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    Posted: March 27 2004 at 10:48

According to you which group has contribuated to the most avant-garde, experimental side of prog music? You can name several if you want...I've my idea about it, but I'm waiting for your answers



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Well there is Henry Cow, Frank Zappa, Univers Zero, Matching Mole, Soft Machine, & Hugh Hopper. I mean, there are many choices, you just choose who is your favorite!
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Dream Theater: Sorry, misunderstood the term avant garde, sorry


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Thinking Plague.

Zappa, early Gong, even some Umma Gumma era Floyd.

Actually, some Crimson stuff would fall into the avant-garde category.



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Avant-garde...!
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What's your problem Lucas?

Historically, I think of Zappa's Mothers of invention, Tony Conrad, Faust & Kluster...These last definitely killed the traditionnal conceptions of rock music and went further in the possibilities offered by the different musical languages to create something very new.

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Maybe early Battiato?
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I secound the Gong suggestion...
but what does 'early Gong' mean? For me it means that 'you' would be the last album of this 'early Gong'
 
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Dream Theater: Misunderstood the term Avant garde, sorry


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Dream Theater is not avant-garde....

My favourites are Univers Zero, Samla Mammas Manna, Henry Cow( and Frith's solo work), the Muffins, Area and Stormy Six.

Never heard Thinking Plague, how are they like?

If Caravan and Hatfield fit under the avant-garde umbrella I have to include them on my list as well (and Picchio dal Pozzo)....
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Many of you talk about Henry Cow...I really enjoy listening 'western culture'. A kind of avant-garde jazz/ fusion with some zappa influences...how old are his first works? I don't remember to have listened albums from him dated before the beginning of the 70s.

Can you confirm?
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Well, the three albums I've got are from 1973 and 1974 (LegEnd, Henry Cow and Unrest), I've never heard Western Culture. There are definitely similarities with Frank Zappa. Sometimes Henry Cow has more free improvisation than FZ, which I don't like. Henry Cow is, by the way, a band.  The musicians I can remember are Fred Frith and Chris Cutler..
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For me it would have to be the German band Nue!
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As far as I know:

Frank Zappa And The Mothers and Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band!



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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

For me it would have to be the German band Nue!

not Nue! BUT NEU!

yes, this one developped post-rock compositions before that the term was coined...The three albums made by the duo are absolute must!



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i think my friend: MAGMA, CAN, ZAPPA and BOWIE,  you can tell me your opinion about my thoughts
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Originally posted by progchain progchain wrote:

Maybe early Battiato?

Oh, yes. You don't really know what suffering is until you buy a record with a 20 minutes composition based in just one (ONE!) chord. I shal repeat it: ONE!!!!!!!.

Anyway, I really don't like avant garde. Although there's one very avant garde record I like (there's always an exception to the rule) and it's David Bedford's 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner'. Maybe it's because I really love Coleridge's poem, and I think this music suits it pretty well (not like the failed Hostsonaten compositions. I like the Iron Maiden song, though )

 
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There's some avante garde ideas on Aphrodite's Child album '666' particularly the track 'infinity' (the ''orgasm song'').Also some of the 'self sampling' on the finale to the album was unusual for it's time. Vangelis has also done a few avante garde solo works - 'Hypothesis' (rare 1971 album on Charly Records), 'Beauborg' (1978) and 'Invisible Connections' (1986).The last one of those mentioned is very strange.Anyone else heard it?  
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There's some avante garde ideas on Aphrodite's Child album '666' particularly the track 'infinity' (the ''orgasm song'').Also some of the 'self sampling' on the finale to the album was unusual for it's time. 

Yes! Never thought about that one. A few tracks on both sides I will consider as avant-garde! It's not a very consistent album, but there are some great moments! Haven't heard the other ones, how are they like?
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Thinking Plague:

 

http://cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/thinking.html

 

A hard listen, for sure, however, rewarding once you put the pieces together. Thinking Plague requires a lot of active listening, each instrument seams to be dis connected from the whole, but as you start connecting the pieces, it makes sense. I've enjoyed "the History of Madness", however, on a single listen, I would never have bought it. Too insane!!!!!!!! 
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