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Topic: The Best Star Wars MoviePosted By: progistoomainstream
Subject: The Best Star Wars Movie
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:22
Have at it.
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Replies: Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:30
SW3, followed by SW2, SW5, SW6, SW1 and bringing up the rear SW4.
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:32
I find it funny how one of the most famous film series of all time really only has two good parts.
1.A New Hope
2.The Empire Strikes Back
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3.Return of the Jedi
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4.Revenge of the sith
5.The Phantom Menace
6.Attack of the Clones
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 20:03
The Empire Strikes Back
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 20:04
1. Star Wars III
2. Star Wars VI
3. Star Wars I (I know this one by heart)
4. Star Wars IV
5. Star Wars V
6. Star Wars II
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 20:04
They are all terrible.
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 29 2011 at 21:59
Empire Strikes Back. Ups the ante on everything that was great about the first movie.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 02:59
Empire stinks. Jedi stinks. Phantom Menace stinks. The rest are great.
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 09:16
1977 version of a New Hope is unbeatable!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 09:24
I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more than the old ones which have less of it.
1. Sith
2. Clones
3. Empire
4. Hope
5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar)
6. Jedi
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 09:27
The T wrote:
I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I
prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I
realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more
than the old ones which have less of it.
1. Sith
2. Clones
3. Empire
4. Hope
5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar)
6. Jedi
The Doctor wrote:
SW3, followed by SW2, SW5, SW6, SW1 and bringing up the rear SW4.
Geez you two, I'm not even a fan and such an order would still make me want to rage.
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 09:45
I am the first one to vote for the Return of the Jedi I love those teddy bears!
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:07
1. The Empire Strikes Back 2. Return of the Jedi 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. A New Hope 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Attack of the Clones 7. The Clone Wars (animated)
They're all awesome, though. Everything except for the Holiday Special...
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:09
The T wrote:
I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more than the old ones which have less of it.
1. Sith
2. Clones
3. Empire
4. Hope
5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar)
6. Jedi
Oh my god, T, we actually agree on something. I prefer the prequels as well and your list looks almost exactly like my mine, with only Hope and Jedi reversed.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 11:38
The Doctor wrote:
The T wrote:
I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more than the old ones which have less of it.
1. Sith
2. Clones
3. Empire
4. Hope
5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar)
6. Jedi
Oh my god, T, we actually agree on something. I prefer the prequels as well and your list looks almost exactly like my mine, with only Hope and Jedi reversed.
The Prequels??? THE PREQEULS??? they make no sense when attached to the originals.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 11:42
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:07
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:20
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:44
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels. I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
Yes. I would also want the old ones to be remade with a more complex story and better acting. Sadly, the old ones are sacred I guess and if Lucas said he thinks of remaking them he would be slaughtered.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:54
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:55
The T wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels. I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
Yes. I would also want the old ones to be remade with a more complex story and better acting. Sadly, the old ones are sacred I guess and if Lucas said he thinks of remaking them he would be slaughtered.
He Got Slaughtered for making the prequels in a lot of cases.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 12:56
Empire Strikes Back, just for the Hoth scenes
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 13:03
The T wrote:
Yes. I would also want the old ones to be remade with a more complex story and better acting. Sadly, the old ones are sacred I guess and if Lucas said he thinks of remaking them he would be slaughtered.
I don't understand why people hold the originals in such high esteem. It would totally kick if he remade them. I'd love a more compex storyline and he could clear up some of the plot holes, not all of which were created by the prequels.
One of my "favorite" plot holes was ripped on by the Family Guy Empire episode.
Yoda: Only an experienced Jedi can defeat Vader.
Luke: Uh, well, you're an experienced Jedi aren't you?
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Posted By: Hober Mallow
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 16:05
Pretty much any of the Original Trilogy,
Lucas lost me in Episode One , Episode Two had epic Jedi battles, but the romance between Padmé and Anaken made me want to vomit. Episode Three was fantastic.
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 18:56
The Doctor wrote:
Yoda: Only an experienced Jedi can defeat Vader.
Luke: Uh, well, you're an experienced Jedi aren't you?
Even though I do love the originals, that quote is pretty much gold
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Posted By: sideburndude...
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 19:23
The Empire Strikes Back is easily the best film.
I really do not enjoy the prequels for various reasons, I don't think there was one line of speech that made sense, who was the main character in The Phantom Menace? Why was jar jar Binks even in the films? What was the plot? There are so many things wrong in the Prequels I could go for a long time, this all what I think of course.
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 20:29
The Empire Strikes Back, but to be honest, like with Tolkien, this stuff has lost all magic on me. I don't care about big fat romps through orc-infested jungles to achieve some mystic quest and protect the world from evil wizards and empires and carousing with all manner of silly magic artifacts. I don't care a bit about two-hour films of gunfights and laser battles. If it's vicious and poignant, then combat can sure as hell be thrilling, but I can't get off on sword fights or magic spells anymore.
I guess the order would go:
Blade Runner (as a measuring bar)
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-Episode V
-Episode IV
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-Episode III
-Episode VI
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-Episode I
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-Episode II
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-Plan 9 From Outer Space (as a measuring bar)
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:06
The Doctor wrote:
The T wrote:
I'll become a joke around here but I have to say it: I prefer the prequel movies. Now that I watched them all again in bluray, I realize I enjoy the convoluted incoherent story of the prequels more than the old ones which have less of it.
