Prog & Politics

CPicard wrote: lazland wrote: Left - bloody Tories And just to get a thumbs down from my mate, Snow Dog, Welsh independence. And what about English independance?

haha the best think is when members get a little of topic here how did you come to the arab revolution again 

frippism wrote: All revolutions start with good intentions. Well some of them. Well the Arab spring revolutions started with good intentions. But the state currently in Libya and particularly worrying to me, Egypt, doesn't make me too hopeful about the state of these countries. It seems that might go from fairly rich dictatorships to fundamentalist (and also tribal in Libya) Islamic regimes. It still needs to be seen whether fundamentalist (or near-fundamentalist) parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt actually take over the country, but it looks bad. Really really really bad. I don't that even Israelis understand how bad.  What begun from the intellectuals in Egypt simply formed moved away and morphed into something different- something dangerous. No real democracy can exist when half of the country is under the poverty line, and mostly un-alphabetic.

I think you are 100% correct  (about the Arab spring). If you are worried about a religious fundamentalist regime taking over in the Arab nations, please do look here at my country, the USA, as well.  One party is running on a fundamentalist platform that would make the Islamic Brotherhood proud!  So.... I am just sick all all the stupidity of the masses, so I say "bring it on" Bring On Armagedon!!!!!!!!!!!   If we all had our Holy Wars, do you think you and I would be on the same side?

I was just reading how in Egypt the Islamic Brotherhood had said they would not field a candidate for President, now they are. But you know? With so many religious lunatics running around in my country wanting to destroy civil rights and bring on more wars, I don't have time for religious crazies 4 thousand miles away!

Seriously, as we mentioned, the fact that the USA is no longer turning a blind eye while Arab dictators allow religious extremism to flourish in their lands. I wouldn't worry too much over there in Israel. If any Arab country goes extreme, their leader might find himself in the same predicament as Saddam Hussein found himself.

One way or another, the Arab nations will need to find solutions on their own, it sure won't be easy, but the old game of religious extremism & intolerance just won't work like it used to.

I don't know about politics much, but I do know I never really agreed with Hitler, if that's any help.

frippism wrote: Btw just for future knowledge I lived in the States and my English is as good as my Hebrew (meaning their both pretty much my native tongues). So no problems with vocab and such :).   I feel like the situation in Israel economically is way too similar to the situation in the U.S. Capitalism is what makes massive economic growth possible in democratic countries. Over-capitalisation, though, as you  know, will cause the rift between the upper and lower classes. The lower class lose faith in democracy, the upper class gets massive political and economic power, and sh*t gets bleak. There's a time and place for every economic policy- it is time for the U.S., and Israel to obtain a better balance between Capitalism and Socialism.

Edited by dennismoore - April 06 2012 at 16:06

RoyFairbank wrote: The T wrote:

Sorry man that was bad. But yes, check more about it and you'll see the statement doesn't hold up. Libertarians want a minimal state precisely, among million other reasons, because the political structure is totally made for the benefit of those in power. And they would reject that the people's will should dictate how society runs, proposing instead each individual as owner of his destiny as long as he doesn't infringe on others' rights.

The T wrote:

The T wrote: ^That's thw world's shortest and stupidest test too. So libertarians think that the people's will is reflected in the political structure?

Of course they do. Do they want a Revolution or a Dictatorship? They want capitalist democracy.

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Edited by RoyFairbank - April 06 2012 at 12:51

lazland wrote: Left - bloody Tories And just to get a thumbs down from my mate, Snow Dog, Welsh independence.

And what about English independance?