10 reasons why Progarchives is best site online
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Topic: 10 reasons why Progarchives is best site online
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Subject: 10 reasons why Progarchives is best site online
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 06:18
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Keeping a positive outlook, I wish to offer my expressions on why I continue to spend countless hours on this humble music site. 1. Friendly community - look, its not perfect, nowhere is, but at least the majority of us are friends and get on really well and there is hardly any bullying from what I have seen.  2. No porn - at least from my POV I have not seen anything like they post on some forums that's disgusting.  3. Reasonable admins that don't disappear when you need to discuss things - I find there's always at least one admin around and they are always reasonable and considerate, only deleting deliberate spammers, trouble makers and annoying clowns.  4. Opportunity to be involved - the opportunity to change from an observer to a Prog Reviewer or collab, or to be on a Team is vast here and its a great thing if a user desires further involvement - their work does not go unacknowledged. The reviews here are always enlightening and showcase a plethora of styles that adds to the enjoyment factor. If one wants to find out what an album may sound like one need only read the reviews.  5. No swearing - at least not of the profane variety... and F bombs are censored, unlike countless sites, and some forums <cough> IMdb <cough>  6. Vast amount of Music knowledge - this is the pace to come to find out more about prog - no question!  7. Massive database of albums - the album database is incredible - I have never seen a site with this much prog! The albums are all here and with a click of a mouse we can see the track listing, artists and album covers of thousands of artists.  8. Massive database of artists - once again there are artists here you will not find elsewhere and thats something to be proud of and the artists themselves are so appreciative! I know that for a fact as they have told the collabs.  9. Gaining wisdom - The progarchives is like a teaching tool - we can learn things about people about the world, news thats going on, the things happening in user's lives, the good and the bad, and sad, and we can empathise with them, and show compassion. I myself know that during my father's deterioration to his eventual passing there was no more comforting place to come online than here, and I was greatly encouraged by the sincere empathy expressed. That is unusual and not something to be taken for granted.  10. Fun factor - Yes, its a fun site with strange people and even stranger threads to laugh at. I have had many laughs myself and hopefully contributed some laughs too. The world can be a positive place of laughter if you look for it.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 06:25
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I actually prefer Wikipedia to find discographys and band info. It is far superior. (except for obscurer bands) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 06:35
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You probably should have made your 10k post out of this. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 07:02
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This is a nice nauseatingly positive OP. But don't worry ACR, people will come out to rain on your parade. I enjoy the discourse with people from places around the world that I'd never get to meet otherwise and may not actually want to. (I don't get out of my neck of the woods much, still haven't been to another country.) This is my first prog site and I'm not particularly interested in exploring others because I do spend so much time here. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 07:24
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^^^ Thats the way it is for me too in many ways. My 10,002nd post here.... -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 08:17
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I don't agree with a couple of those points. But yes it's good. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:02
 ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:38
| Gaining wisdom?......somewhat of a stretch.......wisdom can not be gotten from another |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:45
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Still the best database around for the music I like. I've yet to find a better one. The cool people in the forum are a bonus.