1. Sith
2. Clones
3. Empire
4. Hope
5. Phantom (only so low because of Jar Jar)
6. Jedi
Oh my god, T, we actually agree on something. I prefer the prequels as well and your list looks almost exactly like my mine, with only Hope and Jedi reversed.
I just finished watching the one I hadn't yet in bluray and I must say now I agree with you. Return of Jedi ranks higher than all old ones in enjoyment and below the last two of the prequels. Hope is definitely the one I enjoy the least though since it's the first it will always be extremely important.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:25
The Doctor wrote:
The T wrote:
Yes. I would also want the old ones to be remade with a more complex story and better acting. Sadly, the old ones are sacred I guess and if Lucas said he thinks of remaking them he would be slaughtered.
I don't understand why people hold the originals in such high esteem. It would totally kick if he remade them. I'd love a more compex storyline and he could clear up some of the plot holes, not all of which were created by the prequels.
One of my "favorite" plot holes was ripped on by the Family Guy Empire episode.
Yoda: Only an experienced Jedi can defeat Vader.
Luke: Uh, well, you're an experienced Jedi aren't you?
But there are so many more plot holes in the prequels!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:27
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels. I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
To further answer your questions; C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut); The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history; I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him; And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:42
Atavachron wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels. I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
To further answer your questions; C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut); The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history; I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him; And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?
I thought the prequels made perfect sense. And whenever there was a plot discrepancy between the prequels and the originals, I blame the originals, because the prequels were just overall better movies.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:42
V for me.
Just seems to have the most nostalgia for me for some reason. Never got into the prequels as much as the old ones for some reason.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 21:57
The Doctor wrote:
I thought the prequels made perfect sense. And whenever there was a plot discrepancy between the prequels and the originals, I blame the originals, because the prequels were just overall better movies.
I'm even making up my own stuff: like R2 has no jet propulsion in 4,5, & 6 because of all the damage he takes in Episode 3 during Palpatine's rescue
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:01
I think Lucas actually intended something like that. That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels.
Now if you can explain how the Daleks (sorry, wrong thread) suddenly got jet propulsion, that would be awesome.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:07
The Doctor wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels. I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
To further answer your questions; C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut); The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history; I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him; And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?
I thought the prequels made perfect sense. And whenever there was a plot discrepancy between the prequels and the originals, I blame the originals, because the prequels were just overall better movies.
Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:16
progistoomainstream wrote:
Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.
Not at all. In Ep. IV, R2 showed that he was perfectly capable of keeping his mouth shut by not telling Luke more about the hologram of Princess Leia until they met up with Obi-Wan. The execute order was issued and carried out within a matter of hours. I don't care how powerful you are in the force, when you're caught off-guard like that, that kind of information can't be transmitted that quickly. NO! Uncle Owen was absolutely NOT ok with Luke joining the rebellion or becoming a Jedi. That's what he was trying to stop. The "harvest" was just an excuse. And finally, I don't find it odd about the clone troopers uniforms' vs. the stormtroopers'. That actually seems a minor thing. Uniforms change. I had never even given that much thought. I think the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan for 19 years didn't think to team up and take on Vader themselves instead of waiting around for some kid is a much, much bigger plot problem. And only hinting at the Emperor's power in the originals to Luke, instead of telling him straight out "The Emperor is a bad a** Sith Lord. He will ...... your ...... up if you're not careful." What was that all about? Did they want the Emperor to kill him?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:18
Oy, you really don't like SW, now you're just nitpicking; Clone uniforms? Do I really need to start making more stuff up that's pretty clear? And who cares what color a uniform is, besides the Clones were smart and the Troopers were not-- why? Because we have evidence in our time that clones deteriorate over time into, if you'll excuse the pun, sheep
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:26
The Doctor wrote:
I think Lucas actually intended something like that. That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels.
Yes but it was still retroactive: he had to figure that kind of stuff out after the first three movies
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:30
Atavachron wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I think Lucas actually intended something like that. That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels.
Yes but it was still retroactive: he had to figure that kind of stuff out after the first three movies
No. I think he actually intended it prior to the first three movies. I remember him talking about the originals and talking about creating a "dirty future" - in which things were run down because of the Empire. At least, he said he intended it that way from the beginning.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:32
sideburndude... wrote:
The Empire Strikes Back is easily the best film.
I really do not enjoy the prequels for various reasons, I don't think there was one line of speech that made sense, who was the main character in The Phantom Menace? Why was jar jar Binks even in the films? What was the plot? There are so many things wrong in the Prequels I could go for a long time, this all what I think of course.
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense.
1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained
2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade.
3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:35
progistoomainstream wrote:
sideburndude... wrote:
The Empire Strikes Back is easily the best film.
I really do not enjoy the prequels for various reasons, I don't think there was one line of speech that made sense, who was the main character in The Phantom Menace? Why was jar jar Binks even in the films? What was the plot? There are so many things wrong in the Prequels I could go for a long time, this all what I think of course.
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense.
1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained
2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade.
