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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 17:51

You should listen to what King Crimson and Rush had done in this era.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 18:04
IMO Eloy's best came with their first 3 of the 80s - Colours, Planets, and Time to Turn
Camel's Stationary Traveler may not be their best but it is a high point
Outer Limits put out a few strong albums in the 80s
David Sylvian "Secrets of the Beehive"
Mike Oldfield's QE2 and 5 Miles Out
Amenophis s/t
Pererin "Teithgan" and "Haul Ar Yr Eira"
Anyone's Daughter's "In Blau" and "Neu Sterne" are both up there
Asia Minor "Between Flesh and Divine"
Osiris s/t and "Myths and Legends"
Asturcon s/t
Blue Oyster Cult "Fire of Unknown Origin"
Itoiz "Ezekiel"
Magdalena s/t (The Basque group)
Novalis "Augenblicke"
Sally Oldfield "Celebration"
Pablo El Enterrador s/t
Rebekka "Phoenix"
Rousseau "Retreat"
Alan Stivell "Terre Des Vivants"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 21:32
There wasn't so many classics in the 80s and a few of the big groups had gone commercial, however Marillion, King Crimson, and Jethro Tull were still putting out quality work. Prog is at its best since the 70s now, though, in my humble opinion, since its no longer such a bad word anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 22:35
The 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s were pretty bad for prog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 22:46
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

The 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s were pretty bad for prog. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2012 at 01:10
there where a couple of good albums in the 80s like 
operation mindcrime
gutter ballet
permanent waves and moving pictures
nude
and every iron maiden album

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2012 at 02:22
I can add DUN - EROS ,crazy amazing music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 12:58
Yes, you nailed that one right.

And not to forget the stuff Art Zoyd made in the 80's. That probably has been mentioned in this thread already,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:31
I think a lot of the well established prog groups did horribly in the 80s, but that isn't to say that all things progressive in this decade were ape snot. On the contrary the avant scene was sprawling and vibrant - and a lot of ex-communistic countries saw a huge surge of people finally getting their hands on records from the preceding decade - starting to make their own stuff - totally bereft of that plastic metallic sound most of the giants had now adopted.
The MAINSTREAM scene progwise was bad though. I will agree to that, but like all eras of music - once you scratch the surface, a whole new world emerges - especially if you are not afraid of venturing out beyond the confines of English speaking countries. It is pretty damn easy now with the internet and all too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:41
More necrophilia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 13:47
Just remembered another 80's goodie!!
HOWEVER
Amazing, high standard, eclectic prog outfit which not a lot of people are familiar with.
Worth looking for!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 14:59
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Cindy Lauper & The Stray Cats   Big smile     LOL
 
 
Did somebody say RUSH???   WTF???  Confused
 
1980's was a decade of transition in studio recording. Drum machines and sequencing, in the most redundant and simple mechanical patterns were basically mandated.  I am not sure it was technically possible to make a good album in that decade. 
 
U2 ruled the 1980's.  What else can be said?  The Musical Dark Ages for sure.
 
Then....
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:12
Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite was released in '89.

I think the 00's are the best era...but that's probably because I'm more into Progressive Metal, and there has been a TON of it in the 00's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:45
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Cindy Lauper & The Stray Cats   Big smile     LOL
 
 
Did somebody say RUSH???   WTF???  Confused
 
1980's was a decade of transition in studio recording. Drum machines and sequencing, in the most redundant and simple mechanical patterns were basically mandated.  I am not sure it was technically possible to make a good album in that decade. 
 
U2 ruled the 1980's.  What else can be said?  The Musical Dark Ages for sure.
 
Then....
 
Hail 1990!.  Hail Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom!  The Renaissance of modern recording. Smile


Lots of RIO/Avant, and related (for instance, Zeuhl ones and some in Eclectic) bands made their best album in the 80s.  Univers Zero was great throughout the 80s, and I don't think UZ has released any poor albums even though I like some more than others, but for me UZ's best one was the 1977 debut.  Present, I think, which released its first album in 1980 but continues strong, released two really great ones in 1980 and 1985.  Included in Zeuhl, Shub-Niggurath's slf-titled and le Morts vont Vite from 1986 are terrific.

