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Points: 2447 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:17
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Ludjak Ludjak wrote:

I'm actually looking forward to hear the remixed versions of Thick as a Brick or A Passion Play (the latter hopefully with some of the instrumental tracks removed, thank you Mr. Anderson for willing to do so) .

I'm really not too keen on that type of revisionism, but being forewarned means I don't have to bother with those versions.


I don't think it's revisionism.  I think in many cases, it's what the artist wanted all along but couldn't have with 70's technology.  At least, that is what the members of Genesis claimed about the remixes put out a few years ago.  I think it's a perfectly sensible position for them to have as well.  Still, it's also understandable that fans know and love the original and don't like the thought of it changing, and may well not like the changes themselves.  For me personally, as long as they are not doing overdubs or changing actual performances, I'm always interested to hear remixes and re-masters and judge them on their merits.  I love the Genesis remixes of the Gabriel stuff, though on Lamb and Selling England I can't really hear any difference from the original.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Ludjak Ludjak wrote:

I'm actually looking forward to hear the remixed versions of Thick as a Brick or A Passion Play (the latter hopefully with some of the instrumental tracks removed, thank you Mr. Anderson for willing to do so) .

I'm really not too keen on that type of revisionism, but being forewarned means I don't have to bother with those versions.

Neither am I, but I don't think that is the case here. Arrangement-wise, Tull never played A Passion Play live the way it was recorded. In my opinion (and maybe Ian's too, since he spoke about this), the decently documented live versions from the 1973 tour had everything the studio version lacked: more guitar/keyboards/winds interplay, less over-arranging and doodling. The studio version sounds like the band is trying to cover up their lack of confidence about the new album by trying to be clever for clever's sake (Side 1 especially, for example, the motif in the "Memory Bank" number is played by a guitar, an organ, a Moog and a piano in unison, the intro has the main theme played on the guitar [mixed so low it's barely audible] with two sopranino sax overdubs playing parallel sixths above it. Why?!).


I just hope that the remix of A Passion Play doesn't come down to "I don't like the saxophone now, so let's delete all tracks of me playing the saxophone".
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I don't care much about crystal-clear sound production, but I guess the production will be on par with Roots To Branches and Dot Com. And frankly, not even the musicality is my biggest concern here: I'm curious to know will Anderson be able to do a coherent story about Gerald Bostock today (perhaps with his sharp cynicism and poetic observations) rather than a disjointed patchwork leaning on his past glory.

I would like to hear Barre's guitar and Evan's Hammond, but that's not going to happen. However, I'm sure Ian will surround himself with competent musicians. If Andrew Giddins will play keyboards and have some share in arrangements the result might get interesting.


Andrew Giddings left Tull in 2007, John O'Hara replaced him and imho is nowhere near as good as Giddings. So no Giddings input into TAAB2 unless Ian used some pre 2007 tapes......which wouldn't  surprise me at all.

Check out Giddings' My Space site here:
http://www.myspace.com/andrewgiddingsmusic

He also has a relatively new album called "Picture This" if anyone is interested. A big loss to Tull.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I don't care much about crystal-clear sound production, but I guess the production will be on par with Roots To Branches and Dot Com. And frankly, not even the musicality is my biggest concern here: I'm curious to know will Anderson be able to do a coherent story about Gerald Bostock today (perhaps with his sharp cynicism and poetic observations) rather than a disjointed patchwork leaning on his past glory.

I would like to hear Barre's guitar and Evan's Hammond, but that's not going to happen. However, I'm sure Ian will surround himself with competent musicians. If Andrew Giddins will play keyboards and have some share in arrangements the result might get interesting.


Andrew Giddings left Tull in 2007, John O'Hara replaced him and imho is nowhere near as good as Giddings. So no Giddings input into TAAB2 unless Ian used some pre 2007 tapes......which wouldn't  surprise me at all.

Check out Giddings' My Space site here:
http://www.myspace.com/andrewgiddingsmusic

He also has a relatively new album called "Picture This" if anyone is interested. A big loss to Tull.


What a pity. He was my favourite "newer" Tull musician. Great work on Ian's Divinities, and great (and funny!) live performer.
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Points: 431 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 15:37
I'm gonna keep a open mind and listen to it and see what I think. I just wish the line-up from the first album (Anderson, Barre, Hammond, Barlow and Evan) was there then I'd be very excited

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My view on a few points said here:

1) Martin Barre - I can understand that JT doesn't exist anymore and that IA is going it alone for good now, but the loss of Barre, be it even as a guitarist for the IA Band, is also a great loss of quality.

2) Thick as a Brick 2: Can't wait. At the same time I can't for a moment believe that it's going to be anywhere as good as TaaB1, for the simple reason that TaaB1 sounded wild and unrestrained, and unrestrained is something that IA isn't in the slightest any more. The sound examples seem to bear this out.

3) TaaB1 remix: See point 2 above: TaaB1 as a 'cleaned-up' version is something that (for me) runs absolutely against my adoration of the current (past) recording of it.

4) New Passion Play version: I love this record, every note, sound, burp, and tweety saxophone part. Having parts removed is something that I can't imagine to be any good for even a fraction of a second. As for generally cleaning it up: I'm certain it's going to lose its character. Still going to buy it though.

5) The IA Band: Not one of those musicians has a fraction of the charisma of ANY of the past member of JT (see point 1 above). They are certainly competent players, but where's any personality at all? IA might just as well go on a solo tour renting different background musicians from the local music conservatories for ever show.

