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    Posted: November 29 2004 at 20:15
I really want to get into Zappa, but he's released sooo much stuff that I have no idea where to start.... what album should I start with? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2004 at 20:47

Start with Apostrophe and Over Night Sensation. Two excellent albums that are nearly commercial, because they are melodic, and great musicianship. Think of them as gateway drugs. Then go on to Hot Rats (my fav) the Joe's Garage trilogy and Chunga's Revenge. If you're a guitar fans, Frank's got some killer guitar albums.

Don't be afraid, the waters deep. Just jump right in.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2004 at 20:56
ditto Over Nite Sensations and Apostrophe is the
place to start, and maybe finish. The others he
mentioned are some of his best, but Frank never
really made a commercial album but the 2
mentioned and he really needs to try to be a little
commercial to swallow.
Frank streches the word commercial quite a bit and I
do consider ONS and ' as TRUE CLASSICS!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2004 at 20:56
maybe try cheap thrills. because it's cheap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2004 at 22:34
Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

Start with Apostrophe and Over Night Sensation. Two excellent albums that are nearly commercial, because they are melodic, and great musicianship. Think of them as gateway drugs. Then go on to Hot Rats (my fav) the Joe's Garage trilogy and Chunga's Revenge. If you're a guitar fans, Frank's got some killer guitar albums.

Don't be afraid, the waters deep. Just jump right in.

ClapQuite agree. Guitar solo/song "Watermelon in Easter Hay"  from Joe's Garage, is TRULY beautifulCry, by any standard!

After the above, then Sheik Yerbouti and You Are What You Is are hilarious, essential, latter-day FrankBig smile. (See my review of You Are What You Is.)

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 00:27
Overnite Sensation and You Are What You Is
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 00:28
Overnite Sensation seems to be the leader, eh?

Although I've been told that Hot Rats is more jazzy....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 00:44
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 01:13
Stay away from Bongo Fury until you're stronger
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 03:04
I think that either of my two favourites would be good places to start; "We're Only In It For The Money" - a p*** take of a generation, and "Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch" - some of this is heavy going initially, but the album is worth the money just for "Valley Girl", "Teenage Prostitute" and Steve Vai...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 03:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 05:24

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Overnite Sensation seems to be the leader, eh?

Although I've been told that Hot Rats is more jazzy....

 

Jazzy and bluesy - the latter because of Beefheart and Sugar Cane Harris(?) on Willie The Pimp

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 05:29
I'd go for the Strictly Commercial compilation.It's a good overview and isn't strictly commercial

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 09:55

The Zappa FamilyTrust just released another Best Of (shame on them), but I think it is a great starter of the short songs,otherwise get Strictly commercial the first Best of.My favourite band is 1972-1974 with the one and only Ruth Underwood,George Duke, N.M.Brook, the Fowler Bros.All their record releases are excellent and funny as usual. ...and if you 're into dancing get the Bebop Tango and the Black Page.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 11:35
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

The Zappa FamilyTrust just released another Best Of (shame on them

This is not true! The latest BEST OF was not released by the ZFT, but by Rykodisc!

I demand your apologies!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 11:38

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

I really want to get into Zappa, but he's released sooo much stuff that I have no idea where to start.... what album should I start with? 

There's a big difference between the music by the Mothers Of Invention and Zappa's solo work. I like both very much. This is what I wrote at the end of FZ's bio for the ProgArchives website:

Here’s a small list of ZAPPA-records I recommend. They’re all must-haves, and some of them may be a good starting point for people who are unfamiliar with his work. Firstly, all of his albums with the early MOTHERS (except for “Cruising With Ruben & The Jets”) are very good. I think the best ones are “We’re Only In It For The Money”, “Uncle Meat” and “Weasels Ripped My Flesh”. “Freak Out!” is less interesting, but it does have great historical value, for it was, in my opinion, the first progressive rock record ever. Zappa’s second solo-album “Hot Rats” contains some great instrumental (except for CAPTAIN BEEFHEART’s vocals on “Willie The Pimp”) jazzrock. “Hot Rats” is definitily among his best albums. But, if you are unfamiliar with ZAPPA’s work, the albums of THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION and ZAPPA’s solo-albums from the sixties may scare you off. If you’d like some more accessible music, you could start with “Over-Nite Sensation”, “Apostrophe (')” or “One Size Fits All”. They’re all great jazzy bluesrock records. ZAPPA’s most poppy record was the controversial “Sheik Yerbouti” though. It contains many accessible ZAPPA-classics, with very funny lyrics. You could also start with a compilation. “Strictly Commercial”, “Have I Offended Someone?”, “Cheap Thrills” and “Son Of Cheep Thrills” are all decent compilations, that give you a nice insight in what diverse kinds of music Frank ZAPPA made.

Good luck!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 12:57

I started with We're Only In It For the Money, and it almost turned me off from him entirely.  Great album, but NOT a good starting point.

As I said on AIM, you'll like Hot Rats since you're into jazz fusion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 15:07
Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

I started with We're Only In It For the Money, and it almost turned me off from him entirely.  Great album, but NOT a good starting point.

As I said on AIM, you'll like Hot Rats since you're into jazz fusion.

That was my first Zappa experience and it was great!!!!!!

It was a marvolous tarting point.

My essentials are Goes Garage 1-3, just another band from L.A. and Uncy meat!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 15:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2004 at 15:12

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Mr 160 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You remembered!!! Bless your heart sunny boy

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