I revived this long-dead thread about a year ago mentioning Art Zoyd, which I think was terrific in the 80s, as well as in the late 70s, and I love later albums -- especially Haxan and Faust from the 90s.  Generation Sans Futur which was released in 1980 I have proclaimed before as my favourite album by any band in PA, and Art Zoyd is about my favourite band with lots of releases I love.  Les Espaces Inquiets from 1983 is another particular favourite of mine by Art Zoyd, but I love the band throughout that decade.

Hell, I even mostly love the much reviled Magma album from the 80s.

And the Samla/Zamla/Von Zamla conglomerate relased my favourite album of thos in 1980 with Zamla Mammaz Manna's Familjesprickor (though some don't consider 1980 to be the start of the 80s, but not me).  And then there's plenty of great Progressive Electronic albums from the 80s.

Incidentally, one of my favourite 80s bands is After Dinner from Japan.

I really can't think of a bad decade when it comes to music, and that goes for eras of prog, especially if one considers a wider umbrella, too.  For me the 80s is really strong since there are so many PA-category worthy albums from that decade that I frequently return to, and have for years.  I don't meant to sound pedantic and silly, t but I actually don't really think of the 80s as an era per se when it comes to prog even though one talks about 80s music.  It's an extension of the late 70s which is an extension of the mid-70s etc.  mnay of my favourite 80s albums came from bands and artists who were already active and making similar music in the late 70s.  One can debate if it's the worst decade overall, for me no, but it's not a really defined era for me.  Lots of fashions that prospered in the 80s, and fashions changed during that decade.... But I'll stop there before I ramble even more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 15:46
Script, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures are some of my favorite albums ever. So I guess the 80's were alright. Sadly, Rush went downhill, and Marillion has never matched Script. Though, I was born in the 90's, so I'd have no idea what it must have been like when all the prog bands just stopped.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 17:21
Originally posted by MattGuitat MattGuitat wrote:

Script, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures are some of my favorite albums ever. So I guess the 80's were alright. Sadly, Rush went downhill, and Marillion has never matched Script. Though, I was born in the 90's, so I'd have no idea what it must have been like when all the prog bands just stopped.

it's interesting.  the early 80s (80-83) were very good and eclectic.  all the big prog bands made good albums.  production went to sh*t by 1985.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:38
After I attempted to list the top 1000 albums I found that the 80s were the most sparse as far as reviews and as far as masterpiece albums - there is no doubt the 80s had some brilliant albums but simply did not measure up to the other decades following the 70s - the golden era of prog.

Heres the list of 80s albums you must hear before you die... as far as ratings and notoriety are concerned:

Some of these are only listed due to one or two excellent songs but nevertheless heres the list which is way less than any of the albums from the 70s or 90s or beyond.



1980

471

Permanent Waves
Rush

 

472

Memento Z Banalnym Tryptykiem
SBB

473

Peter Gabriel (3 - "Melt")
Peter Gabriel

474

Dialog s vesmírem
Progres 2

475

Familjesprickor (Family Cracks) 
Zamla Mammaz Manna

476

Levitation 
Hawkwind

477

Defector
Steve Hackett

478

Commercial Album
The Residents

479

Colours
Eloy

480

Duke
Genesis

481

The Turn Of A Friendly Card
Alan Parsons Project

482 - live

Harmonium En Tournée
Harmonium

483 - live

Live Seventy Nine
Hawkwind

484 - live

Yesshows
Yes

1981

485

Moving Pictures
Rush

486

Eros
Dün

487

Alturas de Macchu Picchu
Los Jaivas

488

Mystical Adventures
Jean-Luc Ponty

489

Between Flesh and Divine 
Asia Minor

490

4 Visions
Eskaton

491

Discipline
King Crimson

492

Planets
Eloy

493

Computer World (Computerwelt)
Kraftwerk

494

Nude
Camel

495

This Heat

Deceit

496 – live

 

