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The T
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 22:56 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Here's the whole thing when it comes to Liberal v. Conservative. I wasn't born into really poor family. I wasn't born into a really wealthy family. But at least I have empathy for the least fortunate amongst us. I am totally not getting this from people who identify themselves with conservative or libertarian. Rmoney is the embodiment of that.
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What have you done for others Slarti (other than taking the easy way out and paying and supporting taxes)?
"Empathy" is the new stupid sacred word of liberals. They think having "empathy" is a substitute for action. For real action.
Your head is as thick as a brick. You have never managed to get into it the notion that most of the people here that you brand as the spoiled rich conservatives come from quite diffirent backgrounds. Even from other countries, countries where what you in your comfy liberal bed call "poor" would be considered wealthy.
Most liberals like you can afford to be so high minded and let others do the job. I'm quite sure most of the people you hate (because you DO hate) are just as poor or poorer than the typical welfare recipient that you want to take care of from cradle to grave with other people's money (not yours of course).
Anyway, at least in this website, it's quite clear from years of being here that the most intelligent people tend to be on the side you usually don't support. Others like you can afford to act like pre-teens, seeing everything black or white, and agreeing with all the popular notions, and seem "enlightened". Oh yes, it takes courage and intelligence to try and understand and oppose things like minimum wages or cradle-to-grave welfare. It's much easier and friend-making to say "social justice"! "minimum wage has to be raised!", "we need a safety net!" than saying the opposite. It doesn't really take much intelligence to repeat those ideas. A trained monkey can. But to try and understand things and read and study and see for yourself why certain things would probably be better FOR EVERYBODY if done in a different way takes work, not the lazy self-gratifying ease of just always siding with what sounds popular and humane, even if it actually is not.
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refugee
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 07:14 |
Voted "no" though I consider myself a liberal. I know too many intelligent "conservatives" (though my conservative friends would probably be considered quite liberal by American standards). And where do we put Arnold?
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
(Peter Hammill)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:05 |
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Dude I'm not going to say anything about those remarks. You are making my point.
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:08 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
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Dude I'm not going to say anything about those remarks. You are making my point.
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How? Explain, explain something once.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:11 |
For caring so much about poor people, he refuses to criticize a president that bombs a lot of them.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:17 |
I would like to know if there's anybody here who can actually say "im a liberal" or "I'm a conservative" and say they agree with 100% of the tenets of that... ideology? There's no tenets and no 100% because the terms are so loosely defined and people can (yes, incredibly, they can Slart) agree with some ideas usually painted as belonging to one group and also with another set of ideas usually depicted as belonging to another group. This entire "us vs them" mentality is so negative but quite good for those above. Those whom Slart doesn't like, in theory.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 10:40 |
Tapfret wrote:
The poll does not include an option for those of us not stupid enough to be pigeon-holed. A proper application of ethics requires consideration from both points of view. Thus the bifurcation of politics along these lines is inherently flawed and only serves to divide and conquer for the benefit of the ruling class. And I question the intelligence of anybody who feels that either political perspective is in any way represented by those within the U.S. government. |
I'm with this guy and voted no in the poll.
Just a few years ago (when I was more like that comfy liberal The T describes) I would have voted yes.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 10:52 |
I honestly can't explain why some people born into privilege have a pathological hatred for those that weren't. Lord I was born a ramblin' man.
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 31 2012 at 11:08
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:19 |
What privilege Slarti what privilege? Explain how do you know that I or other conservatives were "born in privilege"! Explain! I understand you are full of resentment about people born in privilege (the entire thing warrants another discussion) but that doesn't constitute evidence as to why you think all people that don't think like you were born that way.
And, again, being "born in privilege" doesn't necessarily make you a specific type of person just as much as being born in poverty doesn't necessarily make you a thief or a bum.
By the way, most of your enlightened "liberals" are college students. Don;t you think most of them were born in privilege? It's easy to be so generous with other people's money and devote so much time to "deep thinking" when it is Daddy who paid for your entire education.
Edited by The T - July 31 2012 at 11:21
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:26 |
So you want to argue spectrum? I'd just like for people who were fortunate to be born into a wealthy family to have a little sympathy for those weren't. Again, I don't see much of that. It's hard to pull yourself by your bootstraps when you don't have them.
On a side note, what's on the ballot for you today in the fla?
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 31 2012 at 11:29
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:34 |
I can agree with that but not with painting all people who fit one characteristic with the same brush in every other aspect. I'm sure many people born in privilege are heartless b*****ds but many are not. The same: many people born in poverty are probably heartless resentful b*****ds but many are not.
FL elections are a fail. Nobody knows what one's voting for.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:36 |
Welcome to US democracy.
We have this T-Spooge thing going on. I just don't think it's worth
while to dump a bunch of money through a 1% sales tax into a bunch of
well connected people. Yeah, it's going to fix everything, or so the TV
ads say. They told us the GA 400 toll was going to end once it paid
for the construction. They lied.
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 31 2012 at 11:41
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:40 |
Once there is a toll or tax for anything, it's never going away.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:42 |
We used to have a window tax. I think they got rid of that.
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Help me I'm falling!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:47 |
I'm not inherently opposed to taxes as long as they applied for the common good.
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:50 |
The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 11:55 |
thellama73 wrote:
If you're not forcibly taking money from people, you must have a heart of ice!
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Now, I feel empathy for robbers.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:02 |
The T wrote:
The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly. |
Try plutocracy and you have it right for the state of Georgia.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:08 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The T wrote:
The common good of the bureaucracy in many instances, sadly. |
Try plutocracy and you have it right for the state of Georgia.
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I didn't know you were following news from the Caucasian countries.
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2012 at 12:10 |
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