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Posted By: JJLehto
Subject: The 2012 NFL thread
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:28
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Back to tradition, started by a fan of the Super Bowl team HAHAHAHA TEBOW GOT DUMPED BY SOMEONE WE DONT KNOW IS EVEN HEALTHY YET! Awesome  I hope he just becomes a Pastor and leaves the NFL alone. Poor Dolphin fans....how much do you bet they pick him up? Every time you think they're gunna turn the corner! Giants let Mario Manningham go to the niners (so there's the other receiver they need). Really hope they got a plan (or the o line steps up) because if not this will be a terrible move. Hopes, dreams, fears for this season? |
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:58
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Well it's not just someone who may or may not be healthy. It's one of the best quarterbacks of all time who may or may not be healthy. That's kind of a big difference. Giants were right to not keep Manningham. He wanted too much money and the Giants already have cap trouble, plus much bigger holes than having a third wide receiver. I won't get Manning choosing the Broncos over the niners. I mean I'm glad he did so the NFC isn't troubled by that team. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 12:06
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This is true, but still, it's great. I was hoping Elway deep down wasn't buying the bullcrap. It's double hilarious because this Tebow fanboy pestered me constantly on FB. Jokes aside, I did nothing to warrant it. For some reason he hated the Giants and would tell me constantly and yell fanboyism about Tebow being a mad baller, and a gamer and the next Christ. It's as you said, depends what they do with those holes. We needed him in 2011. If they can address some of the issues on defense (or fix the running game) then yeah we're fine without him. As Scott said, he didn't wanna go to the NFC and maybe play Eli. It's kind of cool to see someone actually not just look at the $$$$ and stick to something they say. Also yeah, now we don't need to worry about him and I'm sure he's getting quite a pretty penny. I expect the Niners to still be very strong, and if Peyton is healthy the Broncos should also be a good team in their lame division. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 12:21
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The Broncos should easily win their division if Peyton is healthy. With that said, I do really like the offseason that the Chargers have had. The Eagles, Chiefs, and Bills have had good offseasons so far I thinks. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 12:47
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For sure, but you know those underachieving Chargers. As usual looks like the G men will be dependent on the draft/coaching those players onto the team. Never really do make free agent splashes, though they are always solid moves. I was kind of hoping they'd do something with Osi now that JPP has stepped up, and I really like Kiwanuka... wish he'd get more playing time. Maybe Osi is keeping his mouth closed for once. I need to catch up, I just know the Eagles gave D Jax the money he wants, which is bad news for us since he should be trying again! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 15:50
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I was def expecting the 49ers but I'm glad he didn't go threre. It seems (esp if Moss is any good anymore) that that would be his ticket to a superbowl win. I suppose the broncos arent a bad choice...though I think they will be shopping for recievers now. Also the dolphins...what a terrible free agency period for them. And good god...I hope no one picks up Tebow. All the "experts" say Jacksonville is a good fit...but I hope the mustashed one doesnt fall for the hype. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:04
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Ah! I forgot about Moss. At first I laughed but it's a sweet move actually. Low risk/high reward (and if he bombs no big deal). If he can produce at a decent level, him with Manningham, Crabtree and Davis....Alex Smith will be looking fine! I don't care, I'm still a fan of his! Chad Henne was picked up by the Jags, IDK if he plans to start or not. To me though that says: Tebow to Miami. I'm calling it! It would be a shame for them, unless they pull a miracle in developing him. Also if he ends up becoming good we'll never hear the end of him and will have to live with Tebowing all over the f**kin place!  Mario Williams to the Bills, good move for them. Brandon Lloyd to the Pats. WELL f**k! Now they have that "deep" receiver who can stretch the field and make a big play. I forsee another 2007  |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 19:34
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The cold mountain air might be tough on Peyton's stiff neck -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 21:59
Naturally you would This is really totally up in the air in my eyes. All depends on the health of Peyton. If he's fine, I see no reason why the team won't have success...he'll have what he hasn't for 6 years in Indy: A defense! They have some decent receivers and McGahee. A healthy Peyton would be the mixer for it all. If he's not fully back well, it's gunna be a bad year. Oh, just saw Vincent Jackson to the Buccs. Seems like a weird move but maybe they're hoping for addition by subtraction? Can work if the distraction is big enough. Great move for the Buccs, they need all the help possible! Now that I heard about how many empty seats the Phins have I'm more sure Tebow will be going there. Back in Florida, he'll put butts in the seats for a season or two before he drives em away Or watch them try some w**ky wildcat sh*t again. It could kinda work for him....ugh I'll hate another season of Tebow being spoon fed success. Someone take the time to develop him!! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 23:59
| My dolphins friend is about to have a heart attack. I think he's ready to lead an armed takeover of the Miami Dolphins front office! |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 08:29
^ He's not excited about David Garrard?  ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 09:32
