Jethro Tull to release "Thick as a brick 2"
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Topic: Jethro Tull to release "Thick as a brick 2"
Posted By: enigma
Subject: Jethro Tull to release "Thick as a brick 2"
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 18:03
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Thick As A Brick sequel to be released April 2nd TAAB2 - Whatever HappenedTo Gerald Bostock? - is a full length Progressive Rock "concept" album worthy of its predecessor. Boy to man and beyond, it looks at what might have befallen the child poet Gerald Bostock in later life. Or, perhaps, any of us. To be released in two formats: the simple jewel case CD with 8-page booklet and the Special Edition with CD, audio-visual DVD and 16-page booklet. The DVD contains 5.1 surround mixes, 24-bit stereo mix, videos covering the making of the album, interviews with the musicians and the lyric reading where ian Anderson reads the lyrics in various settings. Also on the DVD are the pages of StCleve.com, the online update of the St Cleve Chronicle, fabled newspaper of the original album, and the multilingual lyric translations in Italian, German, Spanish, Czech, Polish and Russian. http://www.jethrotull.com/ |
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Posted By: Trisageon
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 18:13
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That was totally not what I was expecting from that countdown. Here's hoping it's every bit as phenomenal as the original! |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 18:14
| I was expecting something big from that countdown but not that big ! I'm an happy man. I can't wait to see the Canada dates |
Posted By: kevin4peace
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 18:29
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What. Umm. Huh? I... I hope this is going to be the best album ever. We'll just have to wait and see... Apparently its not Jethro Tull, but an Ian Anderson album. Quite unexpected... ------------- Nothing to say here. Nothing at all. Nothing is easy. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 19:02
| Or Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson... sadly all seems to indicate Martin Barre is not part of the project. But there will be a tour of both original and new albums, both played from beginning to end if I understood correctly. |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 20:13
| I would love to see Martin on this one.. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 20:47
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Damn. Idk...part of me want sto say this is a hoax...it just seems very un-Ian.
But if it is true, I do hope it's a good 'un. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 20:55
Doesn't seems to be April Fools day so I'm quite confident about this one haha
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Man With Hat wrote:Posted By: Krodis
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 22:05
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Well, I think this about takes the cake for "Most Unexpected Musical Release of the Year" Or Decade.
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 22:19
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Darn shame Barre doesn't seem to be involved. Still very, very excited for this. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 03:32
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This is bizarre, very bizarre. it may explain the hopefullly temporary parting of ways with Martin. Where have they had the time to record such a project when they constantly tour? Could be that IA has been doing this project in the studio over the past 10 years and has just compiled it all together and called it TAAB2? With Martin Barre permanantly living in Canada for a few years now has definitely made it nearly impossible for him to get in the studio with Anderson. So it appears obviuos that Martin knew about this project and may have been a trifle peeved that he wasn't in the mix so to speak. I am assuming a lot of things here aren't I? For God's sake I hope there aren't any vocals but IA of late has to spoli things by singing. Can't say I am that excited about it if Martin is missing from the recording. I suppose however that it is new material unless it is all an elaborate hoax! We'll just have to wait and see and more importantly, listen. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 04:17
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It's definitely not a Tull album - Martin's not involved. ‘TAAB2’ tracklist: 1 From A Pebble Thrown 2 Pebbles Instrumental 3 Might-have-beens 4 Upper Sixth Loan Shark 5 Banker Bets, Banker Wins 6 Swing It Far 7 Adrift And Dumfounded 8 Old School Song 9 Wootton Bassett Town 10 Power And Spirit 11 Give Till It Hurts 12 Cosy Corner 13 Shunt And Shuffle 14 A Change Of Horses 15 Confessional 16 Kismet In Suburbia 17 What-ifs, Maybes And Might-have-beens Seems to me what we might have here is an Ian Anderson solo album being dubbed "Thick as a Brick 2" for primarily marketing reasons. Even if Ian's used aspects of the first one (i.e. the Gerald Bostock character) as a jumping-off point lyrically, I don't see how this can be a true successor to TAAB if it's not even a Jethro Tull album. I've gotten used to feeling underwhelmed by post-80s Tull/Anderson releases, so I'm really not expecting big things. By dubbing this a sequel to TAAB, Anderson's set the bar ludicrously high for this one. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 04:26
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Teaser, including snippets from the album: Sounds... like... Tull. Classic Tull. Cynicism... depleting. Could... could this actually be a good album?  |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 04:33
I think he would take a lesser risk by releasing a sequel to A Passion Play  .------------- 
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Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 04:36
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So far, the 'press & marketing' part of this reboot has been reasonably entertaining, but I'm extremely eager to hear what Ian Anderson has up his sleeve this time (I do hope it is something, making a concept album after such a long time AND naming it "One of our Most Famous Works 2" raises frighteningly high expectations). A nice cover would be great too, it's been years since a Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson album has had a fun cover.
