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smartpatrol
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Topic: WWI or WWII Posted: August 11 2012 at 03:43 |
Which of these two world wars is more interesting to you.
I picked the third option. I would've been WWII if not for my intense fascination with Trench Warfare.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 04:07 |
I'm from the Netherlands, which were neutral during WW1. I learned almost nothing about this World War. But on WW2 we learned a lot. On school and at home.
For my job I went to live in Belgium, and I lived close to Ypres and the area of WW1, where there are lots of graveyards of WW1. Since then I became also interested in this war. There are still a lot of landmines of WW1 being found in the ground of local farmers, which is amazing. There are museums where you can sit in a trench, and here the sounds and even smell what people were smelling during WW1.
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clarke2001
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 06:15 |
You're young and you're sitting in a trench. It's 1915. You're mildly upset, but not particularly afraid; you hope everything is going to end well, and you're thinking about your young pretty wife waiting for you in some corner of Europe.
You have no clue about a warfare. You overheard rumours about some modern technology; but all you know are battles in classical sense, guns and muskets, cavalry, even swords.
Then you hear sounds that humanity never heard before: a monstrous swarm of roars and explosions. Airplanes and zeppelins are attacking from the air. There's nowhere to hide. Cannons are shooting cannonballs the size of a house, literally destroying the entire landscapes. You can't hide, you can just run aimlessly and hope for the best. Then a new pack of strange creatures arrived from the fog, squealing. What is this? It looks like a ship with caterpillars. And it's faster than a walking soldier, it has a cannon and a machine gun.
Finally, they drop a nerve gas on you. You are lying in dirt, dying. While you're still spazzing, monsters from the nightmares are arriving through the fog and the smoke. They have no faces. They wear gas masks, and they're here to finish you.
They are carrying something else you never saw before. The flame throwers.
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 06:24 |
Nice Moris.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 06:37 |
clarke2001 wrote:
You're young and you're sitting in a trench. It's 1915. You're mildly upset, but not particularly afraid; you hope everything is going to end well, and you're thinking about your young pretty wife waiting for you in some corner of Europe.
You have no clue about a warfare. You overheard rumours about some modern technology; but all you know are battles in classical sense, guns and muskets, cavalry, even swords.
Then you hear sounds that humanity never heard before: a monstrous swarm of roars and explosions. Airplanes and zeppelins are attacking from the air. There's nowhere to hide. Cannons are shooting cannonballs the size of a house, literally destroying the entire landscapes. You can't hide, you can just run aimlessly and hope for the best. Then a new pack of strange creatures arrived from the fog, squealing. What is this? It looks like a ship with caterpillars. And it's faster than a walking soldier, it has a cannon and a machine gun.
Finally, they drop a nerve gas on you. You are lying in dirt, dying. While you're still spazzing, monsters from the nightmares are arriving through the fog and the smoke. They have no faces. They wear gas masks, and they're here to finish you.
They are carrying something else you never saw before. The flame throwers.
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The T
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 11:27 |
I've read so much about the Third Reich and WWII but I started late with WWI. Both fascinating subjects, both inseparable. WWII only happened because there was a WWI. One can't be properly understood without the other. Both are totally fascinating subjects for me.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 11:43 |
From an American perspective, World War II is taught much more vigorously in schools, and World War I seems mostly a European conflict, even more so than could be said of World War II. From a warfare perspective, WWII seems more interesting, if that's the right word. Sea battles, desert battles, resistance, in depth strategies. What irritates me about WWI is the ridiculous amount of mindless killing over a few hundred yards in the trenches. And rushing machine guns? I just don't get it.
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CPicard
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 14:02 |
WWI is interesting for it was the true first industrial war. But, as a former student in history, I've worked more on WWII than WWI.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 14:09 |
smartpatrol wrote:
clarke2001 wrote:
You're young and you're sitting in a trench. It's 1915. You're mildly upset, but not particularly afraid; you hope everything is going to end well, and you're thinking about your young pretty wife waiting for you in some corner of Europe.
You have no clue about a warfare. You overheard rumours about some modern technology; but all you know are battles in classical sense, guns and muskets, cavalry, even swords.
Then you hear sounds that humanity never heard before: a monstrous swarm of roars and explosions. Airplanes and zeppelins are attacking from the air. There's nowhere to hide. Cannons are shooting cannonballs the size of a house, literally destroying the entire landscapes. You can't hide, you can just run aimlessly and hope for the best. Then a new pack of strange creatures arrived from the fog, squealing. What is this? It looks like a ship with caterpillars. And it's faster than a walking soldier, it has a cannon and a machine gun.
Finally, they drop a nerve gas on you. You are lying in dirt, dying. While you're still spazzing, monsters from the nightmares are arriving through the fog and the smoke. They have no faces. They wear gas masks, and they're here to finish you.
They are carrying something else you never saw before. The flame throwers.
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all I can say is thank you
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Yes, a very good post. It must have been something like that. Lots of them having no clue of whatever was going to happen, what they were about to experience. Not even particularly afraid, no, probably not. Maybe seeing even some kind of adventure in it? At the start of it at least.
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dwill123
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 17:17 |
WWII, first you had a man who but for a few bad decisions
came close to dominating most of Europe and possibly Russia too. This same man modernized warfare to where we
still use some of the same tactics today, ballistic missiles just to name one.
Mind control to the point where millions of people were exterminated and none
but an insignificant few within his own ranks attempted to stop him. And much, much, more. It's WWII for me.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 17:36 |
WWII but WWI is certainly interesting as well.
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 23:00 |
Moogtron III wrote:
...There are museums where you can sit in a trench, and here the sounds and even smell what people were smelling during WW1.
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Sooooo, chlorine?
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 23:03 |
WWII, if only because I know more about it.
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Eria Tarka
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 00:04 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
WWII, if only because I know more about it.
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CCVP
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 20:34 |
WW 1, because of the sheer brutality of battle and restlessness of the war machine. WW 2 was more political than anything, wile the first was driven by pure sense of mutual annihilation.
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The T
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 22:59 |
^Oh yes there wasn't a sense of mutual anihilation in WWII, especially in the east.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 23:28 |
/\ Yes, but there was much more politics in WWII that WWI
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The T
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 23:42 |
What the hell does that even mean? WWI was, if anything, only fought because of stupid politics and foreign policy alliances and pacts of bygone eras. Yes, there were no communists or fascists yet but there were people fighting for power and that is politics. What you might be trying to say is that WWII was much more ideological or something like that.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 23:53 |
/\ Thank you, that is exactly what I mean
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 13 2012 at 00:01 |
From what schools tell us, both wars could have been avoided entirely.
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