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Matt Moore is a good quarterback. The Phins should just stick with him and aim for Barkley next year if it doesn't work out. Lloyd to the Pariots. Perfect move for them on a reasonable deal. Too bad their defense will still be atrocious. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 10:19
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They didn't sign Lloyd as a CB? They could put him back there with Bond villainess Dani Woodhead. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 10:31
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I think they're looking to trade for Tebow and play him as CB.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 10:49
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Manning would have been better off in Tennessee,I think going to the Broncos was a bad move.A dome QB for 14 years playing half the season in Mile High? Good luck with that. My Ravens have lost so many good players to free agency,especially on defense.I really hated to see Jared Johnson go,especially to the Colts. -------------  |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 11:22
That is the only saving grace, but still a scary move and the guys in the AFC needed to step up! AKA Don't give em a free ticket to the Super Bowl again! Things were screwy though without Peyton and Schaub. Yeah Jody, I thought Peyton would love playing the Colts twice but maybe he doesn't want to  Guess it was about time? That defense was getting aged. Not just Garrard. This was his text to me "So we can't get Jeff Fischer, lose out on Peyton, Flynn signs with Seattle. Smith was a tease. Oh!! And we let go of our best wide out and now we released one of our best safeties" Then add Garrard |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 12:49
 Don't have a ton of words to describe how great it's been watching him for the last 14 years or how much he has meant to the city of Pittsburgh and Steelers fans everywhere and how much it does mean that he would chose them over playing anywhere else. Will miss you on the field, Hines.------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 12:57
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Well, we all knew it was happening this year, but always sad when a life long vet hangs it up, especially when he's been a big part of success. At least he's ending it as a Steeler. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 13:04
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Good riddance.
------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 13:21
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It's really a credit to him and how much he cares about the team and its fans to hang it up when he doesn't really want to. I hope they find a roll for him within the organization.
Also, I had interesting time killer for everyone: Put together your all-time team. I'd try to avoid using active players, if possible. Here is the depth chart (can use either 4-3 or 3-4 defense or both, if you want):
Offense:
QB
RB
FB
TE
LT
LG
C
RG
RT
WR
WR
Defense 4-3:
LOLB
ROLB
MLB
DE
DE
DT
DT FS
SS
CB CB 3-4:
LOLB
ROLB
ILB
ILB
DE
DE NT FS
SS CB CB Special Teams:
P
K
Feel free to do a full depth chart with your backups, if you like. Will have mine soonish. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 13:23
The philtadelphia comes out in Equality. Not as though this is a retiring Giant, Cowboy, or Skin that you had to see twice a year. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 13:24
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Reposting due to page change:
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 13:47
That's true, but Hines just had a hate me face which kind of amplifies it to almost NFC East level hate. I feel like I haven't seen nearly enough football in my life to do an all time list. I could do a current players list. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 14:43
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Offense:
QB - Joe Montana
RB - Jim Brown
FB - Marion Motley/Bronco Nagurski (really don't consider Jim Brown or Earl Campbell true fullbacks)
TE - John Mackey
LT - Anthony Muñoz
LG - John Hannah
C - Mike Webster
RG - Larry Allen
RT - Forrest Gregg
WR - Jerry Rice
WR - Don Hutson
3-4:
LOLB - Lawrence Taylor
ROLB - Jack Hamm (would flip the two depending on which side is the QBs blindside)
ILB - Jack Lambert
ILB - Dick Butkus
DE - Bruce Smith
DE - Deacon Jones NT - Joe Greene FS - Steve Atwater
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Mel Blount CB - Night Train Lane Special Teams:
P - Sammy Baugh (will keep teams on their toes watching for the fake)
K - Matt Stover (I don't think this gigantic pain-in-the-ass ever missed a field goal against the Steelers) ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 15:27
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First, 4-3 is the only way to go and seconded with, I can only really vouch for players from 2004 on (or the general time period) My all time list would just be all the big names. Most of which I know of but have never even seen highlight clips of. Though I would have to pick Barry Sanders for my all time RB because he was on the Lions....imagine him on the Bears or Cowboys! Even more behind an all time o line? An unstoppable force! Ah yes, I wonder how Pat felt after the retirement of Michael Strahan, my guess is not quite as happy as Donovan McNabb |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:19
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Actually, I don't think with Sanders style of running that his numbers would have been that different with better teams. Emmitt Smith was the type of runner that needed a ridiculous o-line to be great, Barry Sanders was not. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:20
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You could do an "of my lifetime" list. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 18:39
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I hated Hines mostly because we had to see him twice a year (not like the Bungles were anything worthwhile most of the time anyway). Also because I still think he's a dirty player. I will sigh and shake my head on the day he makes it into the HoF. Where's Robert's blue smh smiley when you need it? ------------- 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 18:55