EDIT: Just heard the trailer thing, this really IS a reboot! Interesting variations on already familiar motifs from the original. Well, at least the new album will be listenable.
 And what did he do to his voice? It doesn't sound bad at all |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 04:56
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Although I'm a JT fan, I never fail to be amazed by Ian's egotism. His note introducing the new album on the JT website opens like this:
"In 1972, I wrote and recorded the Jethro Tull Progressive Rock classic album Thick As A Brick." Shouldn't that be "I wrote and WE recorded"? Now he's decided to do the sequel all on his own, I can only hope it's going to be any good... |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 06:08
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I'm holding out for "Aqualung 2: The Death Of Aqualung". ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 06:56
Or "Benefit 2: For the Benefit of Mr. Anderson." -------------
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 07:13
| The teaser is good. I love the revisited themes from the original. Damn I can't wait to hear that |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 07:22
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I look forward to hearing it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 08:39
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Steven Wilson has mixed the new Album! "I recently had the pleasure of mixing the new Ian Anderson / Jethro Tull album, which is a follow up to the classic Thick as a Brick album from 1972. TAAB2 is very much in the tradition of the first album, a continuous 54 minute concept piece with a similar musical palette and style. It's just been officially announced for release in April as a CD/DVD (including a 5.1 mix and stereo in high res), more details on the Tull website. I also completed mixes for a 40th anniversary surround sound edition of the original Thick as a Brick, though not sure when that is coming out. " ------------- Give me all the Forests, give me all the Trees give me everything as long is it for free 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 09:11
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Unexpected, indeed, but not too excited. We shall see.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 09:28
"A Passion Play 2: The Many Lives of Ronnie Pilgrim". 2013 is going to be great!! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 11:20
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The chances seem slim that this will actually turn out good.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 11:33
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I fear that this will sound like most retro-prog: high quality muscians playing old themes, compositionally great, yet filled with modern, insipid production and not really sounding fresh at all. Of course, I'm extremely surprised by this, and I may be even more surprised if I really like it. Who knows, interesting news.
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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 11:38
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I hope this is a joke, seriously. -------------  |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 11:40
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I've heard Genesis is regrouping for "The Lamb, Now A Sheep, Finally Gets Up On Broadway" ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 12:00
 ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 12:57
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Just saw the trailer. My thoughts: - OK, I am 100% done with naysaying. The excerpt have me very, very interested indeed and you can bet money on this being a day 1 purchase for me. - Interesting how this is billed to "JETHRO TULL's Ian Anderson". I think people are correct in inferring that this might have something to do with Martin Barre's lack of involvement in the project and talking about Tull being on ice. Only question is, was this planned from the get-go, or was the decision to make a sequel so controversial within the ranks of the band that Ian said "fine, I'll do it as a solo album so nobody who doesn't want to do it has to be on it". - That said, it's very interesting to see Ian working with a brace of younger musicians - there's Steve Wilson in on the mixing and I see several fairly fresh faces in the trailer. Maybe this is exactly the shakeup the album needed to make it distinctive.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 14:08
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Hey, I heard it in another thread that there is going to be a Thick As A Brick number 2...
