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Points: 905 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2011 at 02:36
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I find it a bit difficult to disdain or dislike the early IQ, though I am not a huge fan by any means.  Or Marillion for that matter. Is "original" just something that sounds out there from your perspective, I mean, how do you define it and just how much prog is original looking at it very strictly?  I cannot relate much to whatever laterly neo I have heard, which is not much, but even within that, I thought Frost was pretty interesting and smart.  
 
It's not that I think a prog band has to be original to be good, I like some of Starcastle's material ffs.
 
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I love neo prog, and the best of the bands in the sub-genre take inspiration from the original era, and turn it into something wondrous and original.
 
Lol, no they don't.
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Points: 232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:31

it's not a song or an album it's something some band do and it's a crime against prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:14
Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:

Top 3?  I have so many more:

"Dog Years" by Rush Confused
"Rivendell" by Rush
"Lakeside Park" by Rush
"Red Tide" by Rush
"War Paint" by Rush
"Show Don't Tell" by Rush
"You Bet Your Life" by Rush Dead
"Neurotica" by Rush
"Face Up" by Rush
"Faithless" by Rush
"Presto" by Rush
"Stick It Out" by Rush
"Cold Fire" by Rush

There's more.  Rush is responsible for a minor avalanche of garbage.  And to make matters worse, "Presto" and "Stick It Out" were on the set list for their most recent tour!


I think most on your list are just so-so Rush songs, not "crimes". But you left off one that I think is a crime (against an otherwise great Signals album): Countdown.



"Countdown" is a song that I sort of ignore, but don't really hate outright.  Apparently, it is not well-liked by Geddy, Alex, and Neil.  I thought "Losing It" was the weakest song on "Signals," but overall that album is pretty good (I'm not a huge fan of their collaborations with Ben Mink).
Worst Rush song ever would have to be "Dog Years."  I like everything else on "Test For Echo," but that song is just embarassing. 
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Points: 1398 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2011 at 17:34
Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:

Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:

Top 3?  I have so many more:

"Dog Years" by Rush Confused
"Rivendell" by Rush
"Lakeside Park" by Rush
"Red Tide" by Rush
"War Paint" by Rush
"Show Don't Tell" by Rush
"You Bet Your Life" by Rush Dead
"Neurotica" by Rush
"Face Up" by Rush
"Faithless" by Rush
"Presto" by Rush
"Stick It Out" by Rush
"Cold Fire" by Rush

There's more.  Rush is responsible for a minor avalanche of garbage.  And to make matters worse, "Presto" and "Stick It Out" were on the set list for their most recent tour!


I think most on your list are just so-so Rush songs, not "crimes". But you left off one that I think is a crime (against an otherwise great Signals album): Countdown.



"Countdown" is a song that I sort of ignore, but don't really hate outright.  Apparently, it is not well-liked by Geddy, Alex, and Neil.  I thought "Losing It" was the weakest song on "Signals," but overall that album is pretty good (I'm not a huge fan of their collaborations with Ben Mink).
Worst Rush song ever would have to be "Dog Years."  I like everything else on "Test For Echo," but that song is just embarassing. 


Really?  I don't see it that way at all. Losing it is one of my top 10 favorites from Rush.  In the review I'm writing for Signals (not sure when I'll publish--I keep re-writing it) I describe Losing it as one of the two classic tunes on the album (the other being Subdivisions). That's all the more reason I don't like Countdown, because it follows and ends the album kind of weak.

Test for Echo is the one Rush album I haven't heard much of, so I don't know about Dog Years.
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"Epping Forest" isn't between my favorite Genesis songs, and it will never be, but i don't think it's a "crime". The thing is it should be four or five minutes long. Not eleven......
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"We Can't Dance" is an atrocity....but is it a crime against prog?  

I used to think the studio version of "Don't Kill The Whale" was horrible, but listening to a live version turned me around! An amazing song, live!  "Tormato" is an underappreciated work of art. 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

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I used to think the studio version of "Don't Kill The Whale" was horrible, but listening to a live version turned me around! An amazing song, live!  "Tormato" is an underappreciated work of art. 
tormato is not  as bad as most yes fan would make you believe ,but just Don't Kill The Whale by name sounds way too cheese ,and the album "Tormato" it really turn off name  [ i kmow that wakeman history about the cover ] bot i guess more people would check the album if you call it  Onward , Future Times or On The Silent Wings of Freedom
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Points: 178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:23
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Epping Forest is epping brilliant.

+2

(btw, where do all the hate threads come from these days Ermm ?)
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:28
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

"Golf Girl" by Caravan
This was my first thought.
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Points: 178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:28
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

"Golf Girl" by Caravan
Russian Roulette by Triumvirat (all of it, it's horrid-especially unpleasant for me, as they are my favorite band)
Gentle Giant-Giant For A Day (i love everything they did up to this, even The Missing Piece, but this is weak and a bad attempt at commerciality)
Wallenstein-Blue Eyed Boys (all of it, it's horrid)
I like this song but does have weak lyrics, but its on Caravans best album.
I do agree with you on Giant for a DayDead
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:29
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"We Can't Dance" is an atrocity....but is it a crime against prog?  

I used to think the studio version of "Don't Kill The Whale" was horrible, but listening to a live version turned me around! An amazing song, live!  "Tormato" is an underappreciated work of art. 
Yes, We Can't Dance is a crime against prog.
 
Yes, Don't Kill The Whale came across much better live.  The Yesshows version is an improvement, and there are better versions yet out there.
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Points: 178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:47
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Epping Forest usually gets the most hate (besides the dreadful More Fool Me), but I've never gotten that. I like Epping Forest much more than Cinema Show. 

Personally, I've never understood why Abbadon's Bolero is an 8 minute song that exists on Trilogy. 
Originally posted by AA AA wrote:

Originally posted by Adams Bolero Adams Bolero wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

"Golf Girl" by Caravan
Shocked

Shocked Shocked Shocked

Yeah, it's a really bad pop song. 


I would say "love to love you (and tonight pigs will fly) fits that definition.
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Points: 178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 15:12
Originally posted by javier0889 javier0889 wrote:

People arguing what's prog or not. 
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In my Orwellian world there is no hope for rebels:Death to anti prog criminals,Death! 
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Points: 132 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 16:31
This has become one of the most amusing threads I've ever read. I love so many of the songs mentioned here LOL
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 16:48
Crimes against frogs? Gee, I never suspected they adhered to policing and governmental domination. 
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Points: 2866 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 17:14
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

"Golf Girl" by Caravan
 
I thought that song was a nice little tune.
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Golf Girl is one of the best 2 tracks on Caravan's worst early album
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Points: 431 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Adams Bolero Adams Bolero wrote:

Originally posted by timburlane timburlane wrote:

2; Love Beach - ELP (all of it, it's horrid)
It is not all horrid; there is some great music in it. I will defend Love Beach till my dying day!

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Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman is a fantastic song IMHO

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Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:09
There are bands, albums and songs that I don't like, but the only true crime against prog was committed by one Robert Fripp, when he declared prog bands to be "dinosaurs", giving the toadies in the music press a reason to show disdain for a genre that was too complex or sophisticated for them.
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