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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:50
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Greg Lake was always a teenage girl now wasn't he?
that's right

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:32
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Not to mention "when the admins don't belittle people, arbitrarily change things without conferring to the rest of the memberbase, acknowledge reasonable suggestions and discussion by locking threads etc."

Please, tell me which thread and discussions we've shut-down locked down Colin, because I know there have been one or two that we let run until they got acrimonious and petty before having little choice but to close them, yet the way you all go on it makes it sound like we're doing this on a daily basis.

Curious about this one, myself... makes me wonder if I've been doing enough

< Wink to denote nasty admin only joking, really.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:34
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Greg Lake was always a teenage girl now wasn't he?
that's right

 
Reason 1:  Someone Somewhere always manages to make me laugh.
 
 
 
However, there are limits, and this kind of offensive post manages to destroy all that good feeling.  Where are the moderators when you need thm?  Hmm? Probably on some porn site. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:51
^ no, they're right above your post

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:04
Actually, I was trying to think of a way to link Greg Lake being a young female with the concept of man-boobs in later life...

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This is not an invitation!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:33
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:


Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

5. No swearing - at least not of the profane variety... and F bombs are censored, unlike countless sites, and some forums <cough> IMdb <cough>Censored
So censorship is good? ConfusedI agree with most of your list, but I couldn't disagree more with this.

Yes it is good.
I don't think it is.

I know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:52
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:


Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

5. No swearing - at least not of the profane variety... and F bombs are censored, unlike countless sites, and some forums <cough> IMdb <cough>Censored
So censorship is good? ConfusedI agree with most of your list, but I couldn't disagree more with this.

Yes it is good.
I don't think it is.


If you swore at my mother, wife or daughter I would censor you with my fist. That is not a threat, just an example of why we censor swear words.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 05:46
I like the fact that my son, and even my wife when she wants to see what cobblers I'm spouting, can come onto the site and see no porn, swearing, or other forms of behaviour that they would find offensive or disturbing. And, by and large, the discussions here are humerous, informative, fun. I think I've only lost my temper twice here since I've joined - it's a damn sight more at, for example, work.

When I joined I was stuck in a kind of rut with prog. The majority of the stuff I bought was by "established" artists. This site has enabled me to fall in love with it all over again by simply experiencing the huge array of great new music out there. There are also some extremely knowledgeable people here who I learn a lot from.

A bonus has been the opportunity to get to know very talented artists who are kind enough to send me free music and trust me to do a review on their work without any kind of expectations.

The site is, quibbles and moans aside, extremely well managed as a rule, and I have also made some very good friends here.

I love this site and have no interest in going anywhere else at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 05:53
Good post Steve. 
And I'm with you on the swearing thing.   It just isn't necessary, and it's almost refreshing to find a place that has an expectation of such a courtesy.  It might even make people think a bit more as they have to express themselves without the convenience of the all expressive expletives. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:01
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Good post Steve. 
And I'm with you on the swearing thing.   It just isn't necessary, and it's almost refreshing to find a place that has an expectation of such a courtesy.  It might even make people think a bit more as they have to express themselves without the convenience of the all expressive expletives. 



Thanks Jim.

I absolutely agree, and as an example, one of the two times I lost my temper was actually with a (now) admin, who I won't name.

We had what can only be described as a heated debate about a particular opinion of mine, which was continued via PM from the forum.

Since that debate, we have become firm friends, respecting each others opinions in the process. And all because we actually conducted that debate without resorting to childish and nasty language or bullying each other.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:25
Steve/Jim

You both explained perfectly my own take on the auto-censorship of expletives.

This is a very inclusive site & although it is not possible to avoid the use of certain potty mouth words during one's daily life, that doesn't mean it's OK to scatter them throughout online forum posting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:37
I think keeping swear words out is probably the no.1 reason why the place is agreeable.  Sorry, but once people are allowed to, some nutcases will invariably take undue advantage of liberties and make the forum unpleasant.  I have seen some social groups get run over by trolls running slang matches until eventually the regular members stopped visiting.   I understand that it is not in keeping with a democratic approach to bar people from using certain words but I also don't see why people do need to throw abuses to each other in a discussion, especially when they are not face to face and don't know much about each other on a personal level.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:41
On occasion I swear here. Some times in a jokey way and sometimes out of genuine anger.The auto censor then censors those words reminding me not to go too far. Not to be excessive. That is why I like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:03
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I also don't see why people do need to throw abuses to each other in a discussion, especially when they are not face to face and don't know much about each other on a personal level.


That's the wonder of that internet forum phenomenon, the keyboard hero.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:06
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I also don't see why people do need to throw abuses to each other in a discussion, especially when they are not face to face and don't know much about each other on a personal level.


That's the wonder of that internet forum phenomenon, the keyboard hero.

I agree, people feel emboldened to say things online that they wouldn't want to face to face because they would be afraid of offending the other person.  That is why abuse in the name of freedom of speech doesn't really cut ice with me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:06
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I also don't see why people do need to throw abuses to each other in a discussion, especially when they are not face to face and don't know much about each other on a personal level.


That's the wonder of that internet forum phenomenon, the keyboard hero.

And, to think, once we only had a Market Square HeroLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:11
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

  I don't think it is.

 
We all know what f**k and b*****d means even when they're auto-censored.
 
If we switched off the auto-censor their use here would still be "against the rules" and you would have to censor them yourself.
 