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 15:02
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I can't play the trailer when I am now but once I can I will. I fear but some encourageing words throughout this thread so maybe....
Not sure if I want to hear re-used themes (but I guess if it's truely a sequel...) but who knows...until listening I will remain unsure.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 15:23
When are you, the 1500s? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 18:03
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I would sincerely hope that if this were true it is a decent sequel as its almost impossible to top the original here. Queensryche did a sequel to Operation Mindcrime many years later and it did not really work. It was OK but nothing like the masterpiece original. Its too hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice... ------------- 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 18:52
True, but the problem for me here is the quantity of years that have gone by. If Thick as a Brick 2 sounds similar, it'll just be in themes, but sound-wise it'll differ a lot (I think), due to modern production and other instruments being used. Heck, that Hammond that you hear in the trailer is just not my cup-of-tea, I want John Evans' old masterful B3. Cause there's the case of A Passion Play, which, ok, there's splitted fans, but I think no one can deny it's very different from Thick as a Brick and yet managed to be a rather original Prog affair, be it good or bad.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 02:46
Haha. What...You don't have a time machine? ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 02:48
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Well, got to listen to that youtube vid on the first page and damn...I have to say, it sounds very promising. I almost hope this isn't a hoax now. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 03:25
Then we'll just have to wait for Pink Floyd, regrouping for Atom Heart Grandmother. -------------
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 06:18
I hear Rush is offering a nice one. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 10:38
| Well, after hearing the trailer, I'm less skeptical. I still plan to approach it with low expectations. Which it would be hard for me not to do, as I cringe at any sort of "musical sequel". They generally are disasters. Still, reusing themes from the original does make it more appealing than something totally new that just carries the same name and some lyrical themes. Of course, that could also make it seem hopelessly retro and a matter of cashing in on past glories......which is still how this feels to me. But I'll wait until I hear it to decide. |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 11:08
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I'm just gonna say it: it's gonna suck hard. I really can't see how this can turn out good in any way. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 12:39
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Fascinating. Ian Anderson has voiced a certain amount of contempt for progressive rock for the last two decades, and the last time he recorded anything like progressive rock was 1982. Still, the video contains some promising snatches of music. It looks like I'm set to pay attention to Jethro Tull again. ------------- sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 16:46
Oh no, in the snippets he is singing. Can't he just let the music do the talking? Still reckon these are just a bunch of songs recorded over the last decade with his Ian Anderson solo group I.e. with Florian as lead guitarist. Martin Barre would not have been around as he lives in Canada. Derek Schulman says "Hey Ian do you have any songs for a Prog album?" Anderson says "yes"...... Maybe we can string them all together ....."oh it's 40 years since TAAB.....let's call it TAAB2" Little work required as the majority of this was probably in the can ages ago. Maybe I'm wrong. But at least one of those titles put forward that is on the new album has been in the live set for a few years now.
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Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 05:02
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Three tracks are older, he claims to have written the rest around February 2011 (I do remember an interview last year about "finishing the scoring of an entire album in Sibelius, but not starting recording until October"). There were some more snippets played during a radio interview a couple of days ago. I'm actually pleasantly surprised by Anderson's singing, though. What I mind the most about these snippets is the drumming. It's even more robotic than Doane Perry's. I do kind of admire the risk Ian Anderson is taking here, out of all things he could have done this is the least safe. With this "TaaB2" he could either regain or completely lose his credibility.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 05:18
The drummer is James Duncan (Anderson) i.e. Ian's son. Yes doesn't look to complex but we shoulnt come to a conclusion from one small snippet. Doane Perry is a brilliant drummer BTW...I wish I had as much talent as he has in his little finger.......his left little finger AND just the end bit of the left little finger.
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Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 06:13
By no means do I belittle Doane Perry's drumming, he's a top professional, and I love his work on "Catfish Rising" and "Roots to Branches", I just have a soft spot for "busy" and "over the top" drumming styles.  From what I've read, the new drummer isn't James Duncan, but Scott Hammond. ^^ Keeping track of the Anderson band members is difficult for me. :-p
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Posted By: SMSM
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 13:55
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I agree about Anderson's egotism. I remember JT doing an acoustic concert and him stopping in the middle of a songs because some people were occassionally coughing. Uh - these are normal body responses that happens in all concerts and musicians just normally put up with so long as not contnually coughing.
Anyways, too often part 2 of anything is very very poor in quality to part 1. Sounds like IA is trying to capitalize on a good selling past recording.
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Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 06:37
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Anderson asks himself Questions about the album http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSuI-_Xj3Bg ------------- Give me all the Forests, give me all the Trees give me everything as long is it for free
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 07:30
It's official - Ian's lost it. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: February 06 2012 at 08:06
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Ian interviews himself! ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 10:38
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@Hemulen: Thanks for the clip!
After listening to coworkers/the wife/the radio all talk about Madona during Super Bowl half-time, I am now on my knees
shouting to the almighty above in thanks that there are still people like Ian Anderson doing his sort of thing.
As has been pointed out, sequels are almost never as good, Wakeman sure failed with Journey II & White Rock II, but
I for one will have a go at this attempt by Ian. Yes, Martin Barre seems absent, but Ian has been the one to write almost all lyrics & melodies, and yeah, change happens. If the record is good, I am sure I won't miss Martin. People talk about there always being a YES, but then they freak out when the change that is needed for that happens. Do we wait until all a band's members are dead before new artists can carry on their music??? Naw, I'll put faith in Ian that he will surround himself with great musicians on the new Tull record. Or you can always buy Madonna's latest!  ------------- "Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 10:44
Or, following the revolutions... In The Parliament House Of The Crimson President ...sorry, best I could come up with at the moment... Cynic that I am considering its release date, it's a bloody good joke if they've gone so far as to put it up on Amazon already http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thick-As-Brick-Ian-Anderson/dp/B0073XORCY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328632642&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow - This title will be released on April 2, 2012. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 10:56
He may protest and make theater as much as he can, but he's a Progger who IMO tried to keep a distance from an unpopular genre. If he ever was successful, was when he made Prog albums. All his other formulas ave failed, so he has to come back to Prog....But he never will admit it. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 11:19
So long as he doesn't release Under Wraps 2  -------------
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Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: February 14 2012 at 06:54
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Steven Wilson about the Album: Another recent surprise is the news that you’ve mixed Ian Anderson’s Thick as a Brick 2, the sequel to the famous Jethro Tull album. Describe your interest in participating in that project. It was a natural development after having mixed the original Thick as a Brick album into surround, as well as doing a new stereo mix. While we were working on that for EMI, Ian said to me “I’ve written Thick as a Brick 2.” I said “That’s interesting.” He told me about this very interesting concept of what would have happened to Gerald Bostock, the eight-year-old kid that supposedly wrote the lyrics, originally. He said it looks at what path his life would have taken. It sounded like a really interesting concept. But I’ll be perfectly honest, part of me also was very skeptical that he could pull it off. There’s always a danger in doing a sequel and it doesn’t just apply to music but to movies and books—it can never live up to the expectation if the original is an established classic, as Thick as a Brick is. I talked with Ian about it and said “If you’re going to do it, you have to do it with the original musical palette. You have to go back and use acoustic guitar, flutes, harpsichords, glockenspiels, and all the things that made the original special. You have to keep it a very organic record and almost go back to the spirit of 1972.” He seemed totally onboard with that and the record is good. I’m not going to say it’s as good as the original, but it’s a very strong piece of work and a credible attempt by one of the legends of ‘70s progressive music to recapture the zeitgeist and feeling of their greatest work. We’re living in a time when a lot of bands are looking around and seeing that the climate has changed so much over the last 20 years. Many feel the right thing to do is perhaps go back and revisit what made their reputation. Yes famously did a return to that last year. For 20-30 years, classic progressive music was incredibly unpopular and unfashionable. I was talking to Steve Hackett about this. He feels for the first time that people actually appreciate the work he did in the ‘70s. He feels it’s only in the last three or four years that he’s begun to feel people value that work as his greatest achievement. For 30 years, he was told it was sh*t, that he was a dinosaur, and that the music was worthless and no-one was ever going to want to listen to that hippie stuff again. I cannot underestimate how these guys were brainwashed. Robert Fripp and Ian Anderson feel the