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 09:59
No porn, no swearing, admins, massive database. Boring place, nothing entertaining.  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 10:33
This! And I think the list of ACR applies to MMA (except the swearing... damn, this is a metal site !) and JMA.------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 11:16
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^ Yes, since activity picked up over there, JMA has become my second place to go after PA.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:33
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1. it's not 2. see above etc Oh, your list was "best prog site." Yeah, it's probably that, but hardly the best site on the internet as the thread title says. I think you underestimate how many websites there are. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:39
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I feel like I felt in a trap set up by the Carebears and the Little Ponies. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:46
This place is, by far, one of the more friendly forums on the internet. We still have D-bags here, but I'd say the general populace here is very nice (maybe a little sarcastic sometimes). Most other forums, music or otherwise, are filled with trolls and mean people looking to get a rise out of other members. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:48
You're talking to one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:52
What? D-bag, troll, or mean person? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 13:58
I've said enough. Don't want to upset the chap. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:01
I'm on 7 or 8 different forums regularly, and this one has overall the least friendly community. By far. I'm obviously guilty of that sometimes, but I'm hardly the only one. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:04
Not the only one true. Find it hard to believe this place is unfriendly though. Which ones are friendlier? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:08
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Like I said, all of them I've ever frequented. I doubt you'd be familiar with most of the sites in question. MMA is one of them, though. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:08
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:08
No I won't be familiar unless you name them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:10
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Actually, JMA is quite the friendly place. I don't really go on MMA very often. I dunno Triceratopsoil, this place is a ton friendlier than many other forums I frequent, or used to. Like I said, there's mean/snobby people here, but few forums do not have them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 14:37
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alright alright we get it...site has come under some criticism so you need to represent the other side. Wasn't one thing I said how some people seem to defend what is just a music site a little too much? I kid I kid! You didn't think about me when you said "friendly community" did ya?  This place is still a good source for finding bands. Wikipedia and the general internet is still good but I continue to find this is generally the best place. Look at the "Top Album" for 2011 list! That alone could give me like 200 bands to try in nice organized list. The community is generally good, though I have noticed for a progressive music site, (like most fans) prog fans are generally quite closed minded. Oh, and also being progressive minded there are a lot of people who need to "prove" themselves to the most alternative/different/non conformist to ideas...but that happens. Anywho, not to be mean but if you are 100% sincere ACR you are a little too attached. Sorry. It's a great place to find new music, and is generally friendly, but just a website! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 17:08
Still the forum with the coolest people. The best database around for progrock music is a bonus. -------------
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 17:36
So censorship is good?  I agree with most of your list, but I couldn't disagree more with this. -------------  |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 17:39
Yes it is good. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:02
So easy to be friendly when there's no one around.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:03
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Not to mention "when the admins don't belittle people, arbitrarily change things without conferring to the rest of the memberbase, acknowledge reasonable suggestions and discussion by locking threads etc." |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:07
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...Clicked on my profile there Dean? Watcha spyin on man?  And yeah the whole swearing thing I will also disagree with. Not like it being censored is some huge deal but I do think it kind of silly. Well, not only is it just not that bad but...well I think all of us at 13 years old knew most of the words already. Also as someone pointed out even with the ****** it's not like it's any less worse If I call you a b*****d, I still did it and you know what I said |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:17
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:19
And I'm first in the list, so I win most congenial.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:21
It's okay Dean. I won't tell them about our rendezvous in Second Life's version of Fiji if you won't. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:22
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:23
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As a wise man once told me, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me And not insecure, just joking but I have a feeling you knew that. Or....well again, something I said about people being a tad too defensive?? I hope you enjoy my reviews, I'll also be coming out with some more tonight.  Actually, reviewing is one of the things I do love about PA (see I'll add some positivity!) Sure I could just put random reviews on the internet, or even start a blog..but here so many more people can see them! Some seem to hate reviewing but I love, gives me a chance to be a pretentious and long winded, and it gives me such better appreciation for the music! I feel I get to know it so much better after in depth reviewing. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:24
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:27
It was a beautiful wedding, I must say. All the best to both of you! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/LinusW88" rel="nofollow - Blargh |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:30
He'd be a doll if he didn't spend so much time of that stupid Prog Archives. What's his thing with "Crossover" anyway? Is he "into" that sort of lifestyle?  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:31
Besides, if Dean really DID want to spy on me...I shouldn't tell him we're friends on FB Why don't you want my love? Is it my excessive alcohol abuse? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:35
As to defensive - yep, I can be guilty of that, but can't we all, however I'll refer you to my reply to Colin for a classic example of me going on the defensive - when I am attacked I think I'm entitled to defend - that's generally how not being hit works, and it would be remiss of me not to defend the site if that came under a barrage of abuse, just as I would and have defended it from hacker-attacks.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:41
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I don't know, I've heard that for quite a while from you blokes and I wondered if you ever hid behind that dry English humor! Which I am a fan of. Just harder for me to tell that it is in text. Nah Colin was pretty combative so that's perfectly understandable! I meant that response to my comment was maybe a bit defensive. But it's OK we're all human, except I  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:52
Hiding behind a humour, I've seen a couple of people try that around here and it just doesn't work ... then perhaps it's because they're so inept at it (which is funny in its own right).
