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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:14
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

WWII Death Count Per Country:Country Military Civilian TotalUSSR 12 million 17 million 29 millionPoland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 millionGermany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 millionYugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 millionRomania 450,000 465,000 915,000Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000France 245,000 350,000 595,000Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000United States 407,000 6,000 413,000

what is this here for?


I think it is to demonstrate how much better at war the US is than every other country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I kind of figured you would not get it.

1. If your whole idea is to put posts that you already know the people you want to argue with will not "get", you're quite the pedantic scared-of-opposing arguments "debater".

2. But no. I don't think so. You just rarely can post anything in your own words so sometimes out of all the millions of quotes and copy-paste paragraphs you post, one has to be a little vague.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:42
Between the last two posts that is a lot of dead guys. Is it the 1903 New York Yankees?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 17:43
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

WWII Death Count Per Country:Country Military Civilian TotalUSSR 12 million 17 million 29 millionPoland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 millionGermany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 millionYugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 millionRomania 450,000 465,000 915,000Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000France 245,000 350,000 595,000Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000United States 407,000 6,000 413,000

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I think it is to demonstrate how much better at war the US is than every other country.
For some reason he probably thinks the quite enormous civilian death toll in the UsSR in WwII proves a point...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:15
I know that reason and point eludes you T.  So you attack the facts, it wouldn't matter if I did the cut and paste or had the figures committed to memory.  If you post bullcrap in your own words as you claim them to be to be it really doesn't matter.



Edited by Slartibartfast - December 12 2012 at 19:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:22
The point is that we only lost a few of our people in that bloody war and many others lost so many more.  If you don't appreciate the magnitude of that and belittle that, shame on you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:29
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

The point is that we only lost a few of our people in that bloody war and many others lost so many more.  If you don't appreciate the magnitude of that and belittle that, shame on you.


Okay, but why is that a point that needs to be made. Who is diminishing the loss of life in WWII? I haven't heard anyone do so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

The point is that we only lost a few of our people in that bloody war and many others lost so many more.  If you don't appreciate the magnitude of that and belittle that, shame on you.

That is not even a point. That is a fact. But it has zero relevance here. Zero.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 03:42
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

WWII Death Count Per Country:Country Military Civilian TotalUSSR 12 million 17 million 29 millionPoland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 millionGermany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 millionYugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 millionRomania 450,000 465,000 915,000Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000France 245,000 350,000 595,000Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000United States 407,000 6,000 413,000

what is this here for?


I think it is to demonstrate how much better at war the US is than every other country.

They certainly take every opportunity they can for additional practice. TongueWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 05:50
Oh, no, not that sh*t again.

Please, guys, I come from another forum where relations had been tense for a few days tbecause of a forumite taking the defense of a historian who seems to be very fond of Stalin and the USSR... And I would enjoy not to have to witness another senseless debate of this type.

I'm baffled to see that some people interested in the theories of Marx and his followers (faithful disciples or skeptic critics) always feel the need to remember that the USSR was part of the Allies and enemy of the Third Reich.
Okay, Stalingrad was the turning point of WWII, okay, we got that part for a loooong time. And USSR was a totalitarian system, we also got that part, thanks.

But, now, could we stop masturbating over casualties, death tolls and which regime or economical system had called more people?
For what I remember, it seems to me that the original poster just wanted to know if some prog fans happened to be communist sympathizers, not if some prog fans had an erection in front of the uniforms of the Red Army!
Can't people read Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Simone Weil or Gramsci without feeling the urge to kiss a picture of Trotsky, Lenin or Mao Zedong???

Gosh, I feel like center extremist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 17:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 12:05
My heart’s with communism; my brain is not. It’s a sad fact that communism has never worked for the benefit of the people. The revolution devours its children, and when they are (b)eaten, it starts to hunt the grandchildren.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 13:47
So your heart is out for capitalism then?  Capitalism has never worked for the benefit of the people who weren't born into wealthy families...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 13:59
Capitalism has raised millions out of poverty and has improved the standards of living of millions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:09
I think both (communism and unregulated capitalism) are extremes that hurt everyone but the rich and powerful.  Well-regulated capitalism with a significant social safety net is the best way to go, at least until I can get that karma-based economy thing to catch on. 

Edited by The Doctor - December 14 2012 at 14:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:09
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Capitalism has raised millions out of poverty and has improved the standards of living of millions.

As long as you are born into the right family...
Enjoy your spoiled little rich kid life T.


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 14 2012 at 14:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:15
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

So your heart is out for capitalism then?  Capitalism has never worked for the benefit of the people who weren't born into wealthy families... 



Really? So, no one who wasn't born with a silver spoon etc, has ever made something of their lives? No one ever started their own business from nothing?? Could they have done that under communism?? I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism but it is evidently a better system than communism.

Michael Moore, one of the most vocal critics of capitalism has made a personal fortune in the region of $100m on the back of the system he claims to hate so much.

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:20
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Capitalism has raised millions out of poverty and has improved the standards of living of millions.

As long as you are born into the right family...Enjoy your spoiled little rich kid life T.
Sad person full of hate and ignorance you are. I come from a third world country and make less than 25000 a year yes I'm so rich. You have no idea about my background yet you are the first to make prejudgements about people. Poor prejudiced man. You deserve pity.

Edited by The T - December 14 2012 at 14:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:22
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

So your heart is out for capitalism then?  Capitalism has never worked for the benefit of the people who weren't born into wealthy families...
 


Was this meant for me? I don’t believe in capitalism, but it doesn’t work the way you put it. You don’t have to be born into a wealthy family to become a tycoon (though it might help). But in essence capitalism means that a few people benefit a lot from the work of many. That doesn’t fit with my idea of justice.
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