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Topic: Crimes Against Prog
Posted By: timburlane
Subject: Crimes Against Prog
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 17:44
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I was listening to Yes' Tormato album the other day - not a masterwork but an album with a great deal to enjoy contained within, as well a the odd flash of genius (On The Silent Wings Of Freedom for instance). However there is one song on the album which is frankly hideous, I refer of course to The Circus Of Heaven. I can forgive Yes a great deal but truly this track is nothing more nor less than a shocking crime against prog with it's twee syrupyness and sickening sentimentality. This set me to thinking and now I give you my top three crimes against prog:
1; The Circus of Heaven - Yes
2; Love Beach - ELP (all of it, it's horrid)
3; The Battle of Epping Forest - Genesis
you of course may think differently... ------------- never eat anything bigger than your head |
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:03
I haven't heard the first two so I can't comment. As for Epping Forest... it's no Cinema Show but I never thought it was that bad... ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:12
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Circus of Heaven I agree. Love Beach I disagree......not all of it anyway Epping Forest is epping brilliant.
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:13
It is not all horrid; there is some great music in it. I will defend Love Beach till my dying day! ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
timburlane wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:15
You and me, pal!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:15
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:34
+2 (btw, where do all the hate threads come from these days  ?) |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 18:57
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The Battle for Epping Forest is a good song. And it's prog. ------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 19:43
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"Golf Girl" by Caravan Russian Roulette by Triumvirat (all of it, it's horrid-especially unpleasant for me, as they are my favorite band) Gentle Giant-Giant For A Day (i love everything they did up to this, even The Missing Piece, but this is weak and a bad attempt at commerciality) Wallenstein-Blue Eyed Boys (all of it, it's horrid) |
Posted By: glenn_ecko
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 19:52
| Epping Forest is from Selling England By The Pound, which is one of the best albums ever made IMHO. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:02
About half of it is actually quite good. Love Beach is a much better album than "In the Hot Seat". As for "Tomato" there may be the odd good song or two, just as "The ladder" contains one or two OK songs, but why waste your time listening to inferior Yes when there is so much better music around to listen to?
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:09
 ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:21
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Yes - Owner of a Lonely Heart
Rush - Dog Years
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Posted By: AA
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:36
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:42
| Love Epping--(certainly prog) Like Circus (come on he wrote it for his three year old son)---not a big ELP fan---so I guess I agree with Beach. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:45
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 20:50
I think the first one I witnessed first hand when it came out was Genesis' Misunderstanding. It really was some kind of mistake.  Circus is much better as parts of Love Beach and The Battle. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: mourningknight
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:29
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The Battle Of Epping Forest is not just brilliant, it's mailto:FU@#ING" rel="nofollow - FU@#ING BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:41
Add me as well but......the LP cover has got to go. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:43
For me, this is exactly why I may agree to consider Epping Forest a Crime against prog, because it is the one song that brings this album down for me, and won't allow me to consider it a 5 star masterpiece. I would even say the albums survives "I Know What I like" and "More Fool me", which, even though pop songs, the first I would even say is a good pop song, and the second may not be good, but it doesn't really bother me much, and it's rather short. Epping Forest, on the other side, annoys me quiet a bit, and it's 10 min long, so it can't be ignored (it can be skipped, ofcourse, but then you're not listening to the whole album). |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:43
| The genre of neo-prog is a crime against music, let alone against prog |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:43
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I like The Circus of Heaven, at one point in time it was my Ringback tone. I must be listening to it wrong. :(
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 21:46
And what makes worse the Circus of Heaven Crime, is that Yes actually played that song live... |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 23:18
We need hate to measure love by.  Meh, doesn't work as well as the pain and pleasure version, does it. anyway, calling The Battle of Epping Forest a "crime against prog" is like calling Cheerios a crime against breakfast. And "Circus of Heaven" is definitely not worse than the UFO song, which is not even half as bad as "Into the Lens" ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 23:26
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Epping Forest usually gets the most hate (besides the dreadful More Fool Me), but I've never gotten that. I like Epping Forest much more than Cinema Show. Personally, I've never understood why Abbadon's Bolero is an 8 minute song that exists on Trilogy.
Yeah, it's a really bad pop song. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 01:17
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Circus of Heaven is quite ok!
