystery wrote: First round picks: Houston over Cincy - lock of the week Indy over Baltimore - the inspiring story over the team that stumbled its way into the playoffs on the back of a terrible division Seattle over Washington - I'd like to see the Skins win but I think the Seabirds defense shuts RGIII down (the Steelers did it so how hard can it be?) Minnesota over Green Bay - upset special.  If we've learned anything over the last few years it's go with the hot teams.

I just can't get over the AP season when you consider the major surgery just prior......I'm curious....how many of the greatest rushing seasons have occurred after a knee reconstruction? 

I think his surgeon deserves an MVP award too.

horsewithteeth11 wrote: manofmystery wrote: First round picks: Houston over Cincy - lock of the week Indy over Baltimore - the inspiring story over the team that stumbled its way into the playoffs on the back of a terrible division Seattle over Washington - I'd like to see the Skins win but I think the Seabirds defense shuts RGIII down (the Steelers did it so how hard can it be?) Minnesota over Green Bay - upset special.  If we've learned anything over the last few years it's go with the hot teams. I'm just going to go in order here. 1) Lol really? I'll take a team that's 7-1 in the last 8 weeks and has improved greatly in form since going 3-5 against the team that's lost their last 4 games, has a much more questionable defense (outside of JJ Watt I'm not sure the Texans have a defense), and a really banged-up O-line. Not to mention I think the Bungles actually have a better defense overall, even with out linebacker and corner issues. 2) I agree with this one, but I wasn't aware the AFC North was a terrible division. Maybe average or mediocre, but I wouldn't call it terrible If it's such a terrible division, why didn't the Steelers make the playoffs?  3) Agree totally with this one. 4) No, there is no such thing as "hot" and "cold" teams. Especially not at the professional level. Those are just buzzwords that get thrown around instead of talking about substance (statistics, team makeup, etc.). You can't look at a team's record to determine their proficiency or inefficiencies. Not to mention that winning at home in a dome is one thing, but going to Lambeau in January can be an entirely different beast.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: rdtprog wrote: Finnforest wrote: I just can't get over the AP season when you consider the major surgery just prior......I'm curious....how many of the greatest rushing seasons have occurred after a knee reconstruction?  I think his surgeon deserves an MVP award too. I know that in some case, like the Tommy Jones surgery in baseball, the player has a stronger arm after the operation and some players have great career after that operation, maybe it's the case with AP. That's definitely not the case with ACL surgery.

ESPN give a chart of what time recovery for this ACL operation in the past for some players :

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/48583/adrian-peterson-best-acl-recovery-ever

manofmystery wrote: horsewithteeth11 wrote: manofmystery wrote: First round picks: Houston over Cincy - lock of the week Indy over Baltimore - the inspiring story over the team that stumbled its way into the playoffs on the back of a terrible division Seattle over Washington - I'd like to see the Skins win but I think the Seabirds defense shuts RGIII down (the Steelers did it so how hard can it be?) Minnesota over Green Bay - upset special.  If we've learned anything over the last few years it's go with the hot teams. I'm just going to go in order here. 1) Lol really? I'll take a team that's 7-1 in the last 8 weeks and has improved greatly in form since going 3-5 against the team that's lost their last 4 games, has a much more questionable defense (outside of JJ Watt I'm not sure the Texans have a defense), and a really banged-up O-line. Not to mention I think the Bungles actually have a better defense overall, even with out linebacker and corner issues. 2) I agree with this one, but I wasn't aware the AFC North was a terrible division. Maybe average or mediocre, but I wouldn't call it terrible If it's such a terrible division, why didn't the Steelers make the playoffs?  3) Agree totally with this one. 4) No, there is no such thing as "hot" and "cold" teams. Especially not at the professional level. Those are just buzzwords that get thrown around instead of talking about substance (statistics, team makeup, etc.). You can't look at a team's record to determine their proficiency or inefficiencies. Not to mention that winning at home in a dome is one thing, but going to Lambeau in January can be an entirely different beast.   1.  I think you're heart is clouding your judgement.  Cincy is a bad team and showed it in the last few games, despite being gifted victories.  Houston struggled down the stretch but they got the best possible draw in the AFC. I will admit, there is probably a bit of bias here on my part. I'm optimistic, but cautiously. I don't expect us to be favorites by any means and like I said, I don't expect my Bungles to win either. I think the Texans will do a good job of exploiting the middle of our defense, where we are weakest. If they do it well enough, then we have no shot.   2. AFC North is awful.  Did you watch these teams play?  I sure did and, yeesh. I'd still say it's mediocre. Not great but not terrible. If you want an awful division, look at the AFC West.   3. Wise of you   4. Haven't been paying attention the last few years?  Teams do get on a roll and carry momentum.  Lambeau isn't a big deal, anymore, as seen in last year's game against New York. In fact, their last 3 playoff loses are at Lambeau. I don't care about the records when picking playoff games (wouldn't I have picked Green Bay in this game if I did?).  Green Bay is not the team everyone seems to think they are.  Minnesota isn't a special team, either, and this is the pick I'm least confident about but in a close matchup I'll take momentum, a running game, and a decent defense over no mo, no running game, and a poor defense (I seriously don't get the love for a Green Bay team that's 1/2 of one-sided.). Alright. Since you went ahead and explained it, then I'm okay. I just didn't like that you didn't give more reasons other than "because they're a hot team" originally is all. I get tired of hearing supposedly "qualified" football people on ESPN throw words around like that, and I know you're far more intelligent than most other people out there.

At least the AFC West has a good team in it.  I can't say the same for our sorry AFC North.  Even at that, though, the AFC is so weak, overall, that two sorry AFC North teams made the playoffs.  And GODell wants to expand the playoffs?

Edited by manofmystery - December 31 2012 at 13:03

I don't care for the NFL give me those chicks manofmystery

As for AP, I didn't see it but I heard his rehab was like...a thing of torture. He wanted to come back from this, and not just come back but be better than before, and he made it happen.


Yeah...I wouldn't bet $$ on the Bengals but lock of the week? Your crazed Stiller fanhood blinding you a bit, I'd say far from a lock. You yourself MoM acknowledged how momentum is important and the Texans ended with 3 losses out of the last 4, and really their whole second half has been kind of lackluster and sliding downward...
Bengals aren't great but they are playing tough and eeking out those wins. Can't help but notice when a team like the Steelers for example, win in the same fashion everyone raves how they "do what they need" and "just find ways to win" naturally for the Bengals it's back to "gifts" and "luck" and "swamp gas reflecting off Venus got in the eyes of the opponent"   ; )

Any thoughts on Ray Lewis' retirement announcement yesterday?