If we switched off the auto-censor and allowed their use here, then you still wouldn't be allowed to call someone a stupid f* or thick b*st*rd.
 
If we permitted people to insult each other here, then how does anyone differentiate between "just joshing around between friends" and an actual targeted personal attack.
 
If we decide we don't really care because that's only a problem for the two people concerned then how does anyone mediate in that process when both parties lodge official complaints against the other.
 
So that really questions how far are you prepared to go in your quest for a non-authoritarian anti-censorship ideology in what is in reality just an indulgent little forum on an indulgent little website dedicated to what is the most indulgent form of popular music in the history of popular culture. Because behind all the bravado and indulgent little screen names and avatars, are real people with real feelings and emotions - little or none of which can ever be expressed in, or interpreted from, a series of short post on an internet forum.
 
It would strike me as "ironic" that the people who b*tch about the auto-censor could get their boxers into a knot because some else referred to something they did as idiotic or said they were ignorant of some fact or facts - mark that ... not called an idiot, or an idiotic person, or an ignoramus or an ignorant person,  which would be a personal attack and defamatory, but referring to something that person did as being idiotic, or remarked that lack of a piece of knowledge was being in ignorance of a particular fact - neither of which is a personal attack nor are they defamatory. Here there would be demands that simple figures of speech required "moderation" and "censuring" by someone in an authoritative role, even though no offense had been intended beyond basic plain speaking.
 
In this case "censoring" is merely preemptive "moderation" and "censuring" - sure that's restrictive on the potential protagonist, but a lot easier on the intended victim.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 08:26
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I like the fact that my son, and even my wife when she wants to see what cobblers I'm spouting, can come onto the site and see no porn, swearing, or other forms of behaviour that they would find offensive or disturbing. And, by and large, the discussions here are humerous, informative, fun. I think I've only lost my temper twice here since I've joined - it's a damn sight more at, for example, work.

When I joined I was stuck in a kind of rut with prog. The majority of the stuff I bought was by "established" artists. This site has enabled me to fall in love with it all over again by simply experiencing the huge array of great new music out there. There are also some extremely knowledgeable people here who I learn a lot from.

A bonus has been the opportunity to get to know very talented artists who are kind enough to send me free music and trust me to do a review on their work without any kind of expectations.

The site is, quibbles and moans aside, extremely well managed as a rule, and I have also made some very good friends here.

I love this site and have no interest in going anywhere else at all.

Great comments here and of course I agree with all this as its on the same wave length of why I continue to come here. Its interesting how many many consider this thread cynical only because it is not spouting off a bunch of negatives. From what I have seen recently there are many who have problems with it but they still continue to come back. At least that speaks volumes that the site is still the best prog site online.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 08:33
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

  I don't think it is.

 
We all know what f**k and b*****d means even when they're auto-censored.
 
If we switched off the auto-censor their use here would still be "against the rules" and you would have to censor them yourself.
 
If we switched off the auto-censor and allowed their use here, then you still wouldn't be allowed to call someone a stupid f* or thick b*st*rd.
 
If we permitted people to insult each other here, then how does anyone differentiate between "just joshing around between friends" and an actual targeted personal attack.
 
If we decide we don't really care because that's only a problem for the two people concerned then how does anyone mediate in that process when both parties lodge official complaints against the other.
 
So that really questions how far are you prepared to go in your quest for a non-authoritarian anti-censorship ideology in what is in reality just an indulgent little forum on an indulgent little website dedicated to what is the most indulgent form of popular music in the history of popular culture. Because behind all the bravado and indulgent little screen names and avatars, are real people with real feelings and emotions - little or none of which can ever be expressed in, or interpreted from, a series of short post on an internet forum.
 
It would strike me as "ironic" that the people who b*tch about the auto-censor could get their boxers into a knot because some else referred to something they did as idiotic or said they were ignorant of some fact or facts - mark that ... not called an idiot, or an idiotic person, or an ignoramus or an ignorant person,  which would be a personal attack and defamatory, but referring to something that person did as being idiotic, or remarked that lack of a piece of knowledge was being in ignorance of a particular fact - neither of which is a personal attack nor are they defamatory. Here there would be demands that simple figures of speech required "moderation" and "censuring" by someone in an authoritative role, even though no offense had been intended beyond basic plain speaking.
 
In this case "censoring" is merely preemptive "moderation" and "censuring" - sure that's restrictive on the potential protagonist, but a lot easier on the intended victim.
 

Yes, Dean exactly! Good points here definitely. If the autocensor goes so will many here and I could be first in line - I find it difficult to tolerate the mindless ramblings of puerile comments I am forced to endure on Imdb, Youtube and MMA. Sorry, but the foul language on those sites is unpleasant and really common. It lowers the standard and makes it look like a bunch of morons are online rather than intellects with something important to say. Swearing is cheap and I am slowly getting tired of people doing it just to act tough when they come across as idiots.

Moview with tons of swearing are also really hard to watch - Watchmen was ruined, Wanted was over indulgent with F bombs, and The Departed had too much swearing to enjoy.

I was very disappointed with a DVD I bought for my wife for Christmas. It was Adele Live at Royal Albert - Despite not really into her style of music I was appalled at her language - she dropped the F bomb in between just about every song - and my kids had to leave the room. Thats just ignorant and totally unnecesary. And then she says in an interview she likes to swear. Stupid goose!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:01
^ I don't mind swearing in films. I watched The Watchmen recently but I don't recall a swearing problem really.
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