3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
1. Under the orders of Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious (who was the senator from Naboo) in order to create a sympathy vote in the Senate so he could be elected Supreme Chancellor (on his way to becoming Emperor). They were upset about being taxed on their trade routes - that's the trade issue. 2. They were sent to negotiate an end to the blockade of the planet, not trade issues. 3. See answer to number one.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:36
Atavachron wrote:
Oy, you really don't like SW, now you're just nitpicking; Clone uniforms? Do I really need to start making more stuff up that's pretty clear? And who cares what color a uniform is, besides the Clones were smart and the Troopers were not-- why? Because we have evidence in our time that clones deteriorate over time into, if you'll excuse the pun, sheep
I have a list of roughly 140 things that don;t make any sense in the prequels. I only have a list of about 10 with the originals.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:39
progistoomainstream wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Oy, you really don't like SW, now you're just nitpicking; Clone uniforms? Do I really need to start making more stuff up that's pretty clear? And who cares what color a uniform is, besides the Clones were smart and the Troopers were not-- why? Because we have evidence in our time that clones deteriorate over time into, if you'll excuse the pun, sheep
I have a list of roughly 140 things that don;t make any sense in the prequels. I only have a list of about 10 with the originals.
Then you, my friend, have far too much time on your hands.
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:39
The Doctor wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I think Lucas actually intended something like that. That things in the originals didn't work as well and were more beat up than in the prequels.
Yes but it was still retroactive: he had to figure that kind of stuff out after the first three movies
No. I think he actually intended it prior to the first three movies. I remember him talking about the originals and talking about creating a "dirty future" - in which things were run down because of the Empire. At least, he said he intended it that way from the beginning.
For sure, but much of the details came later, i.e. he didn't give R2 jets in the sequels because he didn't know he'd be able to film such a scene in the future, that notion came later as things evolved and fell into place
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 22:43
I think Lucas can't write characters very well, though he happened to make them very iconic. As has been stated before, basically all of the characters in the first trilogy are one-dimensional. I can watch all of episodes IV-VI easily because I tie them to my childhood and they're cool popcorn movies, but they're all really simplistic and kind of silly. Compare that to the main problems of the new trilogy. No one can act. At all. or maybe the problem is that Lucas can't write, which seems more likely since Liam Neeson is a boss. It all just led me not to care at all about any of the 100 new characters with weird names that the three films introduced.
Empire I guess. derp.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:07
Unusually, the SW movie I like less is The Empire Strikes Back, all the rest have at lñeast a temporal ending, in this case it's too unfinished and IMO forced.
Iván
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:21
stonebeard wrote:
I think Lucas can't write characters very well, though he happened to make them very iconic. As has been stated before, basically all of the characters in the first trilogy are one-dimensional. I can watch all of episodes IV-VI easily because I tie them to my childhood and they're cool popcorn movies, but they're all really simplistic and kind of silly. Compare that to the main problems of the new trilogy. No one can act. At all. or maybe the problem is that Lucas can't write, which seems more likely since Liam Neeson is a boss. It all just led me not to care at all about any of the 100 new characters with weird names that the three films introduced.
Empire I guess. derp.
Some traditionally good actors like Samuel Jackson and Natalie Portman are quite bad in some moments of the prequels, yet I still prefer the prequels' actors over such a lousy big hero like Mark Hammil. Harrison Ford is the one saving face specially in the first one.
And the saber fights, please...
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:26
progistoomainstream wrote:
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense.
1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained
2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade.
3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
That ones are easy;
The Trader Federation was controlled by Palpatine who was born in Naboo, and being the Senator of a small invaded planet, would grant him sympathy and support to reach the position of Chancellor.
Well, they studied since they were 3 years or maybe less, probably trade was part of their studies, or maybe they sent one Jedi with special trade knowledge.
Because they were controlled by Palpatine with promises of reward if he was elected chancellor.
Well, that's my guess.
Iván
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 30 2011 at 23:56
I've grown up with the original three, and while I enjoy the new ones as well, Ep. V will probably always be my favorite.
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 00:16
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.
Not at all. In Ep. IV, R2 showed that he was perfectly capable of keeping his mouth shut by not telling Luke more about the hologram of Princess Leia until they met up with Obi-Wan. The execute order was issued and carried out within a matter of hours. I don't care how powerful you are in the force, when you're caught off-guard like that, that kind of information can't be transmitted that quickly. NO! Uncle Owen was absolutely NOT ok with Luke joining the rebellion or becoming a Jedi. That's what he was trying to stop. The "harvest" was just an excuse. And finally, I don't find it odd about the clone troopers uniforms' vs. the stormtroopers'. That actually seems a minor thing. Uniforms change. I had never even given that much thought. I think the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan for 19 years didn't think to team up and take on Vader themselves instead of waiting around for some kid is a much, much bigger plot problem. And only hinting at the Emperor's power in the originals to Luke, instead of telling him straight out "The Emperor is a bad a** Sith Lord. He will ...... your ...... up if you're not careful." What was that all about? Did they want the Emperor to kill him?
Yes. Obi Wan and Yoda could have teamed up and fought vader. But they were also old and weak. They could have done it but would have been nice to have some help from a young energetic Jedi. And whats the point in doing it without Luke, The son of the Chosen One. He's going to have some special powers that no Jedi has.
If you watch #1 you will find that in the first 5 minutes of the movie not one thing makes any sense at all. "They must be dead now. Destroy whats left of them"."Let's go down with the army that is about to invade to tell the people there will be an invasion" and the fact that you know only basic details about what the Jedi are trying to acheive. Then they split up and could have been taken miles apart on the different ships they stowed away on. THE MOVIE ALREADY MAKES NO SENSE.I actually have 100 faults just in that movie.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 00:37
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense.
1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained
2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade.
3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
That ones are easy;
The Trader Federation was controlled by Palpatine who was born in Naboo, and being the Senator of a small invaded planet, would grant him sympathy and support to reach the position of Chancellor.
