If Prog-Punk was a sub-genre in PA

So yeah it's a bit far-fetched, but what if Prog-Punk were a sub-genre in PA, which bands would you add? I think there's a healthy amount of bands to actually create a sub-genre. Some that I think are worthy:

Magazine, The Strangers, Wire.....although non of these are Punk in itself

Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.

lazland wrote: Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.

That's simply not true, though. There are a plenty of bands that combine elements of prog and punk, hence this thread.

Not sure about your nomination of William D. Drake, though, frippism. Not much in the way of punk going on in his solo albums.

The Hemulen wrote: lazland wrote: Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk. That's simply not true, though. There are a plenty of bands that combine elements of prog and punk, hence this thread. Not sure about your nomination of William D. Drake, though, frippism. Not much in the way of punk going on in his solo albums.

The thing is, the term prog punk is so vague it's essentially meaningless. What is one to expect from a prog punk band, a mixture of Minor Threat and Genesis?
The original punk movement was partially a reaction against prog (among other luxuries of the upper classes) so the term will come off as contradictory to most people.

In other words, Cardiacs and Ruins could be described as prog punk, but they are more accurately described as Avant and Zeuhl, respectively. Genre labels exist merely for convenience, so the less ambiguity the better.


Edited by The Miracle - October 30 2011 at 17:47

If the PA/JMA/MMA family ends up spawning Alt-Rock Archives (to cover punk, art punk, post-punk, and child genres like college rock, alternative rock, grunge, goth, indie, Britpop etc. etc.) I'd be there like a shot.

what if punk-prog was a sub genre in punk archives?

So, to what extent can we say Prog-Punk is synonymous with Post-Punk?

Hercules wrote: lazland wrote: Without meaning to be obstructive, this is a prog site. If I wanted to discuss punk bands, i would go to a punk site. There is, IMHO, no such thing as prog-punk.   Well said!   I recently got a copy of Sing to God (inspired by positive reviews on here) and 1) It's utter crap and 2) it has absolutely nothing to do with prog as I understand it.   If that's prog punk it has no place on here. I've thought for ages this site has gone FAR beyond a prog site.

I know I shouldn't, but please do elaborate on how and why you think that album is "utter crap". By which I don't mean, tell me why you didn't personally like the music, because that's not the same as proclaiming an album to be "utter crap".

The Hemulen wrote: The Miracle wrote: In other words, Cardiacs and Ruins could be described as prog punk, but they are more accurately described as Avant and Zeuhl, respectively. Genre labels exist merely for convenience, so the less ambiguity the better. I'd personally wholeheartedly disagree with those examples. Avant-Prog is actually a pretty awful and misleading description for Cardiacs, IMO, not to mention just as ambiguous (and arguably morseo than) Prog-Punk. As for Ruins, I'd much sooner label them Experimental/Math Rock over Zeuhl. These terms, like the music we attempt to apply them to, are fluid and changeable. I see no sense or benefit in sticking Band X in Genre Y to the exclusion of all other possible terminology. As for Cardiacs, they're a pop band.

I'm not that familiar with Cardiacs to be honest. Perhaps you're right.
I'm all in favor of multiple labels. For example, the Wiki entry for Ruins:
Progressive rock, noise rock, zeuhl, math rock
Is much more accurate than the PA categorization.
I meant that for the purposes of this site we have to pick the most descriptive label. Ruins don't sound much like the traditional French zeuhl, but they're the most prominent/influential band on the Japanese zeuhl scene so that's what most people associate them with.