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Anyone who hits hard is a "dirty" now. He broke one of your boy's jaw on a clean hit, as I recall, and the league overreacted and changed the rules. Such a sissy slap game now. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 19:05
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Well when your defense incapacitates a certain unnamed quarterback in a playoff game (say around 2006 or so) by going at his knees (and IMO ruining the rest of his career), you tend to be accused of certain things. Although I do agree that there are a lot more restrictions on certain hits. I would draw the line with shots at the knees or head, but that's about it. We're going to be going to professional flag football at the current rate. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:02
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Yeah the whole "dirty" thing annoys me. It's known that I believe Harrison is a dirty (and lazy) player. He plays to hurt, not tackle. He tries to take you out, and while MoM won't admit it....if you watch he always lowered his head to go for a blatant hit. He even admitted to not following the rule! Ward is aggressive, maybe (like Suh) it gets the best of him. That's not dirty. Flozell Adams from the Cowboys was dirty. I believe he was the most penalized player in history, mainly holding and personal foul calls and had quite a habit of...."accidentally tripping" Giant players. God I never thought I'd hate a lineman |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:37
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Harrison makes what would have been considered textbook hits before GODell was commish. Also, the "rules" are completely ambiguous from week to week now. Harrison could care less about taking someone out. He just goes full speed into his hits and what happens happens. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:46
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The rules are ambiguous, but the rules against helmet-to-helmet are not. It's a part of the game that needs to be changed. Who cares though because THE EAGLES TRADED FOR AN IMPACT LINEBACKER. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:50
Noo, I'm getting into it again but just gunna focus on the highlighted part. You admit it, he admits it...like it or not it's the rule and he blatantly says screw the rule, and he gets upset about being suspended? You truly would not care if someone made a blatant hit right to Ben's head? What if he misses 6 games because of it, while a hit to the chest would've been brushed off? (And still a sack) If not, you are really one conservative b*****d I never want someone to be seriously hurt, but I hope Harrison does one of his helmet hits and misses a whole f**kin year because of it. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:52
Yeah I'm pretty pissed, you finally have a linebacker. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 21:58
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Now you're pissing me off. I didn't admit anything. I say the rules change from week to week and it's "you admit he's breaking the rules". I say he could care less about "taking someone out" and he's head hunting. You sicken me. I don't accept your bassackwards premise to begin with so I'm not playing your little game. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:02
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Oh fine, but I was sincere about the question. Would you honestly not mind if someone did the same to Ben? |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:25
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Ben gets hit in and around the head a lot and it's rarely called. Ngata punched him in the face, breaking his nose, a two years ago and nothing was called. Terrell Suggs hits Andy Dalton in the head and then horse collar tackles him on the final play of a game last year and it goes completely untalked about. There are no real rules, the league selectively enforces everything and makes up rules that suit their interests as they go along. Let the players play the damn game. I think it's completely asinine that all of a sudden everybody believe that players can completely control how and where they will be hitting someone if they are both travelling at full speed. You guys are all eating GODell's bullsh*t with a serving spoon. Harrison is not trying to contact helmets or end careers he's just hitting the player with the ball at a high rate of speed as was celebrated for the leagues first 75+ season. Of course I'd be upset if someone blatantly clubbed Ben in the head but it just doesn't happen that way. Given Ben's tendency to hold onto the ball for way too long he's far more likely to go out like Joe Theismann (a perfectly legal hit by LT, by the way). ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:34
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Fair enough. And no I really do not like helmet to helmet to hits. I also think it's a bit lazy since you no longer need to wrap up and tackle. I also don't like the "shoulder hits" you see all the time because many players just shake it off and burn you. Lazy ass tackling, but that's less dangerous. Hey man it's a violent game, guys still get messed up all the time, even with how soft its become a lot of these players will need wheelchairs and become half robotic in their older days. I just think it's fine to cut down where possible. Hard hits are fine, and if helmets hit too bad. If it's blatant, I'm fine with it being called in that case. You are right it's inconsistently called and yes a lot of the clean, hard hits are also getting penalized and it's BS |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:37
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As for Pat, certainly a good pick up. D jax has his money now. All is good. This has to be the year though. Right or wrong, if Philly fails expectations (whatever they may be) Reid is goooooone |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 22:52
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I agree that there is a ton of lazy tackling and that players need to focus on wrapping up. Maybe it's because all of todays players grew up watching the flashy Deion Sanders go his entire career without ever tackling anyone .
