Any Communist prog fans out there?
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Topic: Any Communist prog fans out there?
Posted By: The Wizard
Subject: Any Communist prog fans out there?
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:19
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I noticed that there seems to be a lot of right-wing prog fans out there (must be due to Rush's Ayn Rand worship). This kind sucks for me because i've always been a fan of Karl Marx, Engels and the struggle of the working class to abolish itself. Robert Wyatt from the Soft Machine and Matching Mole is still an avowed communist to this day which makes me hopeful that i'm not the only communist prog fan out there. -------------  
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:24
| It's too bad Vompatti isn't around much anymore or he'd surely post in this thread. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:28
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Is he a red?
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:40
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I'd love to make a long rant about how I hate communism and believe that it's an infringement on people's rights, but I don't have time. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:40
| He is. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:53
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I despise communism and its soft variants but I wouldn't have a problem with a communist-prog subgenre. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:57
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What are the soft-variants of communism? -------------
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 00:57
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Also i'm pretty sure Henry Cow are communist as well. -------------
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 01:04
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I do believe in a form of redistribution. I believe in a simple tax system where everyone is taxed the same percent of their income, no matter how rich or poor, no other taxes necessary. However I think it would be wonderful if some of that tax money were given to the poor.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 03:45
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It looks good on paper and would probably work if not for humans' general stupidity, greed, sloth and shortsightedness. It has a lot of potential but has been used as the means to the same end as every other system in history. It ultimately leads to Totalitarianism to be sure the "even" redistribution of wealth does not apply to the ruling class.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 03:47
What do you think of cultural marxism (cultural communism)? It's pretty prevalent these days.
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Tapfret wrote:Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:18
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The only time I ever hear that term is from sabre rattling radicals. It is a purely inflammatory pseudo-ideology drummed up by a handful of people who hate the fact that they will never be able to convert everyone to their way of thinking. The fact that people of different races, nationalities, religions, political orientation, gender identification and so-on can work side by side really pisses some people off. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:29
I agree with you. I'm what you call a third cultural kid and I think people can most definitely live side by side peacefully. The problem is that there are power hungry elites who utilize the tribal nature within most of us to prevent that from happening.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 04:38
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im so called socialist, but no im more light pink then red to be honest, but im not really a social democrat, more a liberal socialist, if anything, if you had pointed a gun to my head, i whould say i was that, liberal-socialist. Some Swedish prog is left wing and some Norwegian 70s prog is so also, socialist prog or comunist prog, but there is also agrarianist prog, and liberal prog and also conercvative prog, and non-confirmative prog -------------  
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:49
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I usually let music do musical stuff rather than look for politics in it.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:51
This.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 08:59
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I don't have too much of a problem with anarcho-communism (well, I do, but I wouldn't really want to prevent it if.)
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:06
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I suspect I lean towards Communism.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:13
| I'm for it as long as I get to be a high ranking Party official, with the nice cars and dachas and so forth. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:18
Yeah, having your own dacha would be sweet, wouldn't it? I could get on board for that. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:20
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In a way many prog bands already work like a communist dream. All band members are equal but some are more equal than others. -------------
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 09:23
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And they're all poor.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 10:02
Captain Beefheart's Magic Band leaps to mind. -------------
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 10:29
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I'm not a communist, but definitely of the western European socialist variety. I think most bands are on the left side of the political spectrum (certainly not all though). ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:38
