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zumacraig
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 08:44 |
AlexDOM wrote:
zumacraig wrote:
he also has a good ear for production. all of his work is warm and immediate. the bass on those early SB records is incredible..as is the drums. he's also a great arranger dropping little synth lines between memorable melodies. i didn't like his voice initially, but i grew to enjoy it. one thing that i still have a rough time with is the 'praise' aspect of his music as well as the musical theater tendencies. beginning of the light is a good example. praise music to me is rarely authentic. he's hitting the right nerve with me lately though. been listening to the light so much lately. love the water and that tack piano on the FU part. the other three tunes are classics. |
I love the Water too, the FU section (which I actually love and in the story of the song makes sense musically and lyrically) which it's kinda hard to digest ha ha (although he was a different person when he wrote that- still was a musical master then like today) in light of where he is now. |
yeah, initially i had a hard time with FU part. i thought it was too harsh for a prog song. however, i came to realize that it works and really couldn't be any other way. it also took balls to put out that song on a debut album in a genre that had all but died at that point in time. Those 90s spock's albums are some of the best produced music in that decade of over compress alt. rock. the only thing about the water for me is that it's a bit too long and peters out at the end. def didn't need to be 25 minutes. great melodies in there though.
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infandous
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 08:45 |
Yeah, my feeling has always been that he makes the most of a rather ordinary voice. His voice doesn't have character, like Gabriel or Hammill or Geddy Lee or any other famous vocalist you can think of. But he has a great ear for melody and pitch, so he's able to really belt it out when he needs to. I don't consider him a great singer though, because he lacks that 'character" that great vocalists usually have. Still, I love his music and his vocals fit it very well.
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zumacraig
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 10:06 |
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Yeah, my feeling has always been that he makes the most of a rather ordinary voice. His voice doesn't have character, like Gabriel or Hammill or Geddy Lee or any other famous vocalist you can think of. But he has a great ear for melody and pitch, so he's able to really belt it out when he needs to. I don't consider him a great singer though, because he lacks that 'character" that great vocalists usually have. Still, I love his music and his vocals fit it very well.
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great points. it's interesting, the artists/bands i tend to like are not 'the best' at their instruments or singing, but are geniuses in their sphere of ability. neal is definitely one of those dudes. he knows what works for him to sound good and thank god has an ear for production, arrangment and mixing. so many bands are clueless of that stuff.
another example of what i stated above is neil young (two neals). his has a peculiar voice and his own way of playing guitar. i find it asthetically pleasing, but he'd never be considered a master guitarist/vocalist.
it's rare that you get a prodigy and composer in one individual. the only one i can think of is john petrucci. has their ever been a technically superior guitar-god that writes such memorable melodies?
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Biff Tannen
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 12:55 |
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
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infandous
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 13:23 |
Biff Tannen wrote:
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
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Yeah, forgot to mention the limited range. I still say his voice is pretty ordinary, but that he does do all he can with it. What I like most is that he always seems really genuine in his music and vocals, he always has feeling, which can often be lacking in prog rock.
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zumacraig
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 15:26 |
infandous wrote:
Biff Tannen wrote:
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
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Yeah, forgot to mention the limited range. I still say his voice is pretty ordinary, but that he does do all he can with it. What I like most is that he always seems really genuine in his music and vocals, he always has feeling, which can often be lacking in prog rock.
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you nailed it! you can have great instrumentation, production, songs...but if you don't have soul...
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