Here are much worse songs to be considered crimes:
King Crimson - Cat food
The Flower Kings - Bavarian Skies
Steve Hackett - The Ballad of a decomposing man
Unitopia - I wish I could fly
Porcupine Tree -The creator has a master plan ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 01:41
What on earth are you talking about? You sound deluded, I'll call a doctor... ------------- 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 01:48
I would say a lot of In Abstentia is a crime, but that's a bit of a controversial statement...
Colin is just trolling these negative threads, don't mind him. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 02:19
| I'm not, though. It's so bad! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 02:30
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Dream Theater - The Test That Stumped Them All. This is the kind of song that feeds the myth that prog is tasteless, nerdy self indulgence. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 04:51
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 05:02
I don't think they had prog in mind at all when they did it. I regard it as a good piece of 70s classic rock. Definitely not something against prog. |
Posted By: timburlane
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 05:29
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I'm right with you on "The Creator Has A Masterplan" and would like to add PT's "The Sound Of Muzak" which makes my toes curl. Regarding "Epping Forest" I think it's the ill-conceived comedy intentions of the song that really get on my nerves, especially when the rest of the album is so perfect "More Fool Me" notwithstanding. ------------- never eat anything bigger than your head |
Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 05:54
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Starlight Man by The Flower Kings, damn it's so lame... same thing with The Sun in my Eyes by The Tangent, but at least this one makes me laugh, I can imagine a video for this song featuring a young Travolta ------------- But now my branches suffer And my leaves don't bear the glow They did so long ago |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 06:34
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The Wall. ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 09:17
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Seems like most of the offenders are songs that are intentionally funny. Some of you just don't have a good sense of humor. But if we're going to have some fun with this thread, how about Genesis Scenes From A Night's Dream?  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 09:59
Battle Of Epping Forest is a brave an interesting choice. Personally I find it a bit boring and the main reason I can't regard SEBTP as a masterpeice anymore although I probably wouldn't go as far to call it a 'crime against prog'.
The ELP choice is an obvious one and the band disowned it very quickly.Ahmet Ertegun (the President of Atlantic records at the time) talked them into it (well so the band claim anyway)
ELP - In The Hot Seat is even worse tbh.
Genesis - Abacab (except Dodo/Lurker)
Marillion - Brave (absolutely hate this)
..plus anything by The Flower Kings , possibly the most boring and aimless prog band on the planet (imo)
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 10:13
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Reading these hate threads makes me rage hard.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 10:18
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Zappa - Hot Rats ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: January 29 2011 at 20:13
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 10:09
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If I should choose a Caravan song that ruins ITLOGAP it would be "Love to love you" which is a silly pop song ()but not a crime, I don't go so far).
However, what's the point of trying to remember bad songs instead of ignoring them ? If it's for a good provocation like the case of Epping forest .... well, that may be an interesting debate (personally I think it's a nice one though not one of my favorites), otherwise I find it useless. ------------- omri |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: January 30 2011 at 23:41
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I don't find 'Love to love you' that bad. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Rasvamakkara
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 02:30
Every review of A Place in the Queue seems to mock The Sun in my Eyes, but I think it's wonderful. Not everything has to be prog to be good. On an album that mostly criticises society, a song like The Sun in my Eyes is a great break. I still remember the first time I heard the song. I had bought A Place in the Queue and transferred it to my mp3-player. I was listening to it for the first time on a trip to a grocery store. I fell in love with The Sun in my Eyes immediately and listened to it probably five times in a row before I listened the last song on the album. I remember wishing I was home so I could dance to it. The song still makes me smile every time I hear it. |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 03:46
Ouch, to bad. I love neo prog. Love Marillion with H and Fish. Probably in my top 5 favs. Much worse music out there man. |
Posted By: let prog reign
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 08:17
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 10:06
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 10:21
I really like that song. I much prefer it to Golf Girl.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 11:01
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 12:32
| Most songs mentioned I can do without (with "Cat Food" the exception), but what is really a crime is to recycle riffs and ideas. Jon Anderson is a particular criminal with "Boundaries" on Animation essentially repeated as "Somehow, Someday" on Open Your Eyes and "O'er" on The Promise Ring. This is supposed to be progressive music?! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:44
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:47
| I agree with Epping Forest. Terrible, terrible song. A skipper, but then again there are only three songs on Selling England I don't skip. (Dancing, I Know What I Like, The Cinema Show) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 14:56
I actually like this one a lot |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:43
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 16:46
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prog law seems like such a mess
i revel in crimes against prog
viva la prog anarchy!!!
