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Topic: Why Neal Morse?Posted By: The_Jester
Subject: Why Neal Morse?
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:03
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I always tought Neal Morse was a very overrated vocalist. I made this thread so you can make me discover why do you like his music and his voice by sending me songs I should listen to and things you noted in his music. Thanks a lot!
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Replies: Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:16
Well, I like him because of Transatlantic, then I eventually checked out Spock's Beard and his prog solo albums.
I got into his music because of the uplifting nature of the music, but
also the powerful symphonic sound he has. I like his voice most of the
time, when he is doing those soaring vocals, especially during climaxes
of his epics (which are usually some of his best moments). I also like
his compositional style; though not as varied as say, The Flower Kings,
he still keeps putting out exceptional work.
Maybe this might interest you. One of Neal's heavier songs (he doesn't have many), but also has a nice section when the vocals come in.
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:31
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I must admit that it's groovy and very well done but the voice isn't it's best attribute. I'd like to see a song where he sing his soul out of him. Like Peter Gabriel in many Lamb songs.
------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle!
- Napoléon Bonaparte
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:40
The_Jester wrote:
I must admit that it's groovy and very well done but the voice isn't it's best attribute. I'd like to see a song where he sing his soul out of him....
I don't know that he can sing his soul out as, apparently, he already made a deal and sold it to God.
Just kidding around of course. In reality, dunno, never was a fan of Neal Morse or any of his projects.
I rather like this, actually.
Hmm.
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:16
^ Great song!
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:19
In my opinion, Neal really sings his soul out on this song:
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Posted By: gerdtheater
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 20:04
I think he sings amazing in Transatlantic and in his solo song "The Door"
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Posted By: gerdtheater
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 20:09
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Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 20:13
Personally, I think Morse's best vocals are in "At the End of the Day" from V.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 20:17
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Personally, I think Morse's best vocals are in "At the End of the Day" from V.
Morse on all of V is just an eargasm.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 20:45
Andy Webb wrote:
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Personally, I think Morse's best vocals are in "At the End of the Day" from V.
Morse on all of V is just an eargasm.
I will go with this, less the clean up afterwards.
Posted By: Monadology
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 21:00
I quite enjoy Spock's Beard and some Transatlantic, but sometimes his voices is hard to take. It just sounds whiny to me
(not in terms of mood, obviously his many upbeat songs are the furthest thing from whiny)
That's not a criticism of his singing ability at all. Just how it rings to my ears.
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 21:03
Monadology wrote:
I quite enjoy Spock's Beard and some Transatlantic, but sometimes his voices is hard to take. It just sounds whiny to me
(not in terms of mood, obviously his many upbeat songs are the furthest thing from whiny)
That's not a criticism of his singing ability at all. Just how it rings to my ears.
I think I know what you mean. Morse sounds amazing when he overdubs/harmonizes with himself. But when he's singing solo, his voice is sometimes a little weak. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "whiny," but I see where you're coming from. Most of the time, though, I think he's a fine singer.
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Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 21:13
On Bridge Across Forever (song) his vocals are so powerful and moving.
Plus I love him because he is so passionate about Christ, his music, and his fans. Very nice guy and humble. Met him twice, he's funny too. His testimony is amazing too as detailed in his autobiography.
And on top of all that an extremely talented multi instrumentalist and song writer. Very entertaining live too!
Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 21:47
he also has a good ear for production. all of his work is warm and immediate. the bass on those early SB records is incredible..as is the drums. he's also a great arranger dropping little synth lines between memorable melodies. i didn't like his voice initially, but i grew to enjoy it. one thing that i still have a rough time with is the 'praise' aspect of his music as well as the musical theater tendencies. beginning of the light is a good example. praise music to me is rarely authentic. he's hitting the right nerve with me lately though. been listening to the light so much lately. love the water and that tack piano on the FU part. the other three tunes are classics.
Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 23:20
zumacraig wrote:
he also has a good ear for production. all of his work is warm and immediate. the bass on those early SB records is incredible..as is the drums. he's also a great arranger dropping little synth lines between memorable melodies. i didn't like his voice initially, but i grew to enjoy it. one thing that i still have a rough time with is the 'praise' aspect of his music as well as the musical theater tendencies. beginning of the light is a good example. praise music to me is rarely authentic. he's hitting the right nerve with me lately though. been listening to the light so much lately. love the water and that tack piano on the FU part. the other three tunes are classics.
I love the Water too, the FU section (which I actually love and in the story of the song makes sense musically and lyrically) which it's kinda hard to digest ha ha (although he was a different person when he wrote that- still was a musical master then like today) in light of where he is now.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 07:13
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 07:38
AlexDOM wrote:
On Bridge Across Forever (song) his vocals are so powerful and moving.
Plus I love him because he is so passionate about Christ, his music, and his fans. Very nice guy and humble. Met him twice, he's funny too. His testimony is amazing too as detailed in his autobiography.
And on top of all that an extremely talented multi instrumentalist and song writer. Very entertaining live too!
