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Posted: November 08 2011 at 23:24
Catcher10 wrote:
Rappers do......didya read some of the comments, rap fans liked it. And this one at least has a benefit if you buy it.....
I meant anybody here. I mean, that's nice, I just don't understand why we need a thread every time someone remotely famous samples a song that is listed here. Tom Sawyer has such heavy radio airplay it isn't even famous as a prog song.
Maybe I'm just still vaguely annoyed about the Kanye West endless debacle.
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Posted: November 08 2011 at 23:46
Kanye West must have good music taste. Samples King Crimson and pretty much takes a full Can song and changes the words into something comprehensible (and probably even less thought put into them ).
As for EL-P, look at his name. Must be a proggy!
Edited by DisgruntledPorcupine - November 08 2011 at 23:46
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Posted: November 08 2011 at 23:53
I find it a little depressing that the sampled prog band seems to find it's like a `badge of honour' that a rapper sampled them, like it instantly gives them this special credibility, and it's a monumental achievement! :(
I could care less that Crimson was sampled by a delusional moron like West, it's more an `interesting curious random fact' on a bio page than a career achievement!
Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - November 09 2011 at 00:20
Do you feel that rappers in general mis-represent the music of our generation? For example...the generation of the 60's and 70's? I have noticed in the past how they place importance on Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Robin Trower, and Peter Frampton. Four artists who rotate through the media as a representation of what my generation was all about. Which is falsehood and not honesty.....in otherwords apart from the few interesting releases of these people it is just pure crap and a thousand chapters are left out. Rappers come across as if they are under the assumption that the media represents the music we all grew up with and I find that annoying and moronic. Whether rappers are making fun of our music or complimenting it......it remains to be an insult because they don't have a clue about other generations of music historically and how can they when the media promotes all the fringe garbage and dismisses the most important respectful innovative people? Rappers have already fooled with "Classic Rock" samples and now they are using a prog sample of Rush? and of course it would have to be Rush correct? As if to say that everyone in 1976 who had long hair listened to Rush right? How flippin" insulting is that? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....then it must be a duck. How blind and stupied can you be? They should just leave our music alone.
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 08:29
TODDLER have you heard Outkasts cover/sample of Focus, (Focus 3) i don't think a group like Outkast samples 70s music for the fun of it or couse of reddiculing the past music, they very much adore anything from Funcadelics, to Prince,to Kate Bush to, Earth Wind and Fire and probably also Focus, and they did not sample the hit Hocus Pocus or things like that but a more obscure song and made an interesting and very good rap song out of it
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 13:46
TODDLER wrote:
Whether rappers are making fun of our music or complimenting it......it remains to be an insult because they don't have a clue about other generations of music historically and how can they when the media promotes all the fringe garbage and dismisses the most important respectful innovative people? Rappers have already fooled with "Classic Rock" samples and now they are using a prog sample of Rush? and of course it would have to be Rush correct? As if to say that everyone in 1976 who had long hair listened to Rush right? How flippin" insulting is that? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....then it must be a duck. How blind and stupied can you be? They should just leave our music alone.
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 13:57
I'm too rational to care what's going on in here.
BUT, El-P is one of the more interesting hip-hop producers in business and it kind of seems weak that he would decide to sample Rush instead of be original. He's way better at being original.
Edited by colorofmoney91 - November 09 2011 at 14:02
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 14:09
Henry Plainview wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Whether rappers are making fun of our music or complimenting it......it remains to be an insult because they don't have a clue about other generations of music historically and how can they when the media promotes all the fringe garbage and dismisses the most important respectful innovative people? Rappers have already fooled with "Classic Rock" samples and now they are using a prog sample of Rush? and of course it would have to be Rush correct? As if to say that everyone in 1976 who had long hair listened to Rush right? How flippin" insulting is that? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....then it must be a duck. How blind and stupied can you be? They should just leave our music alone.
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 17:18
I have nothing to really say about the rappers (which I use that term loosely) of today, because masters like Grandmaster Flash/Furious Five, Kurtis Blow, SugarHill Gang, George Clinton and Afrika Bambaataa are some of the only true rappers/DJ I know. They created rap from the urban underground scene of NY, Bronx, Baltimore, and LA....scratching on vinyl.
These new artists have only the thought to try and create something from an older popular song and change it somehow with samples and their laptop mixing software........I suspect most of these artists are simply listening for some hook, beat, rhythmn they can attempt to build on and this guy El-P (luv the name BTW) found it in Tom Sawyer.......as it was found in Chic's bass beat of Good Times which is the main beat for Sugar Hill Gangs Rappers Delight.
They simply IMO are looking for a beat which they can build on.........this one happens to be from a progband.
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 22:03
The Dark Elf wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hey look! I stole someone else's song, chopped it into tiny bits, added a drum machine, and mumbled doggerel verse over it!
That must make me a musician!
That's not at all what he did...
Really? That's all I heard. Sadly for the rapper, the best parts were whenever he didn't interrupt Rush.
He didn't steal it, for an artist to do this, he needs permission from Rush's record company. Of course he took much of the song out, unless you want him to just copy Rush so they will have a reason to sue him. He made music. He used part of someone else's in his, but he made music nonetheless. If this were a prog band sampling a rapper, you opinion would be much different.
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