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 13:22
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 14:27
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The Devil's Triangle - King Crimson The Ancient Giants Under the Sun - Yes The 344 new age piano albums Rick Wakeman released every other week during the 80's Greg Lake's side of Works Volume 1 by ELP Most of the Neo Prog that I've heard Most of the Prog Metal that I've heard Love Beach (the title track) from ELP Joe's Garage by Frank Zappa Hawkwind Gong's Radio Gnome Trilogy Jon Anderson Last and by no means least, many prog fan's blinkered attitudes to music that lies outside the cramped cosmos of 'accredited' Prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: BlindGuard
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 15:06
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Owner of a lonely heart by Yes. How can it be that one of the greatest prog band ever do something like this?! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Shelef/?chartstyle=lastfmplain" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 15:13
I love that song. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 15:22
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 15:28
Me three
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 17:10
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 17:14
Saying that I love that song is an understatement. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 19:30
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That's one of those songs off of one of those albums that I have heard often enough for my lifetime. Not trashing it. It is what it is.
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 22:22
Not to say I disagree, but I'd like to hear your take on this album. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 22:26
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 23:15
I agree. "The Battle of Epping Forest" is a failure and detracts from an otherwise masterly recording, and the fact that it drones on for nearly a fifth of the album only makes it worse. It is a mirror, in a way, of the problems I have with The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, where the first half of the album is brilliant but the second meanders about like a dog trying to bite its own tail. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 23:28
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Sign me up for the "Epping Forest is Epping Brilliant" party.
And sign me up for this one too.
Marillion are the exception, not the rule. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 23:32
You know, you were the main reason I stopped posting on this forum. But now it should be apparrent to everyone here how generally wrong about everything you are. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 23:38
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Top 3? I have so many more: "Dog Years" by Rush "Rivendell" by Rush "Lakeside Park" by Rush "Red Tide" by Rush "War Paint" by Rush "Show Don't Tell" by Rush "You Bet Your Life" by Rush  "Neurotica" by Rush "Face Up" by Rush "Faithless" by Rush "Presto" by Rush "Stick It Out" by Rush "Cold Fire" by Rush There's more. Rush is responsible for a minor avalanche of garbage. And to make matters worse, "Presto" and "Stick It Out" were on the set list for their most recent tour! |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:08
oh boo hoo
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:12
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There's only so much pompousness I can tolerate. I still show his reviews to friends from time to time so they can laugh at him with equal astonishment. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:17
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I love "Joe's Garage"...looks like I'm in the minority though! I hate almost anything by Yes, especially "90125." Also, I loathe Marillion. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:22
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I like more than a few songs mentioned, I actually like The Devil's Triangle for it's atmosphere.
The only King Crimson song I sincerely hate is Heartbeat. BRRRRR. What were they thinking? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:35
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Ah, the illustrious "Heartbeat." Who knew Fripp could be such a Casanova? Not only is he intelligent and refined, he's also got a deep well of emotion. Those lyrics are something else. "Sartori In Tangier" is really good though. I am ashamed to admit that "Beat" is one of my favorite King Crimson albums, which is highly embarrassing considering its reputation among Prog fans. The early 80's lineup is my favorite Crimson lineup, aside from that found on the first album. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 02:01
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I don't really consider any of the King Crimson albums to be bad, ConstrucKtion of Light would be my least favorite. Beat would probably be next in line though it has grown on me a bit aside from that one song. My favorite tracks from Beat would be Sartori, Waiting Man, Neurotica and The Howler. I don't dislike Heartbeat because it's a pop song, but because it's a very bland and generic one, not all that different from that OTHER Heartbeat song from the 80s, the one from Don Johnson.
 Beat is my least favorite of their 80s trilogy, oddly enough I consider it their least poppy. While 80s King Crimson was rather pop (hence why people here hate that era JUST because it's poppy) what they were doing was a very creative and out there kind of pop music, on par with the best new wave bands of the time and not at all lacking the ambition you expect from King Crimson.