| Grey is frequently better than black or white, perhaps only because we are (thankfully) not all the same. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:47
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Most good lyrics are counter establishment, system, ect. ; But communism in its old form, is a bit warn out, ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:49
Cultural Marxism is a joke. The people who ramble about this stuff are usually far-right nationalist with extreme paranoia issues. Marxism cannot be cultural because it is an inherently materialist conception of social reality. The fear of "cultural marxism" comes from the existence of the Frankfurt School, who mostly departed from revolutionary marxism and devised schemes to somehow bring about communism through taking over academia and the media and culturally preparing the world for communism. The problem with this view is that leaves out the self-activity of the working class as the source of socialism and socialist consciousness. The thing is, any kind of cultural radicalism can easily be absorbed by capital and sold as a commodity, as we saw in the 60's. -------------
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 11:51
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Also just to clarify i'm not a communist of the stalinist (or even Leninist variety). My main influences are Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Pannekoek, Bordiga, and some of the most class struggle oriented anarchists. I don't agree with Lenin's conception of the party and how socialism is tol be brought about. -------------
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 15:15
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For fans of Communism , I suggest Anne Applebaum's masterful "Iron Curtain, the crushing of Eastern Europe" as a must read. One of the best and fairest books ever written on the subject. Clear, detailed and apolitical, just like a good historical book should be..... ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 15:20
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Sounds like an interesting read. Workers in the Eastern Bloc who resisted against Stalinism are heroes in my opinion. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 17:46
Been reading the libertarian thread? Not to be mean but you are very mistaken. Been at this place for 6 years, and have always been involved in political debates. PA is largely left wing. In fact I'd say near unanimous. Few if any communists but to say a large amount of libertarians? More like 15 man  Also libertarian =/= right wing (who's the one eating propaganda?) but that's for a different thread! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 17:48
Marxists sometimes sees politics in terms of Marx's theory of historical materialism, so it's natural that libertarians would be called right-wing.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 17:56
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I have the ability to not ruin every thread with politics so that's was that. I just don't know any flat out communist prog bands, not that I care. Long as I like the music I don't care what they believe really. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 18:05
Yep. I don't even notice what words they're saying some of the time. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 18:08
Oh yeah don't even start me on the vocals vs lyrics debate. I rage deeply when I hear "yeah music is just a vehicle to carry the words"  |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 18:49
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But JJ, the words are the most important part!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:05
LOLZ And hey, good lyrics are always a + to any song, but the music is what counts. Also regardless of genre, lyrics always suck |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:07
What do you think of the lyrics to Golf Girl? -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:10
Dude, I can happily say I have no idea what that is Can't be better than this! Truly the lyricists of our generation Though I do suspect it's a gag... |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:12
| Also I have been told they^ are card carrying members of the Communist Party |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:13
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6154&KW=political+compass" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6154&KW=political+compass Old thread (maybe you remember it?), but this can give you an idea of how red this place was long time ago. P.S. Im more red now. Many things has happened to me in the last 6 years. ------------- 
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:15
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Many Americans claim that anyone who is not a Tea Party Republican is by definition a Communist. Then again, these folks claim that Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism and Totalitarianism are all synonymous. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:53
And you call yourself a prog fan. Suffice it to say that the lyrics are terrible, despite what Snow Dog and others would have you believe. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 19:56
Well, when it comes to prog and life really I almost always hate everything Snow Dog says Love Beach wins all anyway |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 14:57
Then again, teabaggers are moron tools of the Koch Roaches...  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 15:24
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The first thing we need to do is stopping this b*t of "right = liberal = employers" and "left = socialist = employees".
This cliche thinking is causing much harm to modern society, it may have have some sense in the early 20th century but we should be past it by now.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 15:41
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If that's the way things work in Belgium we have a quite different dynamic going in the US...