But, ha, no.. my reply to you wasn't defensive, it was gentle ribbing - answering your question without telling you why I looked at your profile - just to keep you guessing. ------------- What? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 18:56
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Yeah that's an online classic, it usually does not work no. Gentle ribbing eh? Well ok, if you want to be gentle : O |
Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 19:49
| Totally agree ACR. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 20:31
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Not to be a stickler but I just assumed this was best web site...I now see best prog web site is what ACR said. ...are there even any other prog sites? |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 20:46
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I'd disagree on PA being the best music database ever. http://www.discogs.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.discogs.com/ is easily the most compehensive.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 21:05
Checking for rare RPI was pretty Meh.....no reviews or bios.....track lists don't tell me much. They may have more titles that PA but as a perspective listener I need reviews too or it doesn't do me much good. I want lots of quality reviews for all kinds of prog bands, large and small. Maybe I just missed the reviews area or something? ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 21:32
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I like this site quite a bit and I spend most of my time here. I only talk to like 10 people here, though. I'd like to talk more with other members but it seems that I don't really fit in very well. Story of my life, I guess. Anyway, I like all of you and I will continue to attempt contributing to PA. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 21:38
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great thread topic ACR, good for you-- and absolutely yes, PA is a marvelous, progressively amazing resource and community. Such a great example of the power of cooperation. Oh yes, and that database is..well..biblical. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 21:42
Alan, we may not know each other well but I always enjoy seeing what you're listening to when I pop into the Febus thread. Sometimes I check out the albums you post and have found them adventurous.  ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 22:10
PA isn't trying to be the best music database...only the best prog rock one.
As a whole...Idk if I agree with ACR's list, but this site is the best I've found for looking up info for prog bands. I think ProgEars is a little better in terms of news (ie new albums in the works, general notices about bands lives) but they do have alot of musicians on board over there so that probably helps. This forum is way better than theirs for me tastes and the database is more respectable IMHO. As for people, I've seen many come and go and there are always the annoying ones. Certain times they always seem to pop up more frequently than others but they usually go away for one reason or another. Probably still the most civil site I've been on, but I don't join many forums 'round the internets. As for no porn, thats ok. Plenty of other sites for that. The swear censor is silly but I'm not going to explode over it being here.
I've forgotten the other points I haven't addressed. Oh well. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 22:13
It's not very people oriented yes, but it beats any other place as far as having complete discographies goes. Also theres tons of people there who sell rare stuff for cheap. This is true at least for the music I normally look up there. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 23:08
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 22 2012 at 23:28
I'm glad to contribute to your playlists, Jim. Just so you know, I do enjoy reading your reviews - RPI is one of the classic prog genres that I truly enjoy.------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:15
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It's a great site, but you should never take anything on the Web at face value, so I sometimes wonder just which of you are really teenage girls pretending to be middle aged men.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:21
yup, only a place to satisfy your web proghead addiction the average prog junkie that comes in to get his faily fix and shoots his veins up with samples and go on live normally until his on his withdrawal slide and must comme back for another fix... Sounds quite dreary to me.... Should we report ourselves and PA to the DEA??? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:29
oh yeah like any teenage girl ever in the history of the human race would know or care why Greg Lake left Crimson for ELP |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:31
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We totally need some swearing strippers up in here ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:33
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Greg Lake was always a teenage girl now wasn't he? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 01:50
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:32
Curious about this one, myself... makes me wonder if I've been doing enough
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:34
Reason 1: Someone Somewhere always manages to make me laugh.
However, there are limits, and this kind of offensive post manages to destroy all that good feeling. Where are the moderators when you need thm? Hmm? Probably on some porn site. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 02:51
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^ no, they're right above your post |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:04
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Actually, I was trying to think of a way to link Greg Lake being a young female with the concept of man-boobs in later life...