In fact I hold the followup album Three of a Perfect Pair in very high regard despite it's highly unfavorable reputation among prog fans for it's poppy first half, which I actually favor over the more avant garde second half. I think King Crimson did pop very well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 09:44
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Go to the musicians themselves! "Owner of a Lonely Heart"...ugh! I always enjoyed watching Howe make faces whenever he was forced to play that mess (Reunion tour, 35th Anniversary shows etc.) He looks like he's biting into a lemon, or worse! "Epping Forest" isn't the best Genesis, but the worst Gabriel-era Genesis is far better than nearly anything made lately. Banks gets an excellent tone out of his Hammond organ. And, "Selling England" was a masterpiece, so I forgive one weak track on the LP.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 09:52
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What does Howe have to be embarassed about? I'd much rather play Owner of a Lonely Heart (which I actually like even though it has the misfortune of being THAT song everybody associates the band with) than Heat of the Moment.
 I'm an avid defender of 90125, not that I think it's a masterpiece or anything but I find it to be a pretty good pop record, even as mainstream as it is it's not uninventive (leave that to later albums) and is still leagues better than a lot of pop music from that era and today.
Asia on the other hand...............
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 04 2011 at 09:53
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I also don't believe there are "crimes against prog" since in order for there to be crimes there has to be rules. The whole idea of progressive music is not having to follow any rules. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 05 2011 at 02:31
Not embarrassed, he just HATES that song! He doesn't like any of Trevor Rabin's material. I know Howe a bit, the bass in my photo was hand-built by Howe's personal luthier, Hugh Manson. Nice chap, he does the guitar work for Martin Barre, John Paul Jones & other guys besides Howe. I enjoy much of "90125," and "It Can Happen" is my personal favorite. Rabin did the band a favor by giving them a hugely-needed shot in the arm, as they were in dire financial straits. The single "OOALH" made them some serious cash & a younger following. Can't say that I care for the rest of the Rabin/Yes catalog, "Big Generator" always left me cold. "Union" was nicknamed "Onion" by the band, and I don't know "Talk" all that well. "Heat of the Moment" - UGH! What a stinker! My favorite on the first Asia LP was "Sole Survivor," very nice tune. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 05 2011 at 07:09
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That's pretty sweet, the only bass I have is a cheap Telluride. :(
But i'm not a good enough musician to deserve anything of higher quality I guess.
Anyway, Howe is my favorite guitarist, and I'm very fond of Wetton and Palmer as well (and I like Downes work on Drama too) but a lot of what I've heard from Asia (as in that particular lineup) has been a massive waste of talent. Even when Yes went pop they still had creativity for a while anyway. While right from the get go Asia were doing bland AOR.
I do have their first two albums on vinyl, which I'm not ashamed of because regardless of what I think of the music, the Roger Dean artwork kicks all kinds of ass.
As for Yes. I'd say Big Generator was their first genuine bomb (I do like Final Eyes though) and it wasn't until Wakeman and Howe's return for Keys that they started getting back on the right track. I do think people are a bit too harsh on Rabin though, he's a good guitar player and I think his contributions to 90125 were good at least, and even after that album there were a few gems beneath all the crap, when he had something to work with he did a good job.
Shame about Union though, proof that not all things end up being as cool as they sound on paper, at least the cover art was good.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: February 05 2011 at 07:26
I'll join the bandwagon, never thought Love Beach was as terrible as many seem to think. Also, I'm surprised to not see much love for The Battle of Epping Forest, I've always considered it to be one of their absolute best tracks. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 05 2011 at 22:19
Have you heard Asia's album Phoenix? For me it was better than the first two albums (nothing too spectacular, but it was a very nice pop album); and it features the song Parallel Worlds / Deja / Vortex, which is indeed very close to a prog song (or rather, it begins as a pop song, and then has a very good progressive instrumental section); at least this song is worth hearing from Asia. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 05 2011 at 22:20
Have you at least heard Endless Dream from Talk? I really enjoy that song a lot, a great progressive epic song... but of course, not everyone will like it. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:03
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The Battle of Epping Forest is a masterpiece of Progressive Rock compositions. Sorry timburlane
I neither agree or disagree about Yes and I personally havent heard Love Beach by ELP.
