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"Cuba is a capitalist country"
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Points: 26138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2012 at 14:43
Communism could work very well in a vacuum. However, it has two realities to deal with  --

a) power corrupts
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b) people like to own stuff.

So that's why it doesn't really work in practice.  In principle, though, I like the idea of the whole being greater than the individual.
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I sense a pointless argument over definitions coming.
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One where the absolute central planification of absolutely everything in Cuba is called capitalism because people still live in their own house and not in communes and people can actually own the clothes they are wearing.

Oh yes the reforms of Raul Castro might be mentioned. Now people can travel a little more and other little things. Yes basically Cuban is libertarian.
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2012 at 19:04
If your definition of "communism" is central planning and everyone living in communes then I have no time for arguing with you. 


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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2012 at 19:27
You probably wouldn't want to debate with anyone who doesn't agree with you anyway buy hey, that was quite a narrow list of details of course. Means of production ownership, elimination of classes, etc. But I'm open for your precise definition that will quite clearly exclude Cuba.

In a way though you are right. Cuba is just a fascist/extreme-socialist state when one group enjoys everything and the rest of the population is dependent of the state.
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Calling the current Cuban regime capitalist is quite ridiculuous indeed.
But calling the death camps of Stalin means of economic progress is really absurd, outrageous and an offense against the tens of millions of victims.
If you want one real pure communist regime than look at the regime of Pol Pot.
What others only talked about doing eventually Pol Pot actually put into effect, there was no build-up, no step-by-step process, it was full, complete communism all at once.
The most nightmarish regime probably ever.
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^Someone will tell you that according to pure Marxian-Engelsian theory/dogma, that is not communism. Democratic Kampuchea, though, as you said, is the closest to full communism we have ever had. And the record is not so bad: just 25% of the population died. I mean it could've been worse, could've been 27%.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I sense a pointless argument over definitions coming.

R O dude.

BTW Cuba was a capitalist country and that worked out so well that the people who weren't part of the privileged class supported Castro for many years.


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 20 2012 at 14:20
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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