Well, they studied since they were 3 years or maybe less, probably trade was part of their studies, or maybe they sent one Jedi with special trade knowledge.
Because they were controlled by Palpatine with promises of reward if he was elected chancellor.
Well, that's my guess.
Iván
But they were not given incentive from palpatine. They knew nothing of who he was or what he wanted For all they know he is a shadowy figure. Why are they even following him? And what are the details of taxing trade routes? Why is it that when anakin first appears a talking pizza roll comes on screen and starts speaking directly to me? Who is the main character. Why did Obi wan train anakin when he obviously was annoyed by him? And why was qui gon gin so stupid? He's supposed to be the wise Jedi. You never really get to know any character in depth in the first movie and there is often just too much going on.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 03:44
All lists should at least acknowledge the originals over the prequels -
anyway heres the list from my POV (and i saw em all at the cinema when they were originally screened)
and best scenes noted
1. A New Hope - the opening ten minutes!
2. The Empire Strikes Back - Luke Vs Vader 3. Revenge of the Sith - the opening 5 minutes, the final 5 minutes
4. Return of the Jedi - speeder bikes
5. Attack of the Clones - Geonosis gladiator beasts
6. The Phantom Menace - pod race
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 09:55
Or howzabout this little gem:
Luke: It's you, Leia. You're my sister.
Leia: I know. Somehow I've always known. And yet I still decided to play tonsil hockey with you in the last movie.
Also, not quite as amusing at the prior one, but why is all the focus on Vader in the originals as far as Yoda and Kenobi are concerned. Yoda and Kenobi seem to think that bringing down Vader is the most important thing, as if that will somehow make the empire magically crumble to dust. When really the focus should be on getting rid of Sidious. He is arguably the more powerful Sith Lord and also has the full might of the Imperial army behind him. He is the one who must be destroyed to end the empire. Neither Yoda or Kenobi expected Anakin to turn back to the light and kill Sidious, so what was their plan for Sidious once Vader was destroyed? I think this is probably the biggest flaw in the originals. That and their waiting 19 years for Luke to grow up to take on the empire.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 16:33
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
Revenge of the Sith showed the slaughter of a few select Jedi.Palpatine's Purge,which began with Order 66,lasted for 19 years and there were still a handful of Jedi left after that.
The droid's don't remember Anakin because their memories were wiped,that is even stated at the end of Ep. 3.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 16:36
In order:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 18:26
TheProgtologist wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
I find that a fault of the originals not the prequels.
I loved the originals when I was a kid, but for the most part, I now find the originals to be nothing more than a pretty one-dimensional adventure romp with one-D characters. I think the prequels have so much more going on, and the character development I find much deeper. Plus Darth Sidious is just cool as hell. And you don't get much of him in the originals.
But they make absolutely no sense when you tack them on to the originals. Like really, Who is the phantom menace? they don't say. In the orignals it is made to seem like "uncle owen" knew Luke's Father but in the prequels you see that anakin was an only child and only met owen once. And just how quickly "the clone wars" happened was way out of line with what Obi won implied was a long long war.And not to mention how you know that anakin is going to put on the suit in the end of #3. The list goes on and on.
I am not against the prequels. They are ok when taken separate from the originals. But the second you say that the originals and the prequels follow in the same plot, they just lack sense.
To answer your questions. The Phantom Menace was the Sith. Uncle Owen also knew Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan could easily have told Owen what had happened to Anakin. The Clone Wars lasted three years, which may not be the longest war in history, but at the same time, I don't remember Obi-Wan implying that it was. Of course, we knew Anakin was going to put on the suit at the end of Ep. 3, but this isn't a mistake of any kind, simply the nature of prequels. But for me, really, it doesn't matter if the prequels fit well into the originals (and yes, there are some mistakes - "I don't remember ever owning a droid"). But instead of not liking the prequels because of it, I'm more of the opinion that the originals should be remade to fall more in line with the prequels.
But the originals were made first when George Lucas was younger and had more active living brain cells. And didn't Owen call kenobi a "crazy old wizard" and told luke not to listen to him? And can you imagine the nerd rage if the originals were re-made? Not to mention, the originals make more sense wthin themselves compared to the prequesl. like in #1 "they're dead, destroy what's left of them" and the really stupid "oh no the droid army is going to attack naboo. Lets go down with them to warn the people" And in ep. 2 How Jenga Fett's ship didn't read that Obi won was on an asteroid. and in ep.3 how literally all the Jedi were destroyed in the course of a day. and how they just have to shove C3PO and R2-D2 into the prequels and how they don't remember that they knew vader when he was skywalker.
But don't you think the Jedi would know that there was an execute order against them before it was enacted. And wasn't it said in the originals that Darth Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi not the clones? Darth Vader Killed only the ones in the temple instead of actually hunting down the Jedi.
Revenge of the Sith showed the slaughter of a few select Jedi.Palpatine's Purge,which began with Order 66,lasted for 19 years and there were still a handful of Jedi left after that.
The droid's don't remember Anakin because their memories were wiped,that is even stated at the end of Ep. 3.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:09
The Jedi couldn't know of the order,on account of the dark side clouding their perception of the Force(remember,they initially didn't suspect Palpatine).When Order 66 was issued,high ranking Jedi,particularly those on the Jedi Council,were killed first.Vader spent years tracking down and executing Jedi(mostly Masters),but Jedi were also hunted down and killed by Emperor's Hands.Dark Jedi,Inquisitors and bounty hunters.
It must also be noted that not all clone units obeyed Order 66.Some squads questioned it,and even when the order was confirmed refused to carry it out because they had become close to the Jedi they fought alongside of.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:22
^ The real question is what specific Dark method was clouding things. Yoda mentions the Jedi's "weakness" and how only a Sith Lord would know what it was, but we're never informed what it is. I always felt it suggests if a person or feeling is hidden behind genuine, or what appears to be genuine intentions, the Jedi may not be able to see past it. In other words if you're a really good liar/actor, you can conceal your true motives.
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:46
TheProgtologist wrote:
The Jedi couldn't know of the order,on account of the dark side clouding their perception of the Force(remember,they initially didn't suspect Palpatine).When Order 66 was issued,high ranking Jedi,particularly those on the Jedi Council,were killed first.Vader spent years tracking down and executing Jedi(mostly Masters),but Jedi were also hunted down and killed by Emperor's Hands.Dark Jedi,Inquisitors and bounty hunters.
It must also be noted that not all clone units obeyed Order 66.Some squads questioned it,and even when the order was confirmed refused to carry it out because they had become close to the Jedi they fought alongside of.
This guy knows his stuff.
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:51
Atavachron wrote:
^ The real question is what specific Dark method was clouding things. Yoda mentions the Jedi's "weakness" and how only a Sith Lord would know what it was, but we're never informed what it is. I always felt it suggests if a person or feeling is hidden behind genuine, or what appears to be genuine intentions, the Jedi may not be able to see past it. In other words if you're a really good liar/actor, you can conceal your true motives.
Good question David.There are no dark side abilities I know of that specifically allow an adept to hide their presence while remaining in plain sight.Sidious' master Darth Plagueis give him access to many ancient Sith holocrons,recorded in the time of Darth Bane.Maybe he learned something on one of those ancient information devices,and after killing his master,didn't pass it on to his own apprentices.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 21:53
I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 22:00
TheProgtologist wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ The real question is what specific Dark method was clouding things. Yoda mentions the Jedi's "weakness" and how only a Sith Lord would know what it was, but we're never informed what it is. I always felt it suggests if a person or feeling is hidden behind genuine, or what appears to be genuine intentions, the Jedi may not be able to see past it. In other words if you're a really good liar/actor, you can conceal your true motives.
Good question David.There are no dark side abilities I know of that specifically allow an adept to hide their presence while remaining in plain sight.Sidious' master Darth Plagueis give him access to many ancient Sith holocrons,recorded in the time of Darth Bane.Maybe he learned something on one of those ancient information devices,and after killing his master,didn't pass it on to his own apprentices.
yeah Holocrons, cool-- I've gotta start reading some of the ExUn novels, I read a bit of Death Star and liked it
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 22:15
Alitare wrote:
I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.
Awesome.
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 23:55
Alitare wrote:
I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.
I really don't give that much of a sh*t about that.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 31 2011 at 23:56
Yes
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 08:23
All Star Wars haters i have one thing to say.....
LOLWUT?
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 14:13
Atavachron wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ The real question is what specific Dark method was clouding things. Yoda mentions the Jedi's "weakness" and how only a Sith Lord would know what it was, but we're never informed what it is. I always felt it suggests if a person or feeling is hidden behind genuine, or what appears to be genuine intentions, the Jedi may not be able to see past it. In other words if you're a really good liar/actor, you can conceal your true motives.
Good question David.There are no dark side abilities I know of that specifically allow an adept to hide their presence while remaining in plain sight.Sidious' master Darth Plagueis give him access to many ancient Sith holocrons,recorded in the time of Darth Bane.Maybe he learned something on one of those ancient information devices,and after killing his master,didn't pass it on to his own apprentices.
yeah Holocrons, cool-- I've gotta start reading some of the ExUn novels, I read a bit of Death Star and liked it
If you like SW you really need to check out the EU.Only problem is there are a ton of books and you need to read most of them chronologically.I have around 100 EU books myself and probably have about half of the entire EU.
I read Death Star,good book.I like how it told stories from the perspective of people in the Death Star while it was being built and during the attack.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:45
I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:04
Atavachron wrote:
To further answer your questions; C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut); The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history; I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him; And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?
R2-D2 eventually shows Luke some footage of Padme and Anakin in the Extended Universe books after being literally forced to. He didn't want to hurt Luke by letting him see his father falling to the Dark Side on tape.
progistoomainstream wrote:
Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.
See my above explanation for R2.
As it's been said already, the Jedi were caught off guard. Remember, this literally happened in the MIDDLE of battles. Jedi's danger sense in the Force would be going off left and right anyway. Most Jedi were assigned to clone units and grew to work with and trust them. Most of them never would have expected to be betrayed by the clones, and it'd be especially hard to see it coming when literally seconds earlier they were on your side helping you fight droids. A lot of the minor OT characters were put into the prequels to make fans happy. I don't see much harm in that, considering that having Chewbacca appear in the prequels is more meaningful than some random new wookiee, etc. The clones had different uniforms to clearly mark their training. Some clones were grown and trained for specific tasks and were marked accordingly so that they would be easy to identify in battle. This was to help Jedi and other commanders organize them better. And stormtroopers didn't necessarily have different "colors", but Imperial armed servicemen DID have entirely different uniforms. Officers wore gray tunics, pilots wore black jumpsuits and helmets, gunners were black suits and helmets very different to those of pilots, etc.
progistoomainstream wrote:
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense. 1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained 2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade. 3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
1. The Trade Federation was controlled by Darth Sidious, who was a Senator on Naboo. He used the blockade to create sympathy for himself in the Galactic Senate so that he could be elected Supreme Chancellor. 2. Jedi are trained to negotiate as ambassadors and to solve disputes. They actually knew a lot about trade. 3. Because Palpatine/Sidious forced them to. The contrived reasoning that the Trade Federation gave was that the senate had recently increased taxes on trade in the outer rim to hurt the Trade Federation and stunt their economic growth. They didn't like that.
The Doctor wrote:
Also, not quite as amusing at the prior one, but why is all the focus on Vader in the originals as far as Yoda and Kenobi are concerned. Yoda and Kenobi seem to think that bringing down Vader is the most important thing, as if that will somehow make the empire magically crumble to dust. When really the focus should be on getting rid of Sidious. He is arguably the more powerful Sith Lord and also has the full might of the Imperial army behind him. He is the one who must be destroyed to end the empire. Neither Yoda or Kenobi expected Anakin to turn back to the light and kill Sidious, so what was their plan for Sidious once Vader was destroyed? I think this is probably the biggest flaw in the originals. That and their waiting 19 years for Luke to grow up to take on the empire.
Vader was so important because of his relation to Luke and because he was the easier one to take down first. Taking down a Sith Master like Sidious would be really difficult, but it'd be a lot more difficult with Darth Vader backing him up. Vader was out and about far more often than Sidious, who kept himself very protected and was extremely paranoid about his security.
Also, Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi waiting in hiding is a form of irony. For a thousand years two Sith at a time hid from the Jedi and consolidated power, waiting until they were strong enough to reveal themselves to the Jedi and take over. After that happened, two Jedi had to hide and consolidate their power while waiting for their opportunity to take back over.
TheProgtologist wrote:
If you like SW you really need to check out the EU.Only problem is there are a ton of books and you need to read most of them chronologically.I have around 100 EU books myself and probably have about half of the entire EU. I read Death Star,good book.I like how it told stories from the perspective of people in the Death Star while it was being built and during the attack.
Agreed; the EU books are amazing. I'm trying to buy up every single last one for my collection. I've probably got around the same number that you have right now, but I have most of the novels from Truce at Bakura through the current Fate of the Jedi series.
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 20:59
progistoomainstream wrote:
I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.
You DO have too much time on your hands.
Seriously, if I had the time and the backing of investors, I would rewrite the originals to have deeper characters and a deeper plot. Make it more adult.
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:05
TheMasterMofo wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
To further answer your questions; C3PO doesn't remember Anakin because Senator Organa had his memory "wiped" (R2 presumably remembers but keeps his mouth shut); The Jedi being destroyed in one day: read your history, there are numerous examples of a people or small army being nearly destroyed in one day, and clearly Lucas takes from history; I don't mind Jango doesn't pick-up Kenobi on the asteroid, he's convinced he's dead, in a hurry, and has no reason to search or scan for him; And wouldn't Owen call Ben a "crazy old wizard", wouldn't most protective uncles try to persuade a nephew to avoid the Rebellion and the Force?
R2-D2 eventually shows Luke some footage of Padme and Anakin in the Extended Universe books after being literally forced to. He didn't want to hurt Luke by letting him see his father falling to the Dark Side on tape.
progistoomainstream wrote:
Well First of all don't you find R2 keeping his mouth shut a little weak. And yes historically there have been warrior classes destroyed in virtually one day (the knights templar is what I presume you are saying0 but don't you think the Jedi would have found out there is an execute order that involves killing all of them? And no Jenga was not in a hurry and usually careful people (like Jenga was portrayed to be) will double check. And didn't it seem like uncle owen and aunt beru were ok with luke going to join the rebellion they just wanted him to go because they needed help for the harvest? Another thing, why did the prequels have to shoehorn important charecters from the originals in as secondary charecters? the droids, Bobba Fett, Chubacca. They don't need to be there. They are just wasting time that could be better spent doing stuff that has more to do with the big overarching theme of the prequels. And don't you find it odd how the Clones had different coloured uniforms but the Storm Troopers did not? Basically the prequels could have been miles better written.
See my above explanation for R2.
As it's been said already, the Jedi were caught off guard. Remember, this literally happened in the MIDDLE of battles. Jedi's danger sense in the Force would be going off left and right anyway. Most Jedi were assigned to clone units and grew to work with and trust them. Most of them never would have expected to be betrayed by the clones, and it'd be especially hard to see it coming when literally seconds earlier they were on your side helping you fight droids. A lot of the minor OT characters were put into the prequels to make fans happy. I don't see much harm in that, considering that having Chewbacca appear in the prequels is more meaningful than some random new wookiee, etc. The clones had different uniforms to clearly mark their training. Some clones were grown and trained for specific tasks and were marked accordingly so that they would be easy to identify in battle. This was to help Jedi and other commanders organize them better. And stormtroopers didn't necessarily have different "colors", but Imperial armed servicemen DID have entirely different uniforms. Officers wore gray tunics, pilots wore black jumpsuits and helmets, gunners were black suits and helmets very different to those of pilots, etc.
progistoomainstream wrote:
I counted. In the scrolling beginning of ep. 1 there are three things that are just so backward and make no sense. 1.The trade fedaration blockade a small planet that nobody cares about for a trade issue that is never explained 2.The Jedi (peace keepers of the galaxy) were sent to negotiate trade. Jedi know nothing about trade. 3.Why are the trade federation doing this in the first place?
Three large flaws and we are only 1:30 into the movie.
1. The Trade Federation was controlled by Darth Sidious, who was a Senator on Naboo. He used the blockade to create sympathy for himself in the Galactic Senate so that he could be elected Supreme Chancellor. 2. Jedi are trained to negotiate as ambassadors and to solve disputes. They actually knew a lot about trade. 3. Because Palpatine/Sidious forced them to. The contrived reasoning that the Trade Federation gave was that the senate had recently increased taxes on trade in the outer rim to hurt the Trade Federation and stunt their economic growth. They didn't like that.
The Doctor wrote:
Also, not quite as amusing at the prior one, but why is all the focus on Vader in the originals as far as Yoda and Kenobi are concerned. Yoda and Kenobi seem to think that bringing down Vader is the most important thing, as if that will somehow make the empire magically crumble to dust. When really the focus should be on getting rid of Sidious. He is arguably the more powerful Sith Lord and also has the full might of the Imperial army behind him. He is the one who must be destroyed to end the empire. Neither Yoda or Kenobi expected Anakin to turn back to the light and kill Sidious, so what was their plan for Sidious once Vader was destroyed? I think this is probably the biggest flaw in the originals. That and their waiting 19 years for Luke to grow up to take on the empire.
Vader was so important because of his relation to Luke and because he was the easier one to take down first. Taking down a Sith Master like Sidious would be really difficult, but it'd be a lot more difficult with Darth Vader backing him up. Vader was out and about far more often than Sidious, who kept himself very protected and was extremely paranoid about his security.
Also, Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi waiting in hiding is a form of irony. For a thousand years two Sith at a time hid from the Jedi and consolidated power, waiting until they were strong enough to reveal themselves to the Jedi and take over. After that happened, two Jedi had to hide and consolidate their power while waiting for their opportunity to take back over.
TheProgtologist wrote:
If you like SW you really need to check out the EU.Only problem is there are a ton of books and you need to read most of them chronologically.I have around 100 EU books myself and probably have about half of the entire EU. I read Death Star,good book.I like how it told stories from the perspective of people in the Death Star while it was being built and during the attack.
Agreed; the EU books are amazing. I'm trying to buy up every single last one for my collection. I've probably got around the same number that you have right now, but I have most of the novels from Truce at Bakura through the current Fate of the Jedi series.
Fair analysis of my question pertaining to Vader. Still not sure about waiting around for some kid who may or may not turn out to be worthy to save the universe.
Anywho, I like some of the EU books, but for the most part those books that deal with the time before and in the period of the prequels. The Darth Bane books were awesome. As were some of the prequel related books. Wish they'd do more preceding the prequels. Looking forward to the Darth Plagueis novel if and when that ever comes out. Never really enjoyed the post-originals books, like the Thrawn trilogy. Thought those were kind of dull. "I, Jedi" was probably the only post-original book that I really liked. Started the Yuzhan Vong stuff, but after reading the first four novels, I gave up on it.
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:11
The Doctor wrote:
Fair analysis of my question pertaining to Vader. Still not sure about waiting around for some kid who may or may not turn out to be worthy to save the universe.
Anywho, I like some of the EU books, but for the most part those books that deal with the time before and in the period of the prequels. The Darth Bane books were awesome. As were some of the prequel related books. Wish they'd do more preceding the prequels. Looking forward to the Darth Plagueis novel if and when that ever comes out. Never really enjoyed the post-originals books, like the Thrawn trilogy. Thought those were kind of dull. "I, Jedi" was probably the only post-original book that I really liked. Started the Yuzhan Vong stuff, but after reading the first four novels, I gave up on it.
My main guess on why Yoda and Obi-Wan waited for Luke was that they had to make sure that at least one of them was alive to train him. Otherwise all of that Force power potential would have eventually found its way out, possibly in the form of the Dark side, which would've been even more dangerous.
And yeah, I love the Darth Bane books! The New Jedi Order (Yuuzhan Vong books) started out pretty tough to get into; I remember when the series first came out I didn't really get hooked at all and didn't wind up reading another book in the series until the 8th or 9th book. The second half of the NJO series is a million times better than the first half, but unfortunately you have to read the first half to fully understand the second half...
The biggest problem with huge series like that with half a dozen writers is that the writers' priorities aren't consistent at all. One character might play a huge role in every book that Author A writes, but every time Author B writes a book, that character barely exists.
Posted By: sideburndude...
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:13
progistoomainstream wrote:
I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.
Give me a copy.
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:50
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.
You DO have too much time on your hands.
Seriously, if I had the time and the backing of investors, I would rewrite the originals to have deeper characters and a deeper plot. Make it more adult.
They are so adult and deep. They are a dive off the deep end. you know very little about most of the charechers in the first 3 except for anakin, obiwan and padme.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 21:50
sideburndude... wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
I have decided I am going to re-write the prequels to make them actually good and make sense. I will take what little information there was in the originals and fill in the blanks in an interesting and logical way.
Give me a copy.
I will post the main points on the forum.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2011 at 22:33
I can't wait, I'm sure it will be superior, I think we all know how easy it is to create an entire galaxy and then six screenplays based on it
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 19:11
Alitare wrote:
I really just don't give that much of a sh*t about Star Wars.
And Star Wars doesn't give a f**k about you.
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 02 2011 at 19:13
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:32
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:41
progistoomainstream wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
It was the first one I saw, in my case. I had it on videotape, saw it dozens of times. Played many related PC games of it.
Why shouldn't I like it?
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:44
The Quiet One wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
It was the first one I saw, in my case. I had it on videotape, saw it dozens of times. Played many related PC games of it.
Why shouldn't I like it?
It would rank higher on my list if the middle Tatooine part didn't weigh it down. The beginning and end were awesome. The whole podracing thing and the buildup to it was .
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:54
The Doctor wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
It was the first one I saw, in my case. I had it on videotape, saw it dozens of times. Played many related PC games of it.
Why shouldn't I like it?
It would rank higher on my list if the middle Tatooine part didn't weigh it down. The beginning and end were awesome. The whole podracing thing and the buildup to it was .
And the Darth Maul duel might be the best fight scene from any of the movies. Plus I like Qui-Gon.
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 22:09
Eärendil wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
It was the first one I saw, in my case. I had it on videotape, saw it dozens of times. Played many related PC games of it.
Why shouldn't I like it?
It would rank higher on my list if the middle Tatooine part didn't weigh it down. The beginning and end were awesome. The whole podracing thing and the buildup to it was .
And the Darth Maul duel might be the best fight scene from any of the movies. Plus I like Qui-Gon.
Yeah, that final duel is just awesome.
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 22:18
The Quiet One wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
1)V
2)I
3)VI
4)IV
5)II
6)III
How can people stand the phantom menace?
It was the first one I saw, in my case. I had it on videotape, saw it dozens of times. Played many related PC games of it.
Why shouldn't I like it?
It would rank higher on my list if the middle Tatooine part didn't weigh it down. The beginning and end were awesome. The whole podracing thing and the buildup to it was .
And the Darth Maul duel might be the best fight scene from any of the movies. Plus I like Qui-Gon.
Yeah, that final duel is just awesome.
You People know nothing about film.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 22:51
^good for you.
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 23:05
How the f**k does Revenge have more than Return? How the f**k does it have even one vote? Come on...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 23:23
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 23:49
The Monodrone wrote:
How the f**k does Revenge have more than Return? How the f**k does it have even one vote? Come on...
THANK YOU.
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 23:50
Atavachron wrote:
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
I'd have to say the VAST majority of star wars cult fans dislike the prequels.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 23:55
progistoomainstream wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
I'd have to say the VAST majority of star wars cult fans dislike the prequels.
The VAST majority of music fans aren't prog fans. And your point is?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 00:09
The Monodrone wrote:
How the f**k does Revenge have more than Return? How the f**k does it have even one vote? Come on...
How the f**k does A New Hope win this poll, with its horrible acting, black-a d-white cartoonish characters and close-to-zero story?
I know it's the first one and I love it but I love it because it was the first of a series of films I really enjoy, but nowadays I see it as the most boring of all 6.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 00:10
The Doctor wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
I'd have to say the VAST majority of star wars cult fans dislike the prequels.
The VAST majority of music fans aren't prog fans. And your point is?
Outside of politics, I really like you Doc
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Posted By: TheMasterMofo
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 01:07
The T wrote:
How the f**k does A New Hope win this poll, with its horrible acting, black-a d-white cartoonish characters and close-to-zero story?
I know it's the first one and I love it but I love it because it was the first of a series of films I really enjoy, but nowadays I see it as the most boring of all 6.
A New Hope certainly isn't my favorite Star Wars movie, but I'll vehemently disagree with the notion that it has "close-to-zero story"... It's pretty much an exact replica of the Joseph Campbell monomyth story pattern; one of the most famous storylines in literature.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 02:11
progistoomainstream wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
I'd have to say the VAST majority of star wars cult fans dislike the prequels.
and I'd have to say you are quite right, though I'm not sure that really matters-- I think taken as a whole, the SW saga is successful, it's just certain sections are tedious; for me those sections are between leaving Hoth and partying with the Ewoks (that dreadful redone song&dance in Jabba's palace makes me physically ill)
Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 12:42
Atavachron wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Really? you think Jedi deserves more votes than Sith? Good luck with that..
I'd have to say the VAST majority of star wars cult fans dislike the prequels.
and I'd have to say you are quite right, though I'm not sure that really matters-- I think taken as a whole, the SW saga is successful, it's just certain sections are tedious; for me those sections are between leaving Hoth and partying with the Ewoks (that dreadful redone song&dance in Jabba's palace makes me physically ill)
I'd have to agree. The remasters were pretty bad.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 23:10
has anyone seen The People vs. George Lucas? Here's my review if interested ;
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 23:44
This is pretty good - I want to see this movie
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 23:47
^ it doesn't seem to have been released in theaters or on disc, the scuttlebutt is that Lucas is suing
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 00:48
I could totally see that happening if they ever made it - think it's a fake - but I did hear/read somewhere that he is suing someone over potential 'real' light sabers ?
Still, if I were a disgustingly rich man I'd fund them to make this
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Posted By: progistoomainstream
Date Posted: November 09 2011 at 23:51
dreadpirateroberts wrote:
I could totally see that happening if they ever made it - think it's a fake - but I did hear/read somewhere that he is suing someone over potential 'real' light sabers ?
Still, if I were a disgustingly rich man I'd fund them to make this
Suing over "real" lightsabers. I'd be funding that project. If I were him of course.
The T wrote:
, Episode Two had epic Jedi battles, but the romance between Padmé and Anaken made me want to vomit. Episode Three was fantastic.
This guy knows his stuff.
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