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Points: 2157 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:57

I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seem to have the same opinion.

I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here.

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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I adore Joy Division, but I can't see them featured here either - even if I can spot the openly art work eccentricities Closer had. Progressive in the same sense as Dead Can Dance were in the 80s although sounding completely different. 
 
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Yep, but I think that's because of the path they decided to go when they did Aieon and Into the Labyrinth, but I am only making a guess here.
Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is what I personally consider as progressive music and ten times more forward thinking and timeless than what came later, - of course only my opinion though, but it ain't prog rock.
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 12:12
i think Lukather solo is more progressive and more related to prog/fusion
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Toto seems to be that middle ground where they aren't quite a prog band, but they certainly aren't Aerosmith or Journey... but I think that would make them prog-related. I don't see why they wouldn't be.
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This is pure prog-rock :
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Points: 3167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 17:51
*Seriouslly with that song alone they should at least be in prog related... I want to hear someone explain how that song isn't at least HEAVILY influenced by prog. And while parts of the song don't sound completely prog, I feel like it's pretty much impossible to say this is not prog-related.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 17:54
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Believe me or not, the first time I heard this song was on the now defunct french prog rock radio broadcast "progression".

Edited by lucas - June 02 2012 at 17:54
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 18:03
three songs i think is progy



this one more not clear but i think Isoloation is Totos most technical album

and this song is the most technical of them
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Better worlds is pure prog, mindfields is a hell of an album. An nobody on here can truely say that breakfast in america (the entire album) is even close to being prog yet supertramp made it on here. Crime of the century is also not fully prog. I love supertramp but my point is, if they are prog then toto is just as proggy as they are.
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Points: 3167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 00:49
^Crime of the century is fully prog to me in the way that Toto is in the sense that they pull in and out of prog, and many of their melodies are structured in a similar way to most prog. But everyone seems to always say that "if X is prog, then Y is prog" arguments aren't valid. What I can say though is that both those bands sound at least prog-related to meemee.
 
And imo if a group releases one album that is pure badass prog and 6 albums of Coldplay and Justin Beiber mix medleys, they should still be at least in prog related haha
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 03:25
question regarding Totos bio on Progfreak,

why does it stop at 2002 for band status when they have an album in 2003 and 2006 (arguably also one of their most achived albums Falling in Between) it does not seem right and rather clumsy, to be hones, someone with authority in Progfreak should eddit it also the band is stil active it is not dead yet.
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I couldn't be more against it.

Awful AOR pap, with not a prog-related album to show, and the occasional prog-related (perhaps) sequence thrown in haphazzardly very occasionally.

It would be just as bad as including Foreigner here. Same goo.

Hope the admins stick to their original sensible decision.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 04:23
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

question regarding Totos bio on Progfreak,

why does it stop at 2002 for band status when they have an album in 2003 and 2006 (arguably also one of their most achived albums Falling in Between) it does not seem right and rather clumsy, to be hones, someone with authority in Progfreak should eddit it also the band is stil active it is not dead yet.
Because their latest album (added in ProgFreak) released in 2002. LOL
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Points: 4671 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 21:29
Curse you all.  This caused me to have a dream of being at a Toto concert.  They played whatever that song is that someone posted a video of here, followed by "Hold the Line".
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 23:32
i wouldnt mind dreaming of a Toto concert Thumbs Up

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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2012 at 00:22
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seem to have the same opinion.

I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here.

Toto, Boston and similar bands have been suggested repeatedly.

In this case the Prog Related team said no, and I agree with them.

A couple of proggy songs don't make them a Prog or Prog Related band, specially when they released so many AOR albums.

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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2012 at 10:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


A couple of proggy songs don't make them a Prog or Prog Related band, specially when they released so many AOR albums.

Actually, I think it kinda does. By your logic, Genesis shouldn't be here, because their pop songs are double their amount of prog songs.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2012 at 12:08
Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


A couple of proggy songs don't make them a Prog or Prog Related band, specially when they released so many AOR albums.

Actually, I think it kinda does. By your logic, Genesis shouldn't be here, because their pop songs are double their amount of prog songs.

Do you know something about Genesis or math?

Toto has a couple of proggy songs in like 20 albums

Genesis has 7 full Prog albums, 2 at least Crossover and one Related.

Now to stop this nonsense always repeated

Genesis has 15 studio albums
  1. From Genesis to the Revelation - Not Prog
  2. Trespass - Prog
  3. Nursery Cryme - Prog
  4. Foxtrot - Prog
  5. SebtP - Prog
  6. The Lamb - Prog
  7. A Trick of the Tail - Prog
  8. W&W - Prog
  9. Attw3 - prog
  10. Duke - Prog
  11. Abacab - Partially Prog
  12. Genesis (Shapes) - Not prog
  13. Invisible Touch - not Prog
  14. We Can't Dance - Not Prog
  15. CAS - Not Prog
This means
  • 9 full Prog albums 60%
  • 1 Proggy album 6.6666%
  • 5 Non Prog albums 33%33 Non Prog

So this is not "a couple of tracks" unless you don't know what the meaning of "a couple is".

The vast majority of Genesis albums are Prog on the other hand 2 at the most 3 Toto songs are proggy

Toto has no place here, Genesis is an icon of Prog.

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Points: 423 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2012 at 10:46
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


A couple of proggy songs don't make them a Prog or Prog Related band, specially when they released so many AOR albums.

Actually, I think it kinda does. By your logic, Genesis shouldn't be here, because their pop songs are double their amount of prog songs.

Do you know something about Genesis or math?

Toto has a couple of proggy songs in like 20 albums

Genesis has 7 full Prog albums, 2 at least Crossover and one Related.

Now to stop this nonsense always repeated

Genesis has 15 studio albums
  1. From Genesis to the Revelation - Not Prog
  2. Trespass - Prog
  3. Nursery Cryme - Prog
  4. Foxtrot - Prog
  5. SebtP - Prog
  6. The Lamb - Prog
  7. A Trick of the Tail - Prog
  8. W&W - Prog
  9. Attw3 - prog
  10. Duke - Prog
  11. Abacab - Partially Prog
  12. Genesis (Shapes) - Not prog
  13. Invisible Touch - not Prog
  14. We Can't Dance - Not Prog
  15. CAS - Not Prog
This means
  • 9 full Prog albums 60%
  • 1 Proggy album 6.6666%
  • 5 Non Prog albums 33%33 Non Prog

So this is not "a couple of tracks" unless you don't know what the meaning of "a couple is".

The vast majority of Genesis albums are Prog on the other hand 2 at the most 3 Toto songs are proggy

Toto has no place here, Genesis is an icon of Prog.

Iván
 
But Asia is here. Toto, in my opinion, is the American version of Asia. Or maybe... With more Prog elements.
 
Toto are also mentioned in too many sites/ magazines that deal with Prog for to not be included in PA. (And that's why we are Asia in PA, I think).
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2012 at 11:09
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seem to have the same opinion.

I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here.

Toto, Boston and similar bands have been suggested repeatedly.

In this case the Prog Related team said no, and I agree with them.

A couple of proggy songs don't make them a Prog or Prog Related band, specially when they released so many AOR albums.

Iván
 
I don't believe the following artists/bands (here in prog-related) have a single prog song :
Toy Matinee
GTR
Asia
John Wetton
Greg Lake
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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