same. They were brainwashed by the media into thinking everything they did in the ‘70s was worthless junk. It’s almost like abused child syndrome. It took a great amount of reassurance for them to begin to believe that people love that stuff and that it’s the work that their reputation will ultimately rest on. I experienced that with Robert when we worked on the remix of King Crimson’s Lizard. He said “Why do you want to do this Steven? No-one likes the record. Everyone hates it, including me.” I said “I’m going to change people’s minds.” I’m so proud to say that happened. One of the greatest moments of my life is when that album was reissued and received astonishing reviews. David Fricke in Rolling Stone said “Lizard is revealed to be the greatest King Crimson album of all.” Mojo gave it five out of five stars. Robert was astonished. And I was vindicated because I really believed all those records that had been ignored and sidelined for years, mainly by the media, but also by fans, were really coming of age. In a sense, they were so far ahead of their time, and now is their time. They sound extraordinary. This is really key for me. Going back to Thick as a Brick 2, now is the time for Ian to go back and do this project. He never would have considered this in a million years even five years ago, and that goes to show you how the mood and climate has changed towards this music. So, finally people like Ian, Robert and Steve feel “You know what? People do really love that work. They really appreciate it. That was my best work and my most creative period. I can still do that music and people still want to hear it.” There’s now an incredible sense of enthusiasm with regards to Thick as a Brick 2. People have told me they haven’t seen Ian this enthusiastic about a new record for a very, very long time. source http://www.innerviews.org/inner/wilson.html ------------- Give me all the Forests, give me all the Trees give me everything as long is it for free
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: February 14 2012 at 07:54
 ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 14 2012 at 19:17
Very cool statements from Mr Wilson. I hope he is right on everything... I have the feeling he is. |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: February 14 2012 at 21:44
Perhaps you are forgetting about the "Creast of a Knave" album? - not a real heavy metal album, but a prog album indeed, and quite a decent one in the 80s.
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Posted By: Meddle71
Date Posted: February 14 2012 at 23:53
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I'm actually quite excited for this, even though that may be a mistake. I really like Thick as a Brick, but I don't listen to it all too often, so if this does turn out to be very similar to the original, I'll probably just treat them both as a double album! It would be way harder to do that if you'd been listening to TAAB fairly regularly for 40 years though. ------------- And everything under the sun is in tune But the sun is eclipsed by the moon |
Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 08:02
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I don't want to die from a blood clot in my brain, so I'd like to sum this up simple and calmly... 1. A Passion Play was not dense. 2. John Evan, Martin Barre, Barriemore Barlow, and Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond don't deserve to be insulted so. 3. Steven Wilson brown nosed his way to fame throughout his entire music career. 4.
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 08:57
| Can someone change the title to Ian Anderson to release TAAB 2 instead of Jethro Tull since it's not a Tull album ? |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 09:20
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Jethro Tull is what Ian Anderson calls Jethro Tull, so yeah if he calls "Ian Anderson's Jethro Tull"- then fine. Jethro is Ian Anderson. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 10:40
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Fweeeee!!!
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 11:52
Seriously?? Nothing to do with talent? His production abilities? I simply and calmly disagree. I think he is very talented at putting together an album. I also think he has worked hard to get where he is. Others (Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Anathema, Opeth, etc.) all seem to think he has talent - especially when it comes to the 5.1 mixes. |
Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 15 2012 at 18:51
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Being a brown noser has little to do with talent or production abilities. It has more to do with remixing legendary compositions that he would have no clue how to write himself.
I tried to get into his music & PT because I think he has good musical taste for a musician of this generation, and sure he has an ear for atmosphere and sound, but he's got so many flaws involving juvenile lyrics, commercialized marketing of his song format, and egotistical collaborations that hardly deliver anything substantial. Like most musicians of his time, he manages to blend in a genre of original musicians without being original himself. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 15:49
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 02:04
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Very obviously a commercial decision. I've pre-ordered it yet I only own a couple of Tull albums + DVD.
there is a song about Wootton Bassett so that's quite interesting at least.