[edit] This is not an invitation! [edit # 2] etc -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:33
I know. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 03:52
If you swore at my mother, wife or daughter I would censor you with my fist. That is not a threat, just an example of why we censor swear words.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 05:46
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I like the fact that my son, and even my wife when she wants to see what cobblers I'm spouting, can come onto the site and see no porn, swearing, or other forms of behaviour that they would find offensive or disturbing. And, by and large, the discussions here are humerous, informative, fun. I think I've only lost my temper twice here since I've joined - it's a damn sight more at, for example, work. When I joined I was stuck in a kind of rut with prog. The majority of the stuff I bought was by "established" artists. This site has enabled me to fall in love with it all over again by simply experiencing the huge array of great new music out there. There are also some extremely knowledgeable people here who I learn a lot from. A bonus has been the opportunity to get to know very talented artists who are kind enough to send me free music and trust me to do a review on their work without any kind of expectations. The site is, quibbles and moans aside, extremely well managed as a rule, and I have also made some very good friends here. I love this site and have no interest in going anywhere else at all. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 05:53
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Good post Steve. And I'm with you on the swearing thing. It just isn't necessary, and it's almost refreshing to find a place that has an expectation of such a courtesy. It might even make people think a bit more as they have to express themselves without the convenience of the all expressive expletives. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:01
Thanks Jim. I absolutely agree, and as an example, one of the two times I lost my temper was actually with a (now) admin, who I won't name. We had what can only be described as a heated debate about a particular opinion of mine, which was continued via PM from the forum. Since that debate, we have become firm friends, respecting each others opinions in the process. And all because we actually conducted that debate without resorting to childish and nasty language or bullying each other. It means a lot ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:25
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Steve/Jim
You both explained perfectly my own take on the auto-censorship of expletives. This is a very inclusive site & although it is not possible to avoid the use of certain potty mouth words during one's daily life, that doesn't mean it's OK to scatter them throughout online forum posting. -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:37
| I think keeping swear words out is probably the no.1 reason why the place is agreeable. Sorry, but once people are allowed to, some nutcases will invariably take undue advantage of liberties and make the forum unpleasant. I have seen some social groups get run over by trolls running slang matches until eventually the regular members stopped visiting. I understand that it is not in keeping with a democratic approach to bar people from using certain words but I also don't see why people do need to throw abuses to each other in a discussion, especially when they are not face to face and don't know much about each other on a personal level. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 06:41
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On occasion I swear here. Some times in a jokey way and sometimes out of genuine anger.The auto censor then censors those words reminding me not to go too far. Not to be excessive. That is why I like it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:03
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:06
I agree, people feel emboldened to say things online that they wouldn't want to face to face because they would be afraid of offending the other person. That is why abuse in the name of freedom of speech doesn't really cut ice with me.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:06
And, to think, once we only had a Market Square Hero ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 07:11
We all know what f**k and b*****d means even when they're auto-censored.
If we switched off the auto-censor their use here would still be "against the rules" and you would have to censor them yourself.
If we switched off the auto-censor and allowed their use here, then you still wouldn't be allowed to call someone a stupid f* or thick b*st*rd.
If we permitted people to insult each other here, then how does anyone differentiate between "just joshing around between friends" and an actual targeted personal attack.
If we decide we don't really care because that's only a problem for the two people concerned then how does anyone mediate in that process when both parties lodge official complaints against the other.
So that really questions how far are you prepared to go in your quest for a non-authoritarian anti-censorship ideology in what is in reality just an indulgent little forum on an indulgent little website dedicated to what is the most indulgent form of popular music in the history of popular culture. Because behind all the bravado and indulgent little screen names and avatars, are real people with real feelings and emotions - little or none of which can ever be expressed in, or interpreted from, a series of short post on an internet forum.
It would strike me as "ironic" that the people who b*tch about the auto-censor could get their boxers into a knot because some else referred to something they did as idiotic or said they were ignorant of some fact or facts - mark that ... not called an idiot, or an idiotic person, or an ignoramus or an ignorant person, which would be a personal attack and defamatory, but referring to something that person did as being idiotic, or remarked that lack of a piece of knowledge was being in ignorance of a particular fact - neither of which is a personal attack nor are they defamatory. Here there would be demands that simple figures of speech required "moderation" and "censuring" by someone in an authoritative role, even though no offense had been intended beyond basic plain speaking.
