The Best Star Wars Movie

Empire Strikes Back, just for the Hoth scenes

Pretty much any of the Original Trilogy, 

The Doctor wrote: The T wrote: I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more than the old ones which have less of it. 1. Sith 2. Clones 3. Empire 4. Hope 5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar) 6. Jedi Oh my god, T, we actually agree on something.  I prefer the prequels as well and your list looks almost exactly like my mine, with only Hope and Jedi reversed.

I just finished watching the one I hadn't yet in bluray and I must say now I agree with you. Return of Jedi ranks higher than all old ones in enjoyment and below the last two of the prequels. Hope is definitely the one I enjoy the least though since it's the first it will always be extremely important.

progistoomainstream wrote: The Doctor wrote: progistoomainstream wrote: The Doctor wrote: I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.   I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters.  I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper.  Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell.  And you don't get much of him in the originals.  But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on. I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense. To answer your questions.  The Phantom Menace was the Sith.  Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin.  The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was.  Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels.  But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid").  But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.  But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.

To further answer your questions;  C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut);  The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history;  I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him;  And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?

V for me.

Just seems to have the most nostalgia for me for some reason. Never got into the prequels as much as the old ones for some reason.

I think Lucas actually intended something like that.  That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels. 

Now if you can explain how the Daleks (sorry, wrong thread) suddenly got jet propulsion, that would be awesome. 

progistoomainstream wrote:   Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.

Not at all.  In Ep. IV, R2 showed that he was perfectly capable of keeping his mouth shut by not telling Luke more about the hologram of Princess Leia until they met up with Obi-Wan.  The execute order was issued and carried out within a matter of hours.  I don't care how powerful you are in the force, when you're caught off-guard like that, that kind of information can't be transmitted that quickly.  NO! Uncle Owen was absolutely NOT ok with Luke joining the rebellion or becoming a Jedi.  That's what he was trying to stop.  The "harvest" was just an excuse.  And finally, I don't find it odd about the clone troopers uniforms' vs. the stormtroopers'.  That actually seems a minor thing.  Uniforms change.  I had never even given that much thought.  I think the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan for 19 years didn't think to team up and take on Vader themselves instead of waiting around for some kid is a much, much bigger plot problem.  And only hinting at the Emperor's power in the originals to Luke, instead of telling him straight out "The Emperor is a bad a** Sith Lord.  He will ...... your ...... up if you're not careful."   What was that all about?  Did they want the Emperor to kill him? 


Edited by The Doctor - October 30 2011 at 22:18

The Doctor wrote: I think Lucas actually intended something like that.  That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels.

Yes but it was still retroactive: he had to figure that kind of stuff out after the first three movies

sideburndude... wrote: The Empire Strikes Back is easily the best film. I really do not enjoy the prequels for various reasons, I don't think there was one line of speech that made sense, who was the main character in The Phantom Menace?  Why was jar jar Binks even in the films?  What was the plot?  There are so many things wrong in the Prequels I could go for a long time, this all what I think of course.