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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 18:02
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Iron Maiden anyone? Though some say it isn't "prog enough" 

People say that?Confused

...Just wow. the stupidity of some peoples prejudices is baffling. If Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son was released in 1976 it would have 5 stars and people reviewing it every day. Prog is Prog whatever the decade 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 23:17
Colin Newman released a really great album in 1986, called Commercial Suicide, and was
very much a "progressive" rock album, but more from a Brian Eno angle. 

The embed isn't working for me so hopefully these links will do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jR3_RhgM8A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOMvJt2CVj8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PofN0N30CvA


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 23:19
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Iron Maiden anyone? Though some say it isn't "prog enough" 

People say that?Confused

...Just wow. the stupidity of some peoples prejudices is baffling. If Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son was released in 1976 it would have 5 stars and people reviewing it every day. Prog is Prog whatever the decade 


Seventh Son is not all that much more prog than Sabotage or Rising and I don't think those too are considered pure prog albums, more like prog related. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 23:28
Yes, I think what's called "post punk" really sucked up the mental energy in the 80's.
Coming from a solid prog background, I followed Eno, Gabriel and Fripp in interviews
to the Heads, Devo, then went into bands like Teardrop Explodes, Joy Division, early Cure,
Echo and the Bunnymen, The Stranglers, and I did like the first polyrock album when it came out.


Check out the first part of this one by Newman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai242oPDOQc&playnext=1&list=PL23A48C82D321CFAC

Some of Newman's better stuff isn't on youtube, but here are a few more of interest to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt3jASQyKeA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltOjOxgj96Y&feature=related




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 07:13
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Iron Maiden anyone? Though some say it isn't "prog enough" 

People say that?Confused

...Just wow. the stupidity of some peoples prejudices is baffling. If Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son was released in 1976 it would have 5 stars and people reviewing it every day. Prog is Prog whatever the decade 


Seventh Son is not all that much more prog than Sabotage or Rising and I don't think those too are considered pure prog albums, more like prog related. 

It's the same argument that can be brought up with Floyd albums but I think in terms of the music and the way it is presented it is a very progressive album. Iron Maiden aren't a pure prog band but this album to me definitely goes down as Prog Metal 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 07:58
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Iron Maiden anyone? Though some say it isn't "prog enough" 

People say that?Confused

...Just wow. the stupidity of some peoples prejudices is baffling. If Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son was released in 1976 it would have 5 stars and people reviewing it every day. Prog is Prog whatever the decade 


Seventh Son is not all that much more prog than Sabotage or Rising and I don't think those too are considered pure prog albums, more like prog related. 

It's the same argument that can be brought up with Floyd albums but I think in terms of the music and the way it is presented it is a very progressive album. Iron Maiden aren't a pure prog band but this album to me definitely goes down as Prog Metal 

Well, some songs of Floyd aren't prog, like Have a Cigar or Young Lust, and some are, like Set Controls to the Heart of the Sun. So it is not an invalid argument either.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2011 at 13:58
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Possibly Saga? Their live album is pretty good, but I haven't heard them all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2011 at 14:54
Floyd's The Wall was the best thing that came from the 80s... and also, me.Cool

But there's also a lot of great stuff from Zappa, various Miles Davis live recordings, John Scofield, Talking Heads, R.E.M., Cardiacs, KC, ZZ Top, Dire Straits, Bill Frisell, Steely Dan, David Bowie, Motorhead, and some stuff from Pat Metheny.

And hellooo?? Bon Jovi?DeadSick


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2011 at 18:29
Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Possibly Saga? Their live album is pretty good, but I haven't heard them all.
 
I think you could say that. Saga issued Silent Knight in 1980, and I think it's their overall "proggiest."
 
Eloy's Colours also came out in 1980! My fave Eloy work, next to the Planets/Time To Turn double album (the label made them split it into separate releases, back-to-back).
 
I think it's safe to say *most* Rushfans gravitate towards their first three albums of the '80s and identify one of those as their best offering.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2011 at 18:51
Some true advances for Prog in the 1980s:

Final Cut
Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Talk Talk

the song Echoes by Camel (Sweet Quetzalcoatl!)

ELO's Time

Yes, Genesis in the 1980s, but it is contradictory

Marrillion, Clutching at Straws, etc.

Peter Gabriel Melt, yes

.... so there is some, plus 90125 and Momentary Lapse which fuse the best of the bad 80s with Prog sensibilities (rather like Genesis).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2011 at 22:22