thoughts on the Holocaust

Ironically, with the dawn of "Civilization" came war and large scale atrocities

         I think i will change that to the dawn of "Uncivilization"

         the big challenge-civilization without violence


Edited by presdoug - January 18 2012 at 22:43

^Please shut up Slarti because SS Obersturmfuhrer Gamemako might be listening and would gladly put all libertarians in Treblinka II... 

Holocaust survivors challenge us to remember (EDIT: Spam links removed by DX)

Edited by DamoXt7942 - October 15 2012 at 22:49

While living in Poland, I had the opportunity to visit Auschwitz/Birkenau.  There was just a sense there of overpowering dread and despair even all these years after.  And the stories told about how they lived and died there is heartbreaking to say the least.  A horrendous time in human history, one that I hope will never be repeated, but, knowing us humans, it's hard to say for sure.  I've heard some here in the states talk about how liberals should be put into camps and/or gased.  Usually in the same sentence in which they call us the Nazis.  

Stalin's regime sure did some terrible things, too. All, ironically, "in the name of the people" He murdered millions of Russian peasants in cold blood.

presdoug wrote: Stalin's regime sure did some terrible things, too. All, ironically, "in the name of the people" He murdered millions of Russian peasants in cold blood.

Not so long before the time the Allies suddeny started calling Stalin "Uncle Joe", and before WWII, Hitler had yet to have killed more than a few hundred people, mostly in cocentration camps. Stalin already had killed millions in people in the gulags and in famines like the one in Ukraine. Stalin dwarfs everybody including Hitler in number of bodies left behind. He is by far the worst mass murderer in history, worse than Hitler, Mao, and even Pol Pot (though this last one really takes the cake in percentage of the population killed). Yet nowadays it's quite applauded by some people (some who have just posted on this thread) when other people use the hammer and the sickle as a sign of anything good. The hammer and the sickle should be seen under the same light as the swastika. And its patron saint Stalin (with Lenin and Mao) in the same light ad Hitler and Mussolini.

I am glad this thread has been revived. Now we can all say offensive things and hate each other again. 

@Rob...It was already politicized before I got here.  See Teo's comment a couple above mine. 

@Teo...I know you are not referring to me.  Although it seems as if you may be.  Just because I'm a progressive liberal and a European Style Socialist, and a great fan of the likes of FDR, when have I ever said anything positive about Stalin?  Or Mao?  Or Pol Pot for that matter?  I can tell you when.  Never.  Now, Robespierre on the other hand...

^A thread about the Holocaust won't need much to be turned political. I'm not surprised nor appalled.

I'm appalled about liking Robespierre though...

The T wrote: ^A thread about the Holocaust won't need much to be turned political. I'm not surprised nor appalled. I'm appalled about liking Robespierre though...

I can't say I have much love for the French Revolution, although I can certainly understand a desire to get rid of the monarchy.

I like Victor Hugo's novel Ninety-Three on the subject. Although he clearly sympathizes with the republicans, he tries to present a fair and balanced view and shows that both sides were kind of stupid. He is a great writer.

By the way, this thread is now about the French Revolution.