NFL players are destined for a hard later life due to the strain they put on their bodies just getting ready to play every week.
If the league were to put together some sort of past-player/current-or-past-official panel to hand out punishments for "bad" hits after all a weeks games are played I would be fine with that but they need to stop penalizing entire teams and effecting the outcomes of games over split second judgement calls on an an ever changing rule. I'm sure you remember the completely ridiculous roughing the passer called on the Giants that kept what would become a Packers TD drive alive as they tried to make a comback. Officials are pissing their pants out there trying to avoid getting in trouble for letting something go unflagged. It's insane how compromised the integrity of each game has become because of one man. It's not enough that he completely let the Patriots off the hook for cheating their way to 3 Super Bowls win he has to micromanage the officiating in such a way that they can't do their jobs at all (not that they did that great before). ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 23:29
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Indeed, and even "soft" hits are still hits. Some of these dudes are small. I still cant believe Wes Welker is my size and goes out there. One hit from a linebacker and I'm dead. Well I meant specifically helmet hits, I do agree the inconsistency of calls is horrid. I try not to dwell on it since I'm a fan but yeah, that first game was handed to the Pack on a silver platter and I think it's obvious. Rodgers and also Brees have been added to the golden QB list. I do think nothing could be done about the 3 Super Bowls for it'd be a clusterf**k, but I did lose ANY respect for Goodell after he gave the Pats and wrist slap. I try to just enjoy the game and not get pissed off with this stuff. To their credit, I thought the officiating was much better in the playoffs, a lot more "letting them play". Ironic it was after public outcry and goodell saying "officiating should be fair". The people can always have some sway if they complain enough! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:05
Wow the judgment for the Saints' bounty involvement came down, and it's harsh.
And Tebow is a Jet. First the front office gives an inexplicable extension and raise to one of the worst qbs I've ever seen two years before it being necessary. Now they bring in Tebow? Maybe Peyton didn't want to go there since the front office obviously suffers from a collective dementia. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:17
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Whew...that punishment is a tough one. I assume Williams will be out for over a year being it seems he is the real focal point. Any idea who is going to coach the saints for the first six games at least? And whhyyyy??!God damn. Im no jet fan but I do live in the area...I can only imainge the tebow talk will be even worse now that he is close...... But lol @ the jets...first they sign Sanchez to a longish contract than they go and get Tebow. And I thought Miami had a bad off season! Time to go poke fun at my friends who are jet fans. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:22
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Sean Peyton is out for the entire year. I have no idea who will coach them for next season. I would assume he has to be fired. Samething with the Rams. They need a new DC now.
------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 12:57
| Tebow in the big apple, ha ha |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 13:50
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.....god damn it It was bad before, but living in the NYC Metro Area I will truly never hear the end of Tebow. I hope he bombs miserably and gets booted ASAP. I don't even care about the Jets but sh*t, I won't even be able to listen to sports radio like I love so much, gunna be Tebowmania 25/7. Yes, the stations will work another hour into the day to talk about Tebow! ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh And yeah, the pressure is now on Sanchez...with Tebow "Hey 3 legged dog, you gotta step up if not we have a 2 legged dog waiting". I knew the Jets would like to take back their crown of biggest morons ever! Oh man the Jet fans are already so terrible, all we need is one of "Tebow's epic game winning comebacks" and it's f**kin over. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 13:56
And by Big Apple you of course mean Northern New Jersey. First Giant Stadium is turned into this drab, gray mess now we have to share it with that f**k Tebow. I need beer. We knew Peyton's penalty would be harsh, as it should be, and damn it was. Well, they can pull a New England and somehow turn this into a "us against the world" mentality Become reclusive, give interviews 3 words at a time, start cutting up your hoodies to say f**k you the NFL. Takes talent to turn your cheating into a statement against the league! Anywho, big day I guess. Saints have gotten their penalty, the second coming of Christ has been bestowed upon the Jets. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 15:47
Well in theory the Vitt could coach when he comes back. Don't really know the logistics of all this but I assume constant switching of head coaches isnt the easiest thing in the world. And I doubt they will fire Peyton. Williams on the other hand maybe...no idea when he'll be allowed back in the nfl...but certainly wont be soon. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 15:50
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My favorite of the ones I"ve seen...not the cleverist of course... http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150612307502175&set=a.10150418131802175.354954.536932174&type=1&ref=nf" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:01
EIther way they need a new coach. Either way, they're changing head coaches. It doesn't matter how hard it is. It's happening. It's already happened. You wouldn't fire him? Here's the situation. You have a manager who has knowledge of his subordinate committing an illegal act. He is warned about having the subordinate stop this illicit scheme. He fails to do so. As a result, the authorities detain him for one year while charging the business a sum of money and draft picks. How do you keep him? You just ignore what he did and let him ride out a year off? You change your system for a year then go back to him? If this happens in any other job, you're fired already. It's a disgrace to me if he remains the coach. He hurt the team through neglect. It's just as bad as hurting the team through poor coaching. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:02
