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BassoonAng
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 01:12 |
I'd tend to define myself as a libertarian, though I abstain from voting because I don't have the patience nor interest to inform myself. I'm not sure which one of these utterly weak candidates will shell out the best future for me, but I will not have a blindly-thrown ballot on my conscience.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 12:50 |
In France, these last 5 years, we had several living proofs that the French conservative politicians are, indeed, less intelligent than the French liberal/progressive politicians.
But I'm not sure it could apply to the voting citizens.
Yet, thinking about it and having in mind some "incidents", I'm re-considering that opinion...
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thellama73
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:06 |
What I find telling is the lack of imagination or empathy involved in reasoning that the only reason someone could disagree with you politically is due to a deficient brain.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:16 |
thellama73 wrote:
What I find telling is the lack of imagination or empathy involved in reasoning that the only reason someone could disagree with you politically is due to a deficient brain.
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But it's the only logical explanation!
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:18 |
Some methodological issues:
1) Biased definitions 2) Use of I.Q. as a metric for intelligence. The study shows nothing about intelligence. It shows a correlation with I.Q. 3) Lack of any attempt to control for confounding variables. Do wealthier people identify as liberal more than conservative? Do wealthier people have better access to education?
Studies like this are complete jokes done to grab headlines and burn through research grants.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:19 |
CPicard wrote:
In France, these last 5 years, we had several living proofs that the French conservative politicians are, indeed, less intelligent than the French liberal/progressive politicians.
But I'm not sure it could apply to the voting citizens.
Yet, thinking about it and having in mind some "incidents", I'm re-considering that opinion...
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12 days ago I saw proof that the moon is never illuminated.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:21 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
CPicard wrote:
In France, these last 5 years, we had several living proofs that the French conservative politicians are, indeed, less intelligent than the French liberal/progressive politicians.
But I'm not sure it could apply to the voting citizens.
Yet, thinking about it and having in mind some "incidents", I'm re-considering that opinion...
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12 days ago I saw proof that the moon is never illuminated.
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Well, if you're looking where the moon never shines...
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thellama73
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:38 |
^ I think that was exactly his point.
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Smurph
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:40 |
Why isn't there a choice for "I dislike it when people side with either side of political spectrum"
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:41 |
thellama73 wrote:
^ I think that was exactly his point.
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Could you please reassure me: you understood my joke, didn't you?
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thellama73
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 13:57 |
It didn't make me laugh, if that's what you mean.
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CPicard
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 14:08 |
thellama73 wrote:
It didn't make me laugh, if that's what you mean.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 15:53 |
It is said you can prove anything you want with stats, if you know how to interpret and present them. Do we know what the political orientation of Psychology Today is?? Just a thought.
In my experience, people who would call themselves 'liberal' do seem to me to be more intelligent, certainly more articulate and more capable of empathy. But it's all generalisation really. My father used to mix in 'conservative circles' which were comprised mostly of very educated and intelligent people, who always seemed to be doing something benevolent. But, for years there were large swathes of the UK population, who were die hard conservatives, and those of my acquaintance seemed barely able to construct a sentence.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Man With Hat
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 16:14 |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 18:58 |
You didn't build that...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 19:05 |
Here's the whole thing when it comes to Liberal v. Conservative. I wasn't born into really poor family. I wasn't born into a really wealthy family. But at least I have empathy for the least fortunate amongst us. I am totally not getting this from people who identify themselves with conservative or libertarian. Rmoney is the embodiment of that.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 19:28 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Here's the whole thing when it comes to Liberal v. Conservative. I wasn't born into really poor family. I wasn't born into a really wealthy family. But at least I have empathy for the least fortunate amongst us. I am totally not getting this from people who identify themselves with conservative or libertarian. Rmoney is the embodiment of that.
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Conservatives and libertarians want to help the poor in a different way that they see as more effective, namely, the elimination of excessive taxes and regulation in order that the economy, being more free, may thrive more and benefit all, poor and rich alike. There are regulations that are necessary to prevent the oppression of the poor by corporations, but the laws we have now do nothing but regulate companies into the ground and create a culture of dependency among the poor. It's business, after all, that creates jobs for the poor, which gives them money to live and save and hopefully eventually climb out of their poverty. If the government were to operate on the principles of freedom and free markets (which the country was built upon), it would give many poor people the chance to get jobs and to support themselves and their families instead of relying upon government aid. The lazy people who don't want to work and rely upon the government for their livelihood would reap the due rewards of their actions, and the remaining number who genuinely are stuck and can't dig themselves out of poverty no matter how hard they work could be helped by charity and, if necessary, by a limited, selective aid program by state and city governments.
The only thing that this redistribution of wealth does for the American poor is to train them to be dependent on the government; it doesn't help them escape poverty, it just makes them think that they couldn't survive without their big daddy government that provides them with food, housing, and education. Meanwhile, because of over-taxation, large and small business owners can't provide the poor with jobs anymore. The idea that the government should take some people's money and give it to others is essentially a socialist principle, and anyone with a basic knowledge of history can see how socialism has worked out for nations in the past.
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 21:07 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Here's the whole thing when it comes to Liberal v. Conservative. I wasn't born into really poor family. I wasn't born into a really wealthy family. But at least I have empathy for the least fortunate amongst us. I am totally not getting this from people who identify themselves with conservative or libertarian. Rmoney is the embodiment of that.
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Probably because you're closed minded and parade around the caricature boogeyman that you want to see in what you view as an opposing ideology. You would have no intentionally do so to filter the overtones out of what I say.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 21:07 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Here's the whole thing when it comes to Liberal v. Conservative. I wasn't born into really poor family. I wasn't born into a really wealthy family. But at least I have empathy for the least fortunate amongst us. I am totally not getting this from people who identify themselves with conservative or libertarian. Rmoney is the embodiment of that.
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Tonight we have a homeless man in our house.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 22:10 |
The problem is that Slarti can't tell the difference between compassion and coercion. If you're not forcibly taking money from people, you must have a heart of ice!
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