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 15:53
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I won't say that there a lot of prog fans which are from the right wing. I would rather say that prog fans happening to have right wing opinions are more likely to brag about it. For my part, being French (1789, 1848, 1871, 1936, 1981, you see, the kind of things...) and having read or heard about some this Eurocommunist thing from the Italian Communist Party, I can say I have voted for the French Communist Party on several occasions without remorse. That said, it doesn't mean that I have read the whole works of Marx and Engels (Rosa Luxembourg spotted some mathematical errors in Marx theories) and, above all, I would never sympathise with the politics of the USSR (not even Trostky!), the former Warsaw Pact regimes, China, North Korea or Kampuchea. And now, let's all celebrate Tito for allowing the Yugoslavian kids to play Rock'n'Roll music even if he send political opponents on the Goli Otok island.  |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 15:56
| I'm an employee myself, but I have learnt to be more than wary about those cliches. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:09
As a red-blooded American, I'm contractually obligated to hate the French, but I love Victor Hugo, Baudelaire, Hector Berlioz and Erik Satie. So respect there. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:25
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Stalin wasn't stallin' when he told the beast of Berlin that they'd never rest contented till they had driven him from the land So he called the Yanks and English and proceeded to extinguish the Fuhrer and its vermin this is how it all began Now, the Devil, he was reading in the Good Book one day how that Lord created Adam to walk the righteous way and it made the Devil jealous he turned green up to his horns and he swore by things unholy and he made one of his own So he packed two suitcases full of greed and misery and he caught the Midnight Special going down to Germany then he mixed his lies and hatred with fire and brimstone then the Devil sat upon it that's how Adolf was born Now Adolf got the notion that he was the master race and he swore he'd bring New Order and put mankind in its place ! So he set a scheme in motion and was winning everywhere until he up and got the notion for to kick that Russian bear Stalin wasn't stallin' when he told the Beast of Berlin that they'd never rest contented till they had driven him from the land So he called the Yanks and English and proceeded to extinguish the Fuhrer and its vermin this is how it all began ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:28
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WWII Death Count Per Country: Country Military Civilian Total USSR 12 million 17 million 29 million Poland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 million Germany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 million Yugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 million Romania 450,000 465,000 915,000 Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000 France 245,000 350,000 595,000 Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000 Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000 United States 407,000 6,000 413,000 ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:43
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:50
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Some people say you are out of touch. Really right = liberal = employers and left = socialist = employees, that makes no sense except to the delusional. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:50
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I am a liberal with leftist sympathies, but i detest communism "where some people are more equal than others" I guess you could call me a democratic socialist. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:52
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What about our plutocracy, where some people are more equal than other? I ID with democratic socialist. Capitalism is a good system when it is well regulated. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 16:57
| Yeah, that type of inequality exists not only in cases of communism in practice |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:03
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:11
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I kind of figured you would not get it.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:12
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:14
I think it is to demonstrate how much better at war the US is than every other country. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:31
2. But no. I don't think so. You just rarely can post anything in your own words so sometimes out of all the millions of quotes and copy-paste paragraphs you post, one has to be a little vague. -------------
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:42
| Between the last two posts that is a lot of dead guys. Is it the 1903 New York Yankees? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:43
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Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:00
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Red Alert! Red Aleeeerrrt! -Rush
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:15
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I know that reason and point eludes you T. So you attack the facts, it wouldn't matter if I did the cut and paste or had the figures committed to memory. If you post bullcrap in your own words as you claim them to be to be it really doesn't matter. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:22
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The point is that we only lost a few of our people in that bloody war and many others lost so many more. If you don't appreciate the magnitude of that and belittle that, shame on you.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:29
Okay, but why is that a point that needs to be made. Who is diminishing the loss of life in WWII? I haven't heard anyone do so. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:31
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: December 13 2012 at 03:42
They certainly take every opportunity they can for additional practice.  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 13 2012 at 05:50
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Oh, no, not that sh*t again. Please, guys, I come from another forum where relations had been tense for a few days tbecause of a forumite taking the defense of a historian who seems to be very fond of Stalin and the USSR... And I would enjoy not to have to witness another senseless debate of this type. I'm baffled to see that some people interested in the theories of Marx and his followers (faithful disciples or skeptic critics) always feel the need to remember that the USSR was part of the Allies and enemy of the Third Reich. Okay, Stalingrad was the turning point of WWII, okay, we got that part for a loooong time. And USSR was a totalitarian system, we also got that part, thanks. But, now, could we stop masturbating over casualties, death tolls and which regime or economical system had called more people? For what I remember, it seems to me that the original poster just wanted to know if some prog fans happened to be communist sympathizers, not if some prog fans had an erection in front of the uniforms of the Red Army! Can't people read Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Simone Weil or Gramsci without feeling the urge to kiss a picture of Trotsky, Lenin or Mao Zedong??? Gosh, I feel like center extremist. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 13 2012 at 17:07