Funny but I think it's kinda breaking the censorship policy. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:12
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Yes, awfully ballsy of you MWH! Ridiculous....Sanchez and Tebow. A dynamic duo of fail. The sad thing is of course Sanchez is better. He is at least a QB, that can throw and has shown the potential to be solid. With Tebow we've seen at best he can throw together 5 good minutes, or he can maintain a game with a lead. (Yet to lead a real comeback victory, where he usually just burns). I wonder will they try to develop him? Because throwing him into a normal passing system will be a nightmare. Jets like the Wildcat...did they grab Tebow just to use him for 10 snaps a game in wildcat? With the fragile and immature psyche of Sanchez they brought in Tebow??? He won't push Sanchez and at worst he'll mess with Sanchez's head even more. The distraction will be huge. The Jets are morons. Other big news: Wonder if Spags will end up coaching the Saints for this year. Wouldn't mind, I'd like to see him coach a good team actually. Also after the flak Goodell got from Spygate for going light (IMO accurate) he certainly did what was needed this time. Brought the hammer down hard on coaches, not that he has much respect but this saved any shreds of it. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:16
Nobody is mentioning the Jets' best quarterback: Drew Stanton.  ------------- 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:18
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This year is only gunna get crazier with the draft coming up. The Luck Truck will be here soon. I love how people get so enamored with athletic QBs. Luck was THE sh*t. The best QB in years, a prototypical NFL ready QB, maybe the best since Peyton. Now people want RG3! Obviously an athletic QB can be a good passer (McNabb, McNair, Culpepper) but soooo many, especially with huge college stats, are busts or mega projects. Cam Newton is a freak who came right out passing so well (and will only get better). Luck is a decently athletic guy as well. 2012 is going to a be a crazy year for sure. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 16:38
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I think RG3 will be fine. He's not a project like Vick was. Tebow trade may be voided. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 00:29
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Summing up Wednesday's action:
The Jets have to have the dumbest front office in football.
I haven't followed the Bountygate thing too closely. That said, it is certainly clear that GODell is still a major piece of sh*t. Will anyone in the media have the balls to ask him about how compromising the integrity of games and entire seasons is only worth a slap on the wrist compared to the punishments he handed out yesterday? I guarantee that massive joke would have given the Saints a pass too if they'd have gone and licked his boots like Robert Kraft does. I'm not questioning the punishments but I am questioning what truely motived GODell to hand them down. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 02:14
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I agree with MoM on something...finally! The Jets have the dumbest front office in the NFL. I think the Saints organization got what it deserved,putting out bounties and paying players to intentionally hurt other players is wrong on so many levels.And the NFL isn't done yet,they still promised that some players will be punished.Interesting to see who they are and what punishment they receive. One question....why didn't the f**king Pats get similar treatment for Spygate?
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 03:01
Well yeah...but Idk if it's worth it for them to have two or more substitute head coaches in one season or just stick with whomever they pick in the beginning of the season. And I'm just saying I doubt hell by fired, not whether or not he should be fired. According to the "experts" he is close with the owners/big decision makers of the Saints and the players seem to respect him/feed off his energy/etc. Now this may change of course as the year goes on (esp if they go 15-1 and win a superbowl). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 03:02
Oh yeah. No question about it. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 04:55
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One thing EVERYONE can agree on...the Jets have taken the crown for dumbest management in the NFL. Just to cement the victory, the Tebow deal may now fall through?? An issue over who's paying guaranteed money, except it was in the contract. Did they agree to sign him without reading the damn thing? I think they may also be trying to take the title of most dysfunctional team in the NFL to boot! That is the infamous question Jody. I know tons of people (myself being one) were pissed NE got a slap on the wrist. The comish wanted to sweep it under the rug. Why? Either just to be rid of it OR there was quite a lot of bad bad evidence (I think there was) and wanted to cap the scandal. Either way, glad he came down. Football is violent, should be so and dirty shots will happen, but in reason and the bounty is too much. I heard that Warren Sapp has "reliable sources" that claim it was Jeremy Shockey who leaked it. If this is true, I wonder his motivation. Doesn't strike me as a noble type, I wonder if had some grievance so decided to stick it to New Orleans. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 08:07
Differences Besides hurting the integrity of the game, it threatened long term irrevocable injuries to players at a time where medical information surrounding concussions is leading to massive legal action against the NFL. The NFL knew of this and warned the Saints to stop, but they continued with this system. There's more evidence directly tying the head coach to the action than in Spygate. I don't think the penalty is that much more severe. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 08:12
That's been settled. The two teams are splitting the extra money. It wasn't the guaranteed money. His contract entitled him to double his guarantee if traded. It's a strange clause that was missed by both teams essentially. They were the dumbest front office when they gave Sanchez a pay raise. I don't even know what to call them now.
And people who commit homicide will still buy a candy bar for a kid. Being a jerk like Shockey in no way precludes him from acting with the best intentions in this case. With that said, Warren Sapp should not being outing him, especially on the NFL Network. Also, many other people more knowledgeable than Sapp have vehemently insisted that Shockey did not leak the info. It seems like speculation to me. Blame the guy who is an a****le in the locker room and left the team disgruntled. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 08:18
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New rule changes on the docket for the NFL. I think all of them would be improvements. Thoughts? * A dramatic overhaul of the current instant replay system. The Buffalo Bills have proposed getting rid of the current coaches’ challenge system and going to a system similar to the colleges, which relies on a replay official up in the booth to overturn incorrect calls. The purpose of the proposal would be to speed up the game and eliminate those fun under-the-hood reviews by the on-field referee. * Expansion of the league’s playoff overtime rule to the regular season. The current overtime rule in the postseason allows both teams at least one possession if the team that receives the overtime kickoff doesn’t score a touchdown. That’s different than the current first-team-that-scores-wins overtime rule in the regular season. * The automatic review of all plays involving turnovers. Currently, those plays only can be reviewed if a coach challenges the on-field call. Last year, the league began having a replay official in the booth review all scoring plays. This would add turnovers to the expanded list. * In an attempt to increase in-season trade activity and make football more like baseball and basketball, the owners will consider a proposal to move back the trade deadline from the sixth week of the season to Week 8. Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Proposed-rule-changes-on-docket-for-NFL-owners.html#ixzz1pqqHiD2t" rel="nofollow - http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Proposed-rule-changes-on-docket-for-NFL-owners.html#ixzz1pqqHiD2t ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 08:53
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You are right, just because Shockey is an ass does not mean he had malicious intent, he could've honestly wanted to do what's right. There is of course no way to know, and I guess it's just easy to jump to the negative side with him! I thought it was a bit distasteful myself (Sapp) but that's how it seems to be today. I was also a little confused that it was Sapp but who knows, we'll see. Not sure it can even be proven so it will always be speculation. Regardless, I am glad it came out. I think those are all fine suggestions. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 09:08
I don't think that what the Saints did hurt the integrity of the game simply because bounties have existed amongst defensive players for a long time, whether they all put money in a pool for monetary reward or be it just for bragging rights. What was unusual and unacceptable was the involvement of the coaching staff. Also, this scandal didn't directly corrupt the outcome of games and entire seasons.
To believe that Belichick wasn't orchestrating Spygate would be beyond nieve. He led an effort to corrupt the integrity of each and ever game they played during that stretch and at the end of the day recieved a fine and lost some meaningless draft picks to go with his 3 ill-gotten rings (the fine isn't a big deal if 3 super bowls have you rolling in more dough than you'd have had otherwise). Belichick, and several other Patriots' coaches, should have been recieved a lifetime ban for cheating.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 09:20
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I'm pretty sure that ruins the integrity of the game. There's no proof that Spygate affected any outcomes either. There was intent and action to affect outcomes in both cases. From all evidence which has been released, it seems like there was a weaker link the Spygate saga. That surely should be factored into the punishment. So with the overtime rules. You have two teams constructed like this. Team A: Elite offense, no defense Team B: Very good offense, Very good defense Team A wins the coin toss. Team B holds them to a field goal. Team B would almost surely score a touchdown on their next possession. Team A wins the game? I'm sorry. I'm not comfortable having a coin determine the game. You say defense is part of the game, but you will allow overtime rules which completely eliminate the defensive aspect for one team. That's inane. The trade deadline is the best part of baseball. What's wrong with having teams be able to improve themselves midseason? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 09:34
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You guys probably don't agree, but I'm thrilled to see the Saints called on the bounty thing. I still can't believe that championship game with the Vikings. At the time it seemed so obvious to me that they were trying to injure Favre, as opposed to good clean hits. I don't oppose hard hits in either hockey or football, but when there is specific intent to end someone's season or career, that is just so lame. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 10:05
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 10:20
I agree and I hate Favre. They did the same thing to Warner. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 10:24
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 12:08
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I agree with MoM.......I think GODell took the easy way out in this whole issue. I'm not questioning the punishment because that is a separate topic. For sure the Saints knew something bad would happen.....and it has.
The NFL is trying their best to sweep this whole deal under the rug. Rather than address this issue which has been going on for eons in football. You seriously think that the Raiders back in the day did not do this also?
And when you have former NFL players come out and testify that it has happened, will happen and never will stop happening and the NFL does not begin a full league all team investigation....its hogwash!
GODell is only interested in making sure his lucrative TV/Cable/Sponser contracts are not in jeopardy...as I am sure his salary/bonus is directly linked to this.
Feces flows from the top, it always does and I think he should loose his job.....you can;t say he didn't know this has been going on for years and with no real plan to stop it.
It is effortless to punish someone......But it takes a lot of effort to educate someone to be better.
And thats horsedung about the Warner and Favre deals.
Warner threw an INT and panicked and got in the play as a tackler, he got hit hard and it was a legal hit, no flag was thrown......So I don't understand what the problem is? He should have been smarter and got outta the play as QBs are not trained to tackle anyone.
And I promise you Favre would tell you thats football.....he was old and getting hit by a bunch of 20 somethings is not good for an old guy.
Belichek and Spygate, only they were doing it.....and they got a slap on the butt.......Bounty has been going on forever and all teams have done it........yet the NFL only punishes one team.
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Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 15:43
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 16:05
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 16:10
I disagree. I watched that Saints/Vikings game with a bunch of fans who've been watching NFL for decades, and your implication that what happened in that game was the same as what happens in every game for years is hogwash. The hits in that game were not NFL norm just like any other game. I only wish the Vikes had returned the favor. I would have taken a suspension to drill Brees square in the back, out of bounds, when he wasn't looking. That's not how I like football to be, but if the Saints like no-standards football, then it should go both ways. You want Hanson Brothers, then lets get it on . |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 17:57
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^ and I disagree with you.......Its football and they wear helmets and pads and have been hitting people with intent to hurt for yrs.....It is what it is. If that is the case then why did the officials NOT throw any flags for unnecessary roughness?
All the play was within in the rules of the NFL for BOTH games the Saints played, and with other games where hard hits are involved. What you are wanting is for the refs to throw flags for any hit where the hittee did not see it coming. Well getting hit from the side or wrapped up from the back and dropped hard is legal...maybe the NFL needs to install "eyes" in the helmets so the players can see where everyone is coming from so they can get out of the way.
Better yet how about same type of punishment for those players who take PEDs to get bulkier and stronger than normal and inflict pain on the field.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 18:03
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 19:29
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Well certainly the officials did not see it that way either...nor the NFL for that matter. And if the NFL did, they should have done something about it right away, assuming they did not want to get involved. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 21:41
Obviously hard hits are fine, and aiming for injured body parts is part of the game. They WILL go after it. The Saints admitted after the game they were trying to hit his injured parts, and I forget who but someone once warned Sam Bradford about playing hurt saying "people will aim for your broken arm". Obviously in theory it should be clean hard hits, but people do go out to to try and hurt you if possible. The whole paying thing is kind of messed up, especially since it was a coach doing it. If you recall, the Packers got in some water a few years ago for having a bounty...but I guess it was just "rumor" so nothing could be acted upon it. Ironic Favre was the QB of that team Paying adds extra incentive to go for the kill and it's beyond the spirit of the game, it is indeed playing solely to hurt...not just playing hard. Hard and clean is fine, but when players are being paid extra to hurt people then obviously it's not "incidental". The Saints coaching staff got an appropriate punishment. The team is of course still intact and they can even rally around this. Drew Brees will become the absolute leader now. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 21:46
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Not to be this guy but Catcher...you DO see where it's tough to believe you right? Are you 100% sincere in that belief? If it was discovered the Niners had a bounty on Drew Brees, thus going out of their way to try and hurt him you would not be crying for penalties? Remember that any injury has a chance that player may never fully recover from it. It just looks kind of bad you are against the call AND so passionately and that it happens to affect your team Like I said in the above post...Drew Brees is a vet and the team can rally. I think the punishments were appropriate and the physical team won't suffer from it. Though sadly, ever hard hit even if its 100% clean there will be questions. Also Gregg Williams is done, depending on when his suspension is up. If it's like 2 years, I think there's a good chance no one will pick him up again. If the Giants were busted with this I'd be just as supportive as I am now. The whole bounty thing is wrong. We know it happens...the Pack managed to slide by, but this is certainly a warning...knock it off because if you do get caught the hammer will be brought. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 22:09
Where do I say I think it is RIGHT? And where did I say I was against any CALL...what call? I don't understand.....you are putting words in my mouth.
I could care less that it is the Saints.....PERIOD!!!!!! That's not what I am talking about....Except that people are talking about the Warner hit which is ridiculous IMO...he was in the play and it was a legal hit.
My only point is that the NFL is hiding behind this punishment. Everyone is saying..."yea it happens and probably gonna keep happening." So then all I am saying is GODell needs to do something about it........Put some effort into it.....a monkey could have handed down those penalties.....It was not rocket science.
Every hard hit where the player ends up on the ground, people start looking for the flag and a fine.......If that's the case then change the rules and have them play without helmets and no hitting allowed and they can wear belts with flags on them.
NFL needs to wake up and do something about the bounty.....This has done nothing to deter the players from talking about it or doing it.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 16:36
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So the suspended Payton is looking to hand pick his successor, asked Bill Parcells to unretire for the year. I can't believe he's even allowed to talk to anyone about such matters. I was curious how suspended he was....get the f**k out of here or he can still talk to people and etc Looks like he's not toooo suspended. Ah Goodell, you truly are a joke. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 17:50
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I got a kick out of this. Stolen from King's MMQB article. "Okay, so Peyton Manning was a tremendous MVP quarterback, but he's been injured. If that injury comes back, Denver will find itself without a quarterback. And in my opinion, it would serve them right." -- Evangelist Pat Robertson of the 700 Club, talking about Denver's decision to sign Peyton Manning and trade Tebow Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/26/meetings/index.html#ixzz1qGYSseCM" rel="nofollow - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/26/meetings/index.html#ixzz1qGYSseCM ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 27 2012 at 11:35
I think, not sure, that the suspension does not start till April 1......I also heard he and Loomis are attending the meetings in Palm Springs or wherever?
So yea GODell gave them time to figure this out before the "suspension" really starts.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 27 2012 at 11:42
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Yes. He's not suspended yet. So there's no reason he shouldn't be able to talk.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 27 2012 at 13:28
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Ah well that explains it. In that case you're right though as Catcher said it's more or less an end around. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 27 2012 at 21:34
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WILLIAM GAY IS GONE! HOORAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 10:28
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The NFL regular season will now follow the modified overtime rules. All turnovers will be automatically reviewed. Consider me happy. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 10:59
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Ugh ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 13:39
I'd still like a modification of the OT rules but indeed. I'm glad both of these are in effect.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 13:42
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They are still using the "both teams get a chance unless a TD is scored on the very first play" rule? I thought it was kinda pointless to do that, but in 99% of cases at least both teams will get a chance to score. I hated sudden death OT. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 17:07
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Here's hoping there aren't any OTs ever again. If I wasn't raised to be a diehard Steelers fan I'd have stopped watching this joke of a league by now. There are few people on this planet I absolutely hate and the current jackass running the NFL is one of them. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:59
I do believe its first drive (not play) but yes, thats the one that will now be implimented in the regular season. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 00:06
Lets nip this in the bud.....ALL plays should be reviewed, just to make sure nobody is holding, pushing, spitting, kicking, pinching or calling another player a bad name....that would not be a nice thing in the National Football League. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 15:48
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I hate the Saints. I've hated them since 2007. I just don't like the franchise. Then the bounty thing happened and I hated them more. Now if this is true: I really hate them. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7846290/new-orleans-saints-mickey-loomis-eavesdrop-opposing-coaches-home-games" rel="nofollow - Saints GM reportedly spying on opposing coaches. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 21:40
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Shame, I always liked the Saints. Much as it pains me, I wonder if rampant cheating (as in more than usual "dirty football things") is more common than we think. Remember the Packers got in trouble for the same bounty thing a few years ago, but it pretty much got ignored. (Again, must be great to be one of the most popular teams) And...well everyone from the Belicheck umbrella seems to be a cheat. Guess this is why it's best to stop caring about fairness in sports lolol |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 23:04
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 19:00
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Draft time. I'm not really too into all this draft madness, I just hope the Giants address their needs. Which is: 1- O line 2- Back 7 defense 3- A good wideout. The receiver is not as critical as the first two, but we've seen what Eli can do with 3 good targets. O line is a must, fix that sh*tty ass run game and let Eli be even better, unless he functions best when under pressure 70% of the time I'd say a linebacker is critical but...well we've ignored it for years and manage to escape, the secondary is more important anyway. Get some help for Bradshaw and Eli, shore up the D a bit, and hopefully add a big wideout and I see the G men maybe winning the next 3 Super Bowls  |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 19:07
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Whew....after 2 god damn years Andrew Luck is finally in the NFL. Glad that story is over, now the irrational expectations and comparisons to Peyton shall commence! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 21:58
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We'll see what the Giants do, but so far I think the NFC E have had amazing drafts.
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