Retrospektďẁ I-II

Magma

497 – live

Exit... Stage Left
Rush

1982

498

Signals
Rush

499

Ambient 4 : On Land
Brian Eno

500

Peter Gabriel (4 - "Security" or "Mask")
Peter Gabriel

501

Time To Turn
Eloy

502

In Blau
Anyone's Daughter

503

Fact And Fiction 
Twelfth Night

504

Five Miles Out
Mike Oldfield

505

Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
Frank Zappa

506

The Broadsword And The Beast
Jethro Tull

507

Eye In The Sky
Alan Parsons Project

1983

508

Depois Do Fim
Bacamarte

509

Script For A Jester's Tear
Marillion

510

Tales From The Lush Attic
IQ

511

Amenophis
Amenophis

512

Heads Or Tales
Saga

513

Crises
Mike Oldfield

514 – live

Plays Live
Peter Gabriel

515 – live

Logos... Live At The Dominion - London
Tangerine Dream

1984

516

Uzed
Univers Zero

517

Marsbéli Krónikák (Martian Chronicles) 
Solaris

518

Fugazi
Marillion

519

Obras De Violeta Parra
Los Jaivas

520

Grace Under Pressure
Rush

521

Brilliant Trees 
David Sylvian

522

The Sentinel
Pallas

523 – live

Real to Reel
Marillion

1985

524

Misplaced Childhood
Marillion

525

Le Poison Qui Rend Fou
Present

526

Metal Fatigue
Allan Holdsworth

527

The Wake
IQ

528

Energetic Disassembly
Watchtower

529

Brother Where You Bound 
Supertramp

530

Power Windows
Rush

531

The Chronicle of the Black Sword
Hawkwind

532

The Spectre Within 
Fates Warning

1986

533

Awaken The Guardian
Fates Warning

534

Rage For Order 
Queensr˙che

535

Les Morts Vont Vite
Shub-Niggurath

536

Heatwave
Univers Zero

 

537

So
Peter Gabriel

538 - live

Pergamon - Live at the 'Palast der Republik' GDR
Tangerine Dream

539 – live

Does Humor Belong In Music?
Frank Zappa

540 – live

Live Chronicles
Hawkwind

1987

541

Clutching at Straws 
Marillion

542

Secrets of The Beehive 
David Sylvian

543

Killing Technology
Voivod

544

Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
Dead Can Dance

545

Hall of the Mountain King
Savatage

1988

546

A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window 
Cardiacs

547

Operation: Mindcrime
Queensr˙che

548

Dimension Hatross 
Voivod

549

Spirit Of Eden
Talk Talk

550

Transcendence
Crimson Glory

551

No Exit 
Fates Warning

552 – live

You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2
Frank Zappa

553 - live

The Thieving Magpie - La Gazza Ladra
Marillion

1989

554

Nothingface
Voivod

555

Perfect Symmetry 
Fates Warning

556

Passion
Peter Gabriel

557

Naked City
Naked City

558

Control and Resistance
Watchtower

559

Sacred Baboon
Yezda Urfa

560

Reflections


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:42
Yea - as a big Rush fan, Signals and Permanent Waves really invalidate this claim. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:50
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Yea - as a big Rush fan, Signals and Permanent Waves really invalidate this claim. 

Definitely - and Moving Pictures for Rush!. Its still a fact that the 80s was the toughest time for most prog bands. Some bowed out altogether and some just became commercial pop <cough>Genesis<cough>.

Then Marillion came along and kept the dream alive by reinventing prog with Neo.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 21:30
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Rush, Marillion, Kate Bush, Art Zoyd, Talk Talk, King Crimson, Fates Warning, Peter Gabriel all released albums that might be counted among their best in the 80s. 

Prog as such was not a force in the mainstream but perhaps that is also on account of rather inflexible notions of prog (without meaning to fuel the prog v/s progressive debate again)? 

Seriously, the 80s had Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Swans, Police.  The 80s was surely the most important and defining decade for metal.  On the jazzy side, Alan Holdsworth and Donald Fagen unleashed their solo careers.  I believe Metheny had a very fruitful 80s too, though I am not familiar with his 80s albums.

I wonder what it is that makes people focus on the Madonnas and Spandau Ballets of the 80s but not the Eagles and Olivia Newton Johns of the 70s or the Celine Dions of the 90s or the Shakiras of the noughties, etc.   But the notion of 80s being a wholesale abomination has taken root so firmly now that it seems to be unshakable.  Pity, because there were many wonderful artists who released great albums in that decade as well.



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