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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 09:51
Hi SirJethro,
 Thanks for this wonderful article. I find it very illuminating, and I do think Steven Wilson is dead on with his opinions.
Only prog has been "trashed" by the media. Punk, hair band-metal, bubble-gum pop, et. al. have come and go. And the media just left them alone while other music forms became "popular". Only prog was condemned and trashed so, this could be debated endlessly, I have no idea why frankly. Maybe its part of the saying that no true artist is appreciated in his time?
Without a doubt classic YES - ELP - Genesis - Tull, etc..will live forever. The Sex Pistols - Bay City Rollers - Bare Naked Ladies, I doubt that. Hey "Flock Of Seagulls & Adam Ant! Wassup baby??? (yeah people.... what you are hearing is the sound of silence.....)
@TealFoxes: : Do you have a 5.1 setup or have you heard Steven's 5.1 mixes on a 5.1 system???
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Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 20 2012 at 16:55
No I don't have a 5.1 setup but I have heard Steven's 5.1 mixes from a friend who has one and loves Steven Wilson. Personally, something like this doesn't necessarily move me. I think it's time away from actual songwriting and exploring one's technique, which also ties into more brown nosing. I just don't see the charm in any of this. The artists I consider the most progressive and attractive are the ones with a sense of unity and genuine authentic grace. All that's been produced from what I've heard lately is narrow-minded apathy regardless of it's complexity directed towards either violent heavy metal aggression or by-the-numbers computer work. This might be the result of standards continuously falling fast and falling hard. Though to be fair dennis, I admire Steven Wilson's effort for his interest and pursuing it. Sometimes my personal issues interfere with my perspective towards art. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 12:23
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 12:29
What the hell are you talking about? Just because it's not your tastes doesn't mean he brown nosed his way to fame.
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Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 12:37
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His painfully obvious and shameless brown nosing has nothing to do with the audience's taste. Take it easy, disgruntled porcupine... sigh |
Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 13:19
Hey Dude,
 You lost me. What doesn't move you? 5.1? Lemme know. I wanna explore this more as I thouight you said some pretty heady stuff at the end of your paragraph.
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Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 14:50
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Yep, I was referring to 5.1's; because it seems overtly textured with making the sound channels sound farther apart from each other than they need to be. This also seems pretty snobbish to people who can't afford a 5.1. Don't natural headphones make the listening experience more whole, not to mention reasonably affordable? I mean It's fine if you want them, but I think this is a way guys like Steven Wilson overblow sound equipment to the point where they make money without having to provide substantial material. To sum this up, I really don't like the direction technology (and obviously music) is taking in this generation. I'm certainly not feeling any enchantment towards musicians who direct their energy towards engineering for a rich wealthier audience exclusively...
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 17:31
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^ Mehhh.....I don't consider it a play on the "rich wealthier audience...". Its more a play on the equipment most people have in their homes now that is geared towards home theater (DVD, HD, Surround Sound, 5.1, Flat Screen monitors...)
I mean you can get 5.1 DVD setup from Sony for $400 or even less from like Sharp...or even less from Walmart. And also high end 5.1 for upwards of $3K+
In general I agree though, its music and it should be heard thru a well designed 2 channel system.......I am a huge fan of SW's mixing/remastering efforts, I think he does a great job.
