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K00l Prog Guruz 
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 Topic: Genesis Better with Phil or Gabriol?
Posted: November 27 2004 at 01:12 |
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I think Genesis was betrter with Phil colins then with Peter Gabril I think that Gabril is not a good song writer like Colins but what do you guys think, colins also has a better voice and he was in the best albums like then there were 3.
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"The world is in your hands, now use it." Good'ol Phil
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Velvetclown
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 01:55 |
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Phil is a nice chap, but Peter is UNIQUE.
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zappa123
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 03:21 |
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gdub411
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 05:54 |
Phil Collins better than Gabriel... ...that's funny.
I think Phil Collins started this thread.
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Nerevar
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 06:33 |
I think Gabriel did a far better job than Collins, and I also think you need to sue your english teacher 
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"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy."
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 09:41 |
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I think The lamb Lies Down is their best CD
the second best is Trick of the Tail a Phil CD
Selling England By the Pound and Foxtrot and
Nursery Crime follow.
But Phil carried the band to the 2nd best CD in the
afterglow of THE LAMB
which I would consider one of the 5 best RNR CDS
ever
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HaroldTheBarrel
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 10:57 |
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I am an absolute devotee to Gabriel Genesis, always will be! Not to say that I don't like any Collins material... Wind and Wuthering, Trick of the Tail and Spot the Pigeon are all fabulous. But, as was said on another thread, what killed Genesis was the loss of Hackett.
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Listen:
Your friends have been broken. They've told us of your poison.
Now we k now.
KILL THEM!
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 10:59 |
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on to HELL
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 11:45 |
And then There Were Three their best album?
I read similar posts in the Phil Collins Fan Club, there you can find many people who believes this.
I'm member of 5 progressive forums, and Phil Collins is the joke in each and every one, the guy should have never left his drums where he was good.
Genesis was Genesis with Gabriel, Genesis with Collins was capable of anything like using the Earth Wind & Fire horns or composing Illegal Alien and the aberration called Who Dunnit', Holy $hit, the name of that monstruosity makes me sick.
I'm sure you won't get any converse here, let Collins with his Tarzan and Brother Bear soundtracks out of this forum please, I just had breakfast. 
Iván
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 13:08 |
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Equal IMO. Up to and including 'Duke' in 1980.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Fragile
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 14:04 |
PHil Collins better than Peter Gabriel you are having a serious laugh .Gabriel's pet goldfish has more ability than this sad little pop idol.Gabriel was the glory and the power behind the second best prog band in the business.I am truly sick to death of this odious little man getting mentioned in the same breath as Gabriel.
little drummer boy should have remained so.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 14:35 |
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How easy do you want to make it on us. Gabriel was the creative brains behind the original " prog" Genesis. They should havejust thrown in the towel after then Lamb or changed the band's name although I like Trick and Wuthering.
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greenback
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 14:38 |
Peter Gabriol is the cousin of Eloy's Klaus Peter Matziol
Peter Gabril is the brother in law of actress Victoria Abril
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 14:53 |
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I like Gabriel era the best, and phil collins era up to and including duke, I also like Ray Wilson era, but if I had to pick one out of all those 3:
GABRIEL ERA
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Fragile
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 14:59 |
Never judge a book by it's cover somebody once lectured me but I come in from work switch to my fave forum and see this thread and I go nuts even before I've had a drink.In retrospect and calmed down this Guruz person is having a serious wind up I should have checked his words out more clearly well spotted Greenback. 
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Miaugion
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 17:25 |
Doesn't matter if this is a fake thread or not.
Anyway, I started with albums like Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. The Gabriel material is magnificent, and I think his solo stuff contains some of the most important pieces of modern music ever recorded. Rather late I discovered how great and musically mature the first three Collins-Genesis albums really are, and the highlights of Trick, Wuthering and Three swiftly became my Genesis faves. Thus, I couldn't decide who's better.
Elitist Phil haters should listen to the live version of Ripples on Archives II and see if their opinions are stronger than those passionate vocals raising a passionate song to the peaks of prog. [/pathos]  
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Reed Lover
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 17:27 |
 Miaugion wrote:
Doesn't matter if this is a fake thread or not.
Anyway, I started with albums like Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot. The Gabriel material is magnificent, and I think his solo stuff contains some of the most important pieces of modern music ever recorded. Rather late I discovered how great and musically mature the first three Collins-Genesis albums really are, and the highlights of Trick, Wuthering and Three swiftly became my Genesis faves. Thus, I couldn't decide which one's better.
Elitist Phil haters should listen to the live version of Ripples on Archives II and see if their opinions are stronger than those passionate vocals raising a passionate song to the peaks of prog. [/pathos]
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Well said Miauldson!
We hate Collins the man not Collins the drummer.
Gabriel will always be the more relevant artist!
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the musical box
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 17:37 |
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right...... Gariel less of a songwriter than Collins? Are you kidding? Lets see collins write a "supper's ready"! A better singer than Gabriel? Peter is way less limited than collins who can only do one voice whilst gabriel can do several. Even if you go to their solo material: gabriel still wrote very good lyrics and his melodies were original, while the only good Collins song i can think of is "in the air tonight", even on the two good Collins era Genesis all the outstanding songs are writen by the other band members, the worst songs are collins oriented. I dont think any one is gonna agree with you on this one... because we have taste!
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something pretentious
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Fragile
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 18:00 |
Very well said Musical Box
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Miaugion
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 18:07 |
Right, Gabriel will always be the more relevant and original artist, no doubt about that.
But whenever one asks proggers about poor Phil one gets the impression that the prog world does indeed reduce him to his Phenix horns, his solo love songs and his freaky Disney spirituals. Such a reduction is simply one-sided and not the best possible strategy to evaluate the career, talent and potential of a musician who's been helping prog to prosper.
He is/was indeed a good drummer and, above all, a brilliant singer. He had one of the most soulful voices in prog as anyone should be able be notice when they listen to the best of the early Collins-Genesis material. Together with Banks that voice could always create a sort of wintery melancholy that is very hard to plagiarize. Romantic, original and not without artistic merit. That melancholy may not be as cool as the Fox and the Flower --- but.
Ah, if planet prog was more tolerant towards poor hairy little Phil - what a wonderful world it would be. 
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