His passion for Christ is what turns me off, but other than that I like most of what he has done (I usually don´t pay much attention to lyrics, so it´s not the biggest issue to me). Especially the Spock´s Beard albums he has contributed to. A skilled musician/composer. As for why I think he is a great singer, it´s first and foremost that he is passionate in the way he sings. He has a pretty "ordinary" voice that probably won´t offend anyone (and I usually like to be offended) but his harmonies are just yummi.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 07:40
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Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 08:41
UMUR wrote:
AlexDOM wrote:
On Bridge Across Forever (song) his vocals are so powerful and moving.
Plus I love him because he is so passionate about Christ, his music, and his fans. Very nice guy and humble. Met him twice, he's funny too. His testimony is amazing too as detailed in his autobiography.
And on top of all that an extremely talented multi instrumentalist and song writer. Very entertaining live too!
His passion for Christ is what turns me off, but other than that I like most of what he has done (I usually don´t pay much attention to lyrics, so it´s not the biggest issue to me). Especially the Spock´s Beard albums he has contributed to. A skilled musician/composer. As for why I think he is a great singer, it´s first and foremost that he is passionate in the way he sings. He has a pretty "ordinary" voice that probably won´t offend anyone (and I usually like to be offended) but his harmonies are just yummi.
yeah, his harmonies are so great. i don't know what he does...maybe double track? add in a fist pumping chorus and i'm in heaven.
of course the jesus thing has been discussed so much. at least he's not preachy, just confessional. the buzz about this new album is growing :)
Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 08:44
AlexDOM wrote:
zumacraig wrote:
he also has a good ear for production. all of his work is warm and immediate. the bass on those early SB records is incredible..as is the drums. he's also a great arranger dropping little synth lines between memorable melodies. i didn't like his voice initially, but i grew to enjoy it. one thing that i still have a rough time with is the 'praise' aspect of his music as well as the musical theater tendencies. beginning of the light is a good example. praise music to me is rarely authentic. he's hitting the right nerve with me lately though. been listening to the light so much lately. love the water and that tack piano on the FU part. the other three tunes are classics.
I love the Water too, the FU section (which I actually love and in the story of the song makes sense musically and lyrically) which it's kinda hard to digest ha ha (although he was a different person when he wrote that- still was a musical master then like today) in light of where he is now.
yeah, initially i had a hard time with FU part. i thought it was too harsh for a prog song. however, i came to realize that it works and really couldn't be any other way. it also took balls to put out that song on a debut album in a genre that had all but died at that point in time. Those 90s spock's albums are some of the best produced music in that decade of over compress alt. rock. the only thing about the water for me is that it's a bit too long and peters out at the end. def didn't need to be 25 minutes. great melodies in there though.
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 08:45
Yeah, my feeling has always been that he makes the most of a rather ordinary voice. His voice doesn't have character, like Gabriel or Hammill or Geddy Lee or any other famous vocalist you can think of. But he has a great ear for melody and pitch, so he's able to really belt it out when he needs to. I don't consider him a great singer though, because he lacks that 'character" that great vocalists usually have. Still, I love his music and his vocals fit it very well.
Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 10:06
infandous wrote:
Yeah, my feeling has always been that he makes the most of a rather ordinary voice. His voice doesn't have character, like Gabriel or Hammill or Geddy Lee or any other famous vocalist you can think of. But he has a great ear for melody and pitch, so he's able to really belt it out when he needs to. I don't consider him a great singer though, because he lacks that 'character" that great vocalists usually have. Still, I love his music and his vocals fit it very well.
great points. it's interesting, the artists/bands i tend to like are not 'the best' at their instruments or singing, but are geniuses in their sphere of ability. neal is definitely one of those dudes. he knows what works for him to sound good and thank god has an ear for production, arrangment and mixing. so many bands are clueless of that stuff.
another example of what i stated above is neil young (two neals). his has a peculiar voice and his own way of playing guitar. i find it asthetically pleasing, but he'd never be considered a master guitarist/vocalist.
it's rare that you get a prodigy and composer in one individual. the only one i can think of is john petrucci. has their ever been a technically superior guitar-god that writes such memorable melodies?
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Posted By: Biff Tannen
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 12:55
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 13:23
Biff Tannen wrote:
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
Yeah, forgot to mention the limited range. I still say his voice is pretty ordinary, but that he does do all he can with it. What I like most is that he always seems really genuine in his music and vocals, he always has feeling, which can often be lacking in prog rock.
Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 15:26
infandous wrote:
Biff Tannen wrote:
I have to completely disagree with his singing having no character; I think his vocals have TONS of character, which makes up for having fairly limited range. The fact that he has a great natural singing voice helps a lot, too.
Yeah, forgot to mention the limited range. I still say his voice is pretty ordinary, but that he does do all he can with it. What I like most is that he always seems really genuine in his music and vocals, he always has feeling, which can often be lacking in prog rock.
you nailed it! you can have great instrumentation, production, songs...but if you don't have soul...