In this case "censoring" is merely preemptive "moderation" and "censuring" - sure that's restrictive on the potential protagonist, but a lot easier on the intended victim.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 08:26
Great comments here and of course I agree with all this as its on the same wave length of why I continue to come here. Its interesting how many many consider this thread cynical only because it is not spouting off a bunch of negatives. From what I have seen recently there are many who have problems with it but they still continue to come back. At least that speaks volumes that the site is still the best prog site online. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 08:33
Yes, Dean exactly! Good points here definitely. If the autocensor goes so will many here and I could be first in line - I find it difficult to tolerate the mindless ramblings of puerile comments I am forced to endure on Imdb, Youtube and MMA. Sorry, but the foul language on those sites is unpleasant and really common. It lowers the standard and makes it look like a bunch of morons are online rather than intellects with something important to say. Swearing is cheap and I am slowly getting tired of people doing it just to act tough when they come across as idiots. Moview with tons of swearing are also really hard to watch - Watchmen was ruined, Wanted was over indulgent with F bombs, and The Departed had too much swearing to enjoy. I was very disappointed with a DVD I bought for my wife for Christmas. It was Adele Live at Royal Albert - Despite not really into her style of music I was appalled at her language - she dropped the F bomb in between just about every song - and my kids had to leave the room. Thats just ignorant and totally unnecesary. And then she says in an interview she likes to swear. Stupid goose!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:01
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^ I don't mind swearing in films. I watched The Watchmen recently but I don't recall a swearing problem really. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:13
| Now that we are done patting each other on the back let me hear that big "hell yeah" for censorship and dude above your little violent thing on your signature is worse than having to read some potty mouth |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:14
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^ It's two farties hitting a computer ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:16
I don't understand either. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:20
| Let me explain.....if I read a post with bad language I do not have to re read it this thing above just goes on and on |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:22
| ^As do many users gifs here. Is it really a problem? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:24
| No it must spur flashbacks though, just kidding I was just poking fun |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:35
Don't get me wrong - I love swearing - I do it all the time and I am never offended by casual swearing, swearing really is only verbal punctuation with no meaning or intent whatsoever. I do not see swearing as common, or lowering of standards or even blasphemous, whereas being called (one of) a bunch of morons, while not being offended by such a comment, I do find it to be, shalll we say, disapointing.
I would never regard any "entertainment" as being ruined by swearing. Some could be greatly improved by it I think. ------------- What? |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 09:58
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Second your every word, Dean.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 10:20
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 10:31
Now I can understand Dean's good reasons for the auto-censor but ACR, please.... If you are going to watch a grim depiction of crime like The Departed in a movie theater, don't expect "bad person" to be the most serious epithet thrown around.... And in your house, there's always a rating in the box telling you what to expect.... By the way Dean my attack has been on the auto-censor, which "censors" words like sh*t, f**k, etc... (b*****d???? that one I will never understand), not on moderating, which would be necessary when two members start throwing real insults or whatever at each other. Again, I said moderating. Like you and your colleagues do. Moderating usually comes after the fact, censorship acts before it. Anyway, as I said, with a few things I don't agree, I'm still one of the most consistent members of this forum so I guess I like it a lot... -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 10:34
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You mollygrubs, toadeaters, tatterdemains, smellfungus, and scallywags better knock off all this cuss-talk.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 10:42
I'm ashamed to say that I have always had a bad habit of swearing like a sailor. It is much easier to censor one's self on the interwebz. It is a habit that I am somewhat able to control, especially when I am around kids, but when my temper hits or I am hangin' with the guys I really could use this guy  .------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:09
One thing to note is that although we colloquially refer to this as the auto-censor because the result resembles the blue-pencil alterations made to letters-back-home by over-zealous army censors during times of war and other national crisis's, it is not censorship - technically it is a "Bad Word Filter", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swear_filter" rel="nofollow - swear-filter . Censorship would involve removal of the entire post, or a significant part of it, and that's not what is happening here - as many have noted, you can tell what the word is, and that has always been the intention... even if you don't know precisely what tw*t is, it's a fair bet it's not twit.
Preemptive moderation is not the only reason for employing a filter, though as a lazy and reluctant moderator that is a damn fine reason, (slapping-down adults for puerile behaviour is not a pastime of mine) - it also allows our site to avoid any nsfw tagging that unfiltered words could result in. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:19
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Good point. Now, why is b*****d censored? -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:26
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or w**k / w**king?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:32
It is more offensive in some countries and/or cultures than others, just because you find it inoffensive does not mean everyone does. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:36
w**k or w**king is definitely very offensive. Loads of people hate going to w**k. Plus there is loads of unemployment ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:40
I just never knew w**k was a bad word until I joined this site, and was trying to describe certain Dream Theater instrumental sections. I thought maybe it was a UK thing.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:42
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Whenever whatsherface w*nks at the end of Weakest Link it always makes me feel uncomfortable so I agree with that ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2012 at 13:43
*shrug* - I've never seen it used in a positive way or as a compliment, it is invariably derogatory. ------------- What? |