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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 12:05
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My heart’s with communism; my brain is not. It’s a sad fact that communism has never worked for the benefit of the people. The revolution devours its children, and when they are (b)eaten, it starts to hunt the grandchildren.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 13:47
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So your heart is out for capitalism then? Capitalism has never worked for the benefit of the people who weren't born into wealthy families... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 13:59
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Capitalism has raised millions out of poverty and has improved the standards of living of millions.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:09
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I think both (communism and unregulated capitalism) are extremes that hurt everyone but the rich and powerful. Well-regulated capitalism with a significant social safety net is the best way to go, at least until I can get that karma-based economy thing to catch on.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:09
Enjoy your spoiled little rich kid life T. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:15
Really? So, no one who wasn't born with a silver spoon etc, has ever made something of their lives? No one ever started their own business from nothing?? Could they have done that under communism?? I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism but it is evidently a better system than communism. Michael Moore, one of the most vocal critics of capitalism has made a personal fortune in the region of $100m on the back of the system he claims to hate so much. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:20
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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:22
Was this meant for me? I don’t believe in capitalism, but it doesn’t work the way you put it. You don’t have to be born into a wealthy family to become a tycoon (though it might help). But in essence capitalism means that a few people benefit a lot from the work of many. That doesn’t fit with my idea of justice. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 16:33
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:59
"Third world country" eh, your from Ecuador, so is my brother-in-law, born and raised middle class, so your negative stereotypes about Ecuador won't fly. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:21
I lived 24 years in Ecuador. I, not a relative of a relative, so you teaching me about my country or accusing me of stereotyping (which I even wasn't doing anyway) won't fly. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:29
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It's sad that living a life of poverty has taught you so little.. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:30
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OK Theodore, tell me about your impoverished "third world" upbringing.
You know how to make a pair of sandals out of discarded tires, know how to get by on a bowl of rice a day? It must have been tough. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:30
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It's sad that an even longer life of poverty has made you so bitter immature and prejudiced. -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:32
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Please, Teo, don't buy into their narrative that you have to be poor to have feelings.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:33
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My life so far has led me to empathy which is a better place than you will ever get to you spoiled little rich kid. .. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:35
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Why do you think I have no empathy? Why do you think I'm spoiled? Why do you think I'm little? Why do you think I'm rich? Why do you think I'm a kid?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:36
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I'm sure you are totally happy T with people being tortured to death and/or being thrown out of helicopters into the sea. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:38
OK you are an old ahole, what was your point again? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:40
I don't really think I was making a point. I was a little puzzled by your sudden, unprovoked name calling, but I guess it's all that I can really expect from you. -------------
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:40
| Jesus H. Christ, where did all this hatred come from? Does everything have to be belligerent politic? I know how you feel when it comes to poverty, T. I was born in the USA and have never left it (this is not a patriotic statement). We're a four-person family that takes in less than $13,000 a year. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:50
I'll quit it when you stop beaning a pppooy head. :) ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:51
Yet you have central heating and water service... They won't be satisfied until you live in abject poverty. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:55
25,000 eh, maybe if you worked harder you would make more money, that's my advice, you need to work harder. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:59
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Slarti, please, take your medications.
Easy Money (Js), since it is obvious you didn't understand why I mentioned I come from Ecuador, let me explain: Slarti here called me spoiled little rich kid (the only thing he can say, normally he uses pics and captions and cartoons like a true adult), without knowing where I come from or whether I am actually rich or not. I come from Ecuador, a third world country. There was a big chance I could have been poorer than what Slarti knows as poor. Besides from that, I actually am poor, making less than Slarti and only starting to improve thanks to hard work and responsibility (nothing Slarti ever recommends). Yet he called me spoiled little rich kid. I was not using my country as a stereotype. Believe me, I love it way more than you. It is where all my roots come from and where I lived since I was born until I migrated. There is nothing to discuss with you really, Easy Money. -------------
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:59
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I do have central heat and water service. I've got the internet and I've got several things others don't. My son has privileges many children do not. But you could argue this forever. Those children that live in low income families? They're lucky! At least they have homes and food. The children with no homes or food are lucky! At least they aren't being bombed by a governmental body. Those children bombed in foreign countries? They're lucky! At least they aren't being tortured first! Those children being tortured and bombed in foreign countries? They're lucky! At least they aren't being tortured for longer periods of time and with more vicious cruelty.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:00
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:01
Hey, some old rich dude could use that extra 13,000 that your family is taking from him, in order to buy a fifth mansion or a third jet or just hoard away somewhere in the Caymans. Tighten the belt, papa CEO needs a brand new Jag. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |