Tom Waits for RIO

^^ Thanks Chris!

^ Pat, I like having the category.  I think it has value in that it brings more people to PA (which can bring more revenue to the site as well as get more people into music from the Prog categories), and I also think that it can be useful as a resource for finding bands/ artists with a perceived relation to Prog (the amount of relation ican be subjective, of course and some in PR I think might be better in a prog category).  For me it would be more valuabe if it were organised better and the parameters were expanded.  I'd like to see significant representation of music related to all of the different so-called prog categories at PA and be able to easily search, for instance, for progressive folk rock related music, but i digress too much.  Some of the PR additions have ranked amongst the most exciting for me -- for instance, Terry Riley (though i thought he had a case for progressive Electronic, I'm glad that having PR facilitatied including such an artist in PA). I really think it has the potential to be a very exciting archive for progressive composer/ musicians -- though I would like another related category set up for non-rock ones with a relation, within parameters, to music in the PA so-called prog categories.

There are albums in Prog related that fit my prog category definitions (in some cases I would rather an album based category for those, but that's another topic which few seem to support -- and who doesn't want album tagging?).  I think the category could be more useful for documenting more acts that have a relation to, or touch on, the various progressive rock, and progressive rock-related, movements.  It is a bit nebulous though. Much like with Prog and non-prog, one person's prog-related can be another person's prog.

If this were my site,  I'd change a hell of a lot.  Keep on wanting to make my own progressive music site, but it's a lot of work.

EDIT: I'm so prone to typos.  Should use a spell check.


Edited by Logan - October 15 2011 at 16:59

Logan wrote: ^ Pat, I like having the category.  I think it has value in that it brings more people to PA (which can bring more revenue to the site as well as get more people into music from the Prog categories), and I also think that it can be useful as a resource for finding bands/ artists with a perceived relation to Prog (the amount of relation ican be subjective, of course and some in PR I think might be better in a prog category). I'd like to see some good evidence that having a database entry for Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and the host of other "big names" in the both categories brings more people to the site - you could be right, I'd just like some confirmation that this is actually happening.  I think most people that find their way here do so through an existing prog viaduct (for example, Dream Theater).  I can appreciate doing things to increase revenue, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's appropriate for the site's misson - I'm sure if we decided to feature FHM-style pics of hot women it would do wonders for our ad revenue.     Regarding your second point - I'm sure that the existence of the categories isn't devoid of utility, but I would still assume it's rather limited, and it's probably something that could be accomplished through word of mouth on the forum (which is how I discover pretty much all interesting music these days). For me it would be more valuabe if it were organised better and the parameters were expanded.  I'd like to see significant representation of music related to all of the different so-called prog categories at PA and be able to easily search, for instance, for progressive folk rock related music, but i digress too much.  Some of the PR additions have ranked amongst the most exciting for me -- for instance, Terry Riley (though i thought he had a case for progressive Electronic, I'm glad that having PR facilitatied including such an artist in PA). I really think it has the potential to be a very exciting archive for progressive composer/ musicians -- though I would like another related category set up for non-rock ones with a relation, within parameters, to music in the PA so-called prog categories. Sounds great on paper, but the work involved considering an already overtaxed volunteer staff...don't see it happening.  To me the discovery of all the artists you'd want to put in this expanded PR I believe already happens very organically through forum discussions.  Other than that, I guess one might want certain artists here so they could review them...but to me we run the risk of turning into RYM or something of that kind, and there's enough of those sites that do all that very well.  There's no other site that does what we're trying to do as well (in my not so humble opinion). There are albums in Prog related that fit my prog category definitions (in some cases I would rather an album based category for those, but that's another topic which few seem to support -- and who doesn't want album tagging?).  I think the category could be more useful for documenting more acts that have a relation to, or touch on, the various progressive rock, and progressive rock-related, movements.  It is a bit nebulous though. Much like with Prog and non-prog, one person's prog-related can be another person's prog. If this were my site,  I'd change a hell of a lot.  Keep on wanting to make my own progressive music site, but it's a lot of work. Indeed.

I've been wanting him here for ages - never going to happen. I also want Stevie Wonder here (on the grounds that, even if Songs in the Key of Life isn't that progressive, it's absolutely the most morally perfect album ever created. I don't even agree with most of the morals it contains and I admit they're better than mine. Stevie Wonder is simply a better person than me.) 

Jon Anderson is under prog related Go figure the method in the madness......ultimately I am just glad he is here, Tom Waits generally is not getting much support. Alex Harvey Band , I stand corrected, were rejected for PR and prior to that crossover

Wow. No.

Hi, beaver.
I'm not familiar with Tom really, and simultaneously very curious how his album "that you consider his most progressive one" sounds to me.

Can I evaluate his "Swordfishtrombones"? Any other album do you think progressive?


Edited by DamoXt7942 - October 16 2011 at 02:39

DamoXt7942 wrote: And checked Tom's "Swordfishtrombones". A good album indeed, but cannot be fit for RIO / Avant-Prog subgenre nor progressive rock (can be called as avantgarde blues methinks). Any other candidate?

1.  Even if there is a difference, it's irrelevant for purposes of this discussion because both are included on the same page.  But for avant prog, Waits clearly meets almost all of the criteria.

Andyman1125 wrote: Oh my gosh let it die, please...

Sorry.  Has my reasoning interrupted the arbitrary Tom Waits hatred going on in this thread?