I want Jethro Tull back, with the characters and all the mad fun involved. But as IA as head madman has become very 'sensible', I'm afraid that's never going to happen. Oh well, I'm still going to get the IA solo albums and enjoy them, but while listening to them I'll never be able to blot out the images of the old, real JT running through my mind with sadness.
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Points: 628 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2012 at 13:57
There are some joys in life you just got to let go of over time. I'm just happy to know that IA hasn't gone into retire mode like many other 'older' artists.
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

My view on a few points said here:

1) Martin Barre - I can understand that JT doesn't exist anymore and that IA is going it alone for good now, but the loss of Barre, be it even as a guitarist for the IA Band, is also a great loss of quality.

2) Thick as a Brick 2: Can't wait. At the same time I can't for a moment believe that it's going to be anywhere as good as TaaB1, for the simple reason that TaaB1 sounded wild and unrestrained, and unrestrained is something that IA isn't in the slightest any more. The sound examples seem to bear this out.

3) TaaB1 remix: See point 2 above: TaaB1 as a 'cleaned-up' version is something that (for me) runs absolutely against my adoration of the current (past) recording of it.

4) New Passion Play version: I love this record, every note, sound, burp, and tweety saxophone part. Having parts removed is something that I can't imagine to be any good for even a fraction of a second. As for generally cleaning it up: I'm certain it's going to lose its character. Still going to buy it though.

5) The IA Band: Not one of those musicians has a fraction of the charisma of ANY of the past member of JT (see point 1 above). They are certainly competent players, but where's any personality at all? IA might just as well go on a solo tour renting different background musicians from the local music conservatories for ever show.

I want Jethro Tull back, with the characters and all the mad fun involved. But as IA as head madman has become very 'sensible', I'm afraid that's never going to happen. Oh well, I'm still going to get the IA solo albums and enjoy them, but while listening to them I'll never be able to blot out the images of the old, real JT running through my mind with sadness.


Great post. I agree with most of this, although I am looking forward to the 5.1 remix of TAAB.
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Points: 925 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:04
Does anybody knows if Ian mentionned the album will flow like the first one  or it will be a succession of songs like for example Songs from the Wood. I know Ian revealed the title of each songs but I'm wondering (and I hope) if it's going to be like A Passion Play.
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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2012 at 06:49
They've put samples of four tracks from the album on the Tull website. I'm not awestruck, but they're okay and melodious (although quite 'stiff'), though they sound more like War Child stuff (sounds like the Lydian mode is Ian's scale of the day Tongue). His voice really doesn't sound bad, I mean, it's far from the voice of a 25-year old, but it doesn't distract from the music and fits the 'Gerald Bostock as an old man' character quite well.


What I found more entertaining is the review written by Adrian Stone-Mason, son of Julian Stone-Mason. He gave the album a three out of five: http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/stonemasonreview.html
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Originally posted by PabstRibbon PabstRibbon wrote:

Does anybody knows if Ian mentionned the album will flow like the first one  or it will be a succession of songs like for example Songs from the Wood. I know Ian revealed the title of each songs but I'm wondering (and I hope) if it's going to be like A Passion Play.

I just received the new edition of "A New Day" magazine with a recent interview with IA that asks this question and it appears that all the songs flow into each other a la TAAB1.
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New Samples on the j-tull website.

http://www.jethrotull.com/

Edit:

Amazon has them all

http://www.amazon.com/Thick-As-A-Brick-2/dp/B007J7LFTW/ref=mb_oe_o?tag=533643275-20


Edited by SirJethro - March 11 2012 at 13:53
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There seems to have some great songs in it. I think it's sounds more like Rupi's Dance than Taab (which is good I think). The spoken parts remind me of the readings in the second disc of the JT Christmas Album.
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Points: 1781 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2012 at 02:35
Now having listened to the samples I am totally underwhelmed by this project. Anderson should have called this Rupi's Dance 2 not TAAB2; cos all these songs sound like Rupis Dance (which is a terrible offering). IMHO TAAB2 is a big con job ..Anderson has used that name just to sell more units.

Doesn't Anderson get it? His voice is gone to the sh*te. STOP SINGING!!!!! Make an instrumental album, get Barre back. Make THAT instrumental album that Tull needed to record and then retire. 

I sure know now why Martin is doing things on his own. IA's ego will not accept that his voice is gone. Quite sad really.

Then again samples don't always do justice to songs BUT I don't hold much hope for TAAB2.
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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2012 at 07:33
http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/lyricsenglish.pdf


I like these a lot, but great lyrics do not a great album make (i.e. War Child, Minstrel in the Gallery, Stormwatch). Two weeks and we'll see. Big smile
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Points: 26 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2012 at 09:18
Well I like Minstrel and Stormwatch a lot. ;D I'm looking forward to TaaB 2.
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I think Minstrel and Stormwatch are pretty good too. That being said, I'm more excited about the upcoming Martin Barre release, which should be revealed soon.
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Originally posted by SirJethro SirJethro wrote:

Well I like Minstrel and Stormwatch a lot. ;D I'm looking forward to TaaB 2.


Me too! I also like *gasp* "Under Wraps"...
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Wow, awesome!

" http://www.planetrock.com/news/rock-news/ian-anderson-returns-to-planet-rock-3614/

Besides, for the full version of Banker Bets, Banker wins, click on the green 'On Demand icon' on the mainpage, and scroll to the Rob Birnie Show for Monday March 19 and Ian starts @ 3:24:42. It is only available for 7 days so listen while you can. Banker Bets, Banker Wins starts @ 3:34:18."
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Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Originally posted by SirJethro SirJethro wrote:

Well I like Minstrel and Stormwatch a lot. ;D I'm looking forward to TaaB 2.
Me too! I also like *gasp* "Under Wraps"...


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