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yanch
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 05:32 |
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.
Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.
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richardh
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 15:52 |
I still like the debut album and downloaded both their recent albums (Phoenix and Omega) which have some very acceptable songs to me.Not a progressive rock band but of course its not necessary for everything to be ''progressive''.(honest)
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cstack3
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:26 |
yanch wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.
Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups. |
Indeed! I also have wondered what the aborted "XYZ" (ex-Zepplin, ex-Yes) project might have sounded like. Could have been interesting! Or not!
"Zappa Plays Zappa" is a contemporary twist on the "supergroup" concept and well worth the price of admission!
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Intruder
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:29 |
If those radio singles had been put out by anyone else but that particular "supergroup", it definitely would be a step above the mainstream of the early 80s, but with Wetton, Palmer, Downes and Howe we expected more....man, did they ever underutilize their talents. Asia....a greater waste of natural resources than a '78 Cadillac.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:59 |
I'm on the side of Asia being the rubble rather than rising from it. It was the heat of the vomit... I kept following the old greats as they descended into commercialitis, but then I just lost interest.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:03 |
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 04:05 |
Asia were full of awe and vice versa (mostly).
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 05:02 |
I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.
Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 05:56 |
yanch wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.
Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups. |
Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.
Edited by Snow Dog - November 24 2011 at 05:57
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:46 |
Snow Dog wrote:
yanch wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.
Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups. |
Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.
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They were a true prog supergroup, that there was really little prog going on there was really disappointing to me at the time when they formed.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:00 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
yanch wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...
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Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.
Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups. |
Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.
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They were a true prog supergroup, that there was really little prog going on there was really disappointing to me at the time when they formed.
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I'm not saying the were "Prog" Supergroup. Just a plain supergroup. It's a lame word when you think about it. Let's not say it again.
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Icarium
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:25 |
i call them superdupergroup from now
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 10:27 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.
Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.
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I think the all star concept in jazz is more relevant than 'supergroups' in rock. Barring ELP and UK, supergroups have rarely done anything I found amazing. I guess you could sort of call National Health a supergroup and they were very good too.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 12:11 |
rogerthat wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.
Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.
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I think the all star concept in jazz is more relevant than 'supergroups' in rock. Barring ELP and UK, supergroups have rarely done anything I found amazing. I guess you could sort of call National Health a supergroup and they were very good too.
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Well, the jazz comparison in an interesting one. Yes, I think you're right.
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lucas
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 14:59 |
one of the worse bands ever.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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CPicard
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 05:53 |
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess? Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 18:51 |
I did find Asia to be rather a dissapointment, and really would have liked them to do something else. The music doesn't really bother me, and they have a few songs I really like a lot, but indeed I would have liked to listen to a true prog masterpiece from them. However, the one song that came close enough to prog for me is "Parallel Worlds / Deja / Vortex"... or something like that, from Phoenix... I might say I'm glad Asia existed only because of that song (well, it's actually a good pop song followed by a great instrumental passage, but that was good enough for me, I really love that song).
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lucas
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 05:08 |
CPicard wrote:
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess?
Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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re-phrasing my opinion :
Asia is one of the worst bands ever.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 09:10 |
lucas wrote:
CPicard wrote:
lucas wrote:
one of the worse bands ever. |
/thread] I guess?
Anyway, having listened to... What, two albums? Well, I never could get through two albums. Goodly recorded, but not my cup of tea.
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re-phrasing my opinion :
Asia is one of the worst bands ever. |
Unless restating is rephrasing you have just repeated yourself.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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jammun
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 11:01 |
C'mon, we had high expectations when we saw the makeup of the group. Our expectations were not met in that sense. Still a pretty good band. I mean, what was the competition at the time? I have the Anthologia CD. I should review it. It's not as bad a some here think. Heat of the Moment is a fine song, certainly ranking up there with Genesis' output at the time.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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