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 17:56
DVD players have gone down in price since you last shopped, I think, you can now get them for as little as $30. (I did, and it actually worked fine as a CD player except it made a clicking noise. So I returned it and have been without a working CD player for almost 3 months now)
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Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 19:37
Quality is the measure that remixing is based on, though. So the higher quality meant for his projects, the higher a profit he can receive in doing so. I'm afraid this might be encouraging other musicians to go down the same road, stray away from inventive ambition once they've established themselves and make money off trivial efforts (trivial at least compared to being a musical composer). I honestly believe Steven Wilson does his efforts because he has an interest to do so, but from what I've heard from material he's written for PT as well as his solo efforts, he milks his strength in atmosphere as if it's becoming a marketing gimmick. I think it's clear what his intentions are and I certainly don't support them. Also, I think it's ironic that the music fans I know who are the most open-minded, progressive and adventurous spirits I've ever met are the one's who don't have the majority of these equipments because they can only make ends meat... but that's only from my experience. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 21 2012 at 20:37
I don't get your point. And never. I got a name to live up to, dammit!
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Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 04:53
| I'm actually looking forward to hear the remixed versions of Thick as a Brick or A Passion Play (the latter hopefully with some of the instrumental tracks removed, thank you Mr. Anderson for willing to do so) more than I was to Aqualung, which, in my opinion, didn't really need one (and, thankfully, they've chosen not to meddle with my favourite Tull album, Benefit). Both ...Brick and ... Play are thoughtfully composed works and I think they could benefit from some, as Ian Anderson put it in a recent interview, "sonic clarity" (although it's a fine line between sonic clarity and making a record sound inhomogeneous). I'm not familiar with most of Steven Wilson's production work, but what I've heard sounds quite competent. We'll see. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 06:09
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I don't care much about crystal-clear sound production, but I guess the production will be on par with Roots To Branches and Dot Com. And frankly, not even the musicality is my biggest concern here: I'm curious to know will Anderson be able to do a coherent story about Gerald Bostock today (perhaps with his sharp cynicism and poetic observations) rather than a disjointed patchwork leaning on his past glory. I would like to hear Barre's guitar and Evan's Hammond, but that's not going to happen. However, I'm sure Ian will surround himself with competent musicians. If Andrew Giddins will play keyboards and have some share in arrangements the result might get interesting. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 06:55
I'm really not too keen on that type of revisionism, but being forewarned means I don't have to bother with those versions. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:17
I don't think it's revisionism. I think in many cases, it's what the artist wanted all along but couldn't have with 70's technology. At least, that is what the members of Genesis claimed about the remixes put out a few years ago. I think it's a perfectly sensible position for them to have as well. Still, it's also understandable that fans know and love the original and don't like the thought of it changing, and may well not like the changes themselves. For me personally, as long as they are not doing overdubs or changing actual performances, I'm always interested to hear remixes and re-masters and judge them on their merits. I love the Genesis remixes of the Gabriel stuff, though on Lamb and Selling England I can't really hear any difference from the original. |
Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:53
Neither am I, but I don't think that is the case here. Arrangement-wise, Tull never played A Passion Play live the way it was recorded. In my opinion (and maybe Ian's too, since he spoke about this), the decently documented live versions from the 1973 tour had everything the studio version lacked: more guitar/keyboards/winds interplay, less over-arranging and doodling. The studio version sounds like the band is trying to cover up their lack of confidence about the new album by trying to be clever for clever's sake (Side 1 especially, for example, the motif in the "Memory Bank" number is played by a guitar, an organ, a Moog and a piano in unison, the intro has the main theme played on the guitar [mixed so low it's barely audible] with two sopranino sax overdubs playing parallel sixths above it. Why?!). I just hope that the remix of A Passion Play doesn't come down to "I don't like the saxophone now, so let's delete all tracks of me playing the saxophone".
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:08
Andrew Giddings left Tull in 2007, John O'Hara replaced him and imho is nowhere near as good as Giddings. So no Giddings input into TAAB2 unless Ian used some pre 2007 tapes......which wouldn't surprise me at all. Check out Giddings' My Space site here: http://www.myspace.com/andrewgiddingsmusic He also has a relatively new album called "Picture This" if anyone is interested. A big loss to Tull. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:46
What a pity. He was my favourite "newer" Tull musician. Great work on Ian's Divinities, and great (and funny!) live performer. |
Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 15:37
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I'm gonna keep a open mind and listen to it and see what I think. I just wish the line-up from the first album (Anderson, Barre, Hammond, Barlow and Evan) was there then I'd be very excited -------------  
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 24 2012 at 09:57
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: February 24 2012 at 13:57
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There are some joys in life you just got to let go of over time. I'm just happy to know that IA hasn't gone into retire mode like many other 'older' artists.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 24 2012 at 16:33
Great post. I agree with most of this, although I am looking forward to the 5.1 remix of TAAB.
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:04
| Does anybody knows if Ian mentionned the album will flow like the first one or it will be a succession of songs like for example Songs from the Wood. I know Ian revealed the title of each songs but I'm wondering (and I hope) if it's going to be like A Passion Play. |
Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: March 05 2012 at 06:49
They've put samples of four tracks from the album on the Tull website. I'm not awestruck, but they're okay and melodious (although quite 'stiff'), though they sound more like War Child stuff (sounds like the Lydian mode is Ian's scale of the day  ). His voice really doesn't sound bad, I mean, it's far from the voice of a 25-year old, but it doesn't distract from the music and fits the 'Gerald Bostock as an old man' character quite well.What I found more entertaining is the review written by Adrian Stone-Mason, son of Julian Stone-Mason. He gave the album a three out of five: http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/stonemasonreview.html" rel="nofollow - http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/stonemasonreview.html
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: March 06 2012 at 01:25
I just received the new edition of "A New Day" magazine with a recent interview with IA that asks this question and it appears that all the songs flow into each other a la TAAB1.
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Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: March 11 2012 at 07:44
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New Samples on the j-tull website. http://www.jethrotull.com/ Edit: Amazon has them all http://www.amazon.com/Thick-As-A-Brick-2/dp/B007J7LFTW/ref=mb_oe_o?tag=533643275-20 ------------- Give me all the Forests, give me all the Trees give me everything as long is it for free
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Posted By: tullspanfan
Date Posted: March 12 2012 at 11:49
| There seems to have some great songs in it. I think it's sounds more like Rupi's Dance than Taab (which is good I think). The spoken parts remind me of the readings in the second disc of the JT Christmas Album. |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: March 13 2012 at 02:35
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Now having listened to the samples I am totally underwhelmed by this project. Anderson should have called this Rupi's Dance 2 not TAAB2; cos all these songs sound like Rupis Dance (which is a terrible offering). IMHO TAAB2 is a big con job ..Anderson has used that name just to sell more units. Doesn't Anderson get it? His voice is gone to the sh*te. STOP SINGING!!!!! Make an instrumental album, get Barre back. Make THAT instrumental album that Tull needed to record and then retire. I sure know now why Martin is doing things on his own. IA's ego will not accept that his voice is gone. Quite sad really. Then again samples don't always do justice to songs BUT I don't hold much hope for TAAB2.
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Posted By: Ludjak
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 07:33
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http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/lyricsenglish.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/lyricsenglish.pdf
I like these a lot, but great lyrics do not a great album make (i.e. War Child, Minstrel in the Gallery, Stormwatch). Two weeks and we'll see.
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Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 09:18
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Well I like Minstrel and Stormwatch a lot. ;D I'm looking forward to TaaB 2.
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Posted By: tullspanfan
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 11:44
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I think Minstrel and Stormwatch are pretty good too. That being said, I'm more excited about the upcoming Martin Barre release, which should be revealed soon. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 12:44
Me too! I also like *gasp* "Under Wraps"... ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: SirJethro
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 20:12
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Wow, awesome! http://www.planetrock.com/news/rock-news/ian-anderson-returns-to-planet-rock-3614/" rel="nofollow - " http://www.planetrock.com/news/rock-news/ian-anderson-returns-to-planet-rock-3614/ Besides, for the full version of Banker Bets, Banker wins, click on the green 'On Demand icon' on the mainpage, and scroll to the Rob Birnie Show for Monday March 19 and Ian starts @ 3:24:42. It is only available for 7 days so listen while you can. Banker Bets, Banker Wins starts @ 3:34:18." ------------- Give me all the Forests, give me all the Trees give me everything as long is it for free
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 20:16
+1 Cool Avy btw ------------- |