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Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:32
I wasn't attempting to compete with anybody. Everyone I've known in my life, rich or poor, has suffered in some measure. I've little money compared to many, but I'm neither proud nor ashamed. How about a joke I just made up?
What did Adolph Hitler say to the alchemist when he was offered a romance tincture?
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:32
Epignosis wrote:
js (Easy Money) wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
js (Easy Money) wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">What exactly are "poverty credentials?" Can someone point me to a list? Because we've been f**king poor in our time. But if I've been kidding myself that raising a family of four on $25 a week for food, being robbed the same year, <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">and pawning my instruments to pay the utility bill is doing swell, let me know.
Ask Theodore, apparently involves a "third world" upbringing and a retail job, maybe there is more .
No thanks. I'm asking you.
Sorry, Theodore is the expert on that, I've worked my ass off to achieve lower middle class and I am proud of it.
Someone said "your poverty credentials are bullsh*t."I want to know what these credentials are. John?Either you have the list of credentials, or your comment was bullsh*t. Which was it?
You'll have to ask Theodore, he has listed his "state of being that entitles him to certain knowledge" in another post.
Edited by js (Easy Money) - December 14 2012 at 20:32
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">What exactly are "poverty credentials?" Can someone point me to a list? Because we've been f**king poor in our time. But if I've been kidding myself that raising a family of four on $25 a week for food, being robbed the same year, <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">and pawning my instruments to pay the utility bill is doing swell, let me know.
Ask Theodore, apparently involves a "third world" upbringing and a retail job, maybe there is more .
No thanks. I'm asking you.
Sorry, Theodore is the expert on that, I've worked my ass off to achieve lower middle class and I am proud of it.
Someone said "your poverty credentials are bullsh*t."I want to know what these credentials are. John?Either you have the list of credentials, or your comment was bullsh*t. Which was it?
You'll have to ask Theodore, he has listed his "state of being that entitles him to certain knowledge" in another post.
And you judged his position by saying his "poverty credentials [are] pure bullsh*t."
That means you know what qualifies someone as being in poverty.
If you cannot answer that, then your remark was, well, bullsh*t.
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Posted: December 15 2012 at 03:31
Admin note:
Discussions such as this are far more constructive if personal battles are avoided. The topic is an emotive one anyway, please do not be distracted by the urge to make personal judgements about others who contribute.
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Posted: December 15 2012 at 05:19
Easy Livin wrote:
Admin note:
Discussions such as this are far more constructive if personal battles are avoided. The topic is an emotive one anyway, please do not be distracted by the urge to make personal judgements about others who contribute.
Oh no, you did not just write that. I'm gonna have to kick your butt.
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Posted: December 15 2012 at 06:38
The Wizard wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be a lot of right-wing prog fans out there (must be due to Rush's Ayn Rand worship). This kind sucks for me because i've always been a fan of Karl Marx, Engels and the struggle of the working class to abolish itself. Robert Wyatt from the Soft Machine and Matching Mole is still an avowed communist to this day which makes me hopeful that i'm not the only communist prog fan out there.
Not a communist, because I believe in being allowed to make my own choices as long as they are within the law, in spirit and not just in letter (as in, no tax evasion arrangements and all that). But I find the writings of Stiglitz or Krugman on economic issues resonate more with me than Reaganomics, as it is called. As inefficient as govt and public services are, you can't wish it away. It is in the capitalist's own interest to keep the flock happy and satisfied to some degree (too happy and they might get complacent and shirk work).
EDIT: And by the way I don't mind if somebody is commie, atheist, religious, capitalist, left, right or centre, what have you. I have scant regard for ideology in any case so I could hardly care less about it.
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 09:14
The Wizard wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be a lot of right-wing prog fans out there (must be due to Rush's Ayn Rand worship). This kind sucks for me because i've always been a fan of Karl Marx, Engels and the struggle of the working class to abolish itself. Robert Wyatt from the Soft Machine and Matching Mole is still an avowed communist to this day which makes me hopeful that i'm not the only communist prog fan out there.
Go and live in Cuba, and you will tell us how life compares to your current life in a country that is respectful of individual liberties.
Or maybe you should create a time machine and spend some time in the gulags.
Seriously, I can't believe there are still people in 2012 too naive to think that communism is a viable doctrine.
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 09:33
Doing the comparison games that some people like to do, communism dwarfs fascism in the number of dead bodies they generated around the world. Both are very similar. Both are nefarious. Yet one has a semi-coherent set of ideas behind it, defended in millions of books by intellectuals of dubious moral quality; the other was just a spur of the moment thing where opportunists grabbed power and (curiously) turned socialism into a slightly different beast. Ideologues will not see how ridiculous it is to defend one while vilifying the other when they are both so similar and so nefarious in their results.
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 18:42
Slartibartfast wrote:
What about our plutocracy, where some people are more equal than other? I ID with democratic socialist. Capitalism is a good system when it is well regulated.
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Posted: December 17 2012 at 13:57
lucas wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
I noticed that there seems to be a lot of right-wing prog fans out there (must be due to Rush's Ayn Rand worship). This kind sucks for me because i've always been a fan of Karl Marx, Engels and the struggle of the working class to abolish itself. Robert Wyatt from the Soft Machine and Matching Mole is still an avowed communist to this day which makes me hopeful that i'm not the only communist prog fan out there.
Go and live in Cuba, and you will tell us how life compares to your current life in a country that is respectful of individual liberties.
Or maybe you should create a time machine and spend some time in the gulags.
Seriously, I can't believe there are still people in 2012 too naive to think that communism is a viable doctrine.
Cuba is a capitalist country. The market system and private property are still in effect. State ownership and central planning are still a form private property, even more centralized that under liberal capitalism. The Gulags played a similar role in the Soviet Economy to the European colonies in kickstarting the accumulation of capital to transition from feudalism to capitalism.
Many "marxist" claim that the Soviet Union was a new type of society that was beyond Marxian analysis. This statement is pure opportunism on their part because they want to preserve the myth that the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, China, Albania, Yugoslavia, ect... were/are "real socialism".
A serious conversation on Marx and the communist movement needs to move beyond this kind of rhetoric and seriously evaluate the nature of experiments in "socialism in one country".
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