Here's my 3
1.Owner of a Lonely heart - Yes
2. Invisible Touch - Genesis
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Posted By: Blue Effect
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:16
Blasphemy!
Follow You, Follow Me, now that was criminal.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 12:33
And this is the main reason I wish you would stop:
I can hardly stand 70s purists. Oh but you might like newer stuff, as long as it tries really hard to emulate the 70s sound or as long as it doesn't dare be in any way conventional. Might as well listen to BTBAM and pretend it's not scatter shot and horribly strewn together. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:11
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That has to be the most totally wrongheaded generalisation made about me in quite some time.
Yeah I only like bands that made music in the 70s. What do you know about my taste in music exactly?
I do like music made after the 70s. And most of it doesn't sound "70s ish".
Oh, and I hate neo prog because it's original? What a laugh.
I dont listen to BTBAM, but at least there seems to be an adventerous spirit behind what they do. Unlike IQ which is about as ambitious as a Lifetime original movie, only even more boring. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:18
I'd rather say you might try hard to avoid liking things that are unoriginal. As this forum repeatedly indicates, it's a common problem with prog fans. "Oh no, an actual song?" *gasp of horror* ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:28
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Do you realise how much non prog I listen to?
I know a lot of people seem to have a niche in prog. But I'm also into classic rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock, punk, pop, r&b, electronic, alternative rock, hip hop, video game music and whatever I'm in the mood for at the moment, it varies.
Not that my taste is diverse enough to really impress anybody or anything, I don't listen to inuit throat singing or anything like that. But yeah, saying I only like prog is absurd, especially if you consider how often I rant about people who say that prog is superior to all other genres.
I hate neo prog because it's incredibly dull and uninspired, not because it's faux prog (which it is). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:33
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Ah well, your type is endemic around this forum. Just something about Neo that makes you not appreciate it. Your fault, not the genre's. I've been down this road too many times before. Done talking now.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:49
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I like a bit of all the prog genres listed on this site. And I can easily say neo prog is the least interesting of the bunch, it's not a sub-genre so much as a flanderization of the real thing. A sub-genre is supposed to take an idea of the original genre and throw in some extra ingredients. Neo prog's idea of spicing it up is completely watering it all down to the familiar sound of prog but avoiding everything that was ambitious and enjoyable about the original prog movement, it's a bland mechanical imitation. It's as progressive as Toto.
The only neo prog band I've come to like so far is Marillion, and Frost* if they count.
I do think there is great new prog out there, don't get me wrong. But these bands aren't third rate Genesis ripoffs. If anything they're the bands who get hated on by this forum for NOT being third rate Genesis ripoffs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 14:52
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Can't say I care for your definition of Neo prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: javier0889
Date Posted: February 12 2011 at 15:15
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People arguing what's prog or not.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:11
| I find it a bit difficult to disdain or dislike the early IQ, though I am not a huge fan by any means. Or Marillion for that matter. Is "original" just something that sounds out there from your perspective, I mean, how do you define it and just how much prog is original looking at it very strictly? I cannot relate much to whatever laterly neo I have heard, which is not much, but even within that, I thought Frost was pretty interesting and smart. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:49
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I love neo prog, and the best of the bands in the sub-genre take inspiration from the original era, and turn it into something wondrous and original.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 21:51
| Seriously, I can't stand The Battle of Epping Forest. It's like if you took a good album, cut out all of the average parts of all the songs that are uninteresting and just kinda go by, and stitched them all together randomly in one song. |
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Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 22:46
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:50
Most of the songs here listed I really like a lot. Stand out tracks are "Stick It Out", "Presto". "Show Don't Tell", Rivendell" and "Lakesiden Park", but the others bare vall greatv songs too. And "Countdown" is my favourite song on Signals. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 02:20
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Show Don't Tell was the great Rush fake out song. I really thought the album was going to be great when I heard that song. It was like, "Oh wow, Rush is back!"....What a disappointment after that.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 02:22
That's exactly how I feel...except replace the words"Battle of Epping Forest" with the word "Hemispheres". ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |