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Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.
Well said!
I recently got a copy of Sing to God (inspired by positive reviews on here) and 1) It's utter crap and 2) it has absolutely nothing to do with prog as I understand it.
If that's prog punk it has no place on here. I've thought for ages this site has gone FAR beyond a prog site.
Any genre can be progressive, punk isn't an exception.
If you wan't to stop being so ignorant i suggest you look up some of the bands.
Also just because you dislike the Sing to God album, doesn't mean its "utter crap".
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 18:24
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If the PA/JMA/MMA family ends up spawning Alt-Rock Archives (to cover punk, art punk, post-punk, and child genres like college rock, alternative rock, grunge, goth, indie, Britpop etc. etc.) I'd be there like a shot.
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 19:54
Any genre or band can be "progressive" in the sense of the word; however, this does not mean they belong in the progressive genre. Every band has progressed at least a little through out their career. If every band that has ever "progressed" was put on PA...well you see where I am going.
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 19:58
lazland wrote:
Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.
I disagree! Fripp's solo LP "Exposure" and his work with the band League of Gentlemen were clearly crossover prog-punk.
Other examples would include Gabriel's first solo LP, works like "801 Live" etc.
It was never a very vital subgenre, but for a while in the 1980's, it was unavoidable.
I guess that would be stuff like Crass, Glenn Branca, This Heat, Cave In and At The Drive-In. To say that there is no punk with progressive or avant-garde influences is simply ludicrous.
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 20:55
Check out this clip of Gang of Four....Bassist Sara Lee went on to join Fripp in the League of Gentlemen.
From what I understand, GO4 was a substantial influence on Fripp in that era. They have a sound very reminiscent of Discipline-era KC, including the solid-state processed guitar sound. I quite like this....
I guess that would be stuff like Crass, Glenn Branca, This Heat, Cave In and At The Drive-In. To say that there is no punk with progressive or avant-garde influences is simply ludicrous.
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:40
The Hemulen wrote:
I'd personally wholeheartedly disagree with those examples. Avant-Prog is actually a pretty awful and misleading description for Cardiacs, IMO, not to mention just as ambiguous (and arguably morseo than) Prog-Punk. As for Ruins, I'd much sooner label them Experimental/Math Rock over Zeuhl. These terms, like the music we attempt to apply them to, are fluid and changeable. I see no sense or benefit in sticking Band X in Genre Y to the exclusion of all other possible terminology.
As for Cardiacs, they're a pop band.
I'm the first one to vouch that Cardiacs are a pop band, but RIO/ Avant isn't exactly the right place for them here. Is there a Pop Archives?
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:44
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So, to what extent can we say Prog-Punk is synonymous with Post-Punk?
Ehh not much I think. There are many Post-Punk bands who were experimental, but there were many who weren't. Like idk the Cure, Joy Division and so on.
A Smart Kid wrote:
Any genre or band can be "progressive" in the sense of the word; however, this does not mean they belong in the progressive genre. Every band has progressed at least a little through out their career. If every band that has ever "progressed" was put on PA...well you see where I am going.
You really have to listen to the music to understand. Many of these bands weren't and aren't just experimental punk. Instead they have displayed a very obvious influence from both punk rock and prog rock, many times combining the fast riffs and manic drums with time changes and weird little sounds that go oidshfpoahdapfoh.
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:48
lazland wrote:
Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.
I don't want to discuss the Ramones, The Clash, and Green Day (and I tried going into plenty of punk forums- usually this would turn up) very much. I'd really rather discuss these bands more, and in a punk forum they really wouldn't be welcome.
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Well said!
I recently got a copy of Sing to God (inspired by positive reviews on here) and 1) It's utter crap and 2) it has absolutely nothing to do with prog as I understand it.
If that's prog punk it has no place on here. I've thought for ages this site has gone FAR beyond a prog site.
It's the greatest albums of all time.
Nothing to do with prog? It has more time changes than a freaking... broken clock or something I don't know...
And yeah if you do have a physical copy of "Sing To God" and might just try and sell it, do remember who started this thread and is the nicest person in the world!!!
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Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:51
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And yeah if you do have a physical copy of "Sing To God" and might just try and sell it, do remember who started this thread and is the nicest person in the world!!!
Like many others in this thread I would be like a seal in an aquarium if there was a music site dedicated to the likes of Television, Monochrome Set, Cure, Banshees, Teardrop Explodes, Bunymen, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, Wall of Voodoo, Magazine, Josef K, The Sound, Nick Cave, Cocteau Twins, The Fall, Patti Smith, Stranglers, Wire, Velvet Underground, Divine Comedy, Dylan, the Go Betweens, Stan Ridgway, XTC, Prefab Sprout (the list goes on but there ain't many punk bands in there I grant you and I've no idea what umbrella they would all shelter under)
Prog Punk as an appellation seems a bit of a contradiction in terms like: a black skinhead, a skinny Buddha, Christian Black Metal, free-form structuralism, soft hardcore, low fat heroin, people who were conceived while their parents were fully clothed, Acoustic Techno etc
Perhaps we are confusing high energy, aggression and confrontation with Punk? (The latter never had any sort of monopoly on those)
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SaltyJon wrote:
frippism wrote:
And yeah if you do have a physical copy of "Sing To God" and might just try and sell it, do remember who started this thread and is the nicest person in the world!!!
I called dibs already.
I was going to get a copy based on the Fiery Gun Hand video someone linked to on this site only to find them out of print and horribly overpriced. Just checked again now and it's not even available at horribly overpriced anymore.
Yeah, if you don't like it there are plenty of us out there who would give it a good home.
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Slartibartfast wrote:
I was going to get a copy based on the Fiery Gun Hand video someone linked to on this site only to find them out of print and horribly overpriced. Just checked again now and it's not even available at horribly overpriced anymore.
Yeah, if you don't like it there are plenty of us out there who would give it a good home.
It's likely to stay that way for some time to come. Why not bite the bullet and get it from itunes?
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Posted: October 31 2011 at 11:01
frippism wrote:
^ Yeah I caved and did that. I love them enough to buy the whole physical discography later.
This. There are still a couple I haven't gotten even on iTunes yet, but I'm working on it...too many other groups I have to check out though, so I'm keeping things balanced when possible.
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Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:09
The majority of punk bands that I've heard mentioned here are not terribly progressive to my ears. There are some punk bands that delved into odd time signatures and experimental music.
But the very nature of punk, almost the antithesis of what prog was doing in the seventies, makes it difficult, but not impossible, for it's inclusion here.
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Posted: October 31 2011 at 12:38
Evolver wrote:
The majority of punk bands that I've heard mentioned here are not terribly progressive to my ears. There are some punk bands that delved into odd time signatures and experimental music.
But the very nature of punk, almost the antithesis of what prog was doing in the seventies, makes it difficult, but not impossible, for it's inclusion here.
I see no reason to change that.
Well yes but that doesn't mean that people didn't take the punk sound and make it complex. The fact that Punk started as an antithesis to prog somewhat doesn't mean a punk band can't make complex music. Also the fact that Prog is the antithesis of Punk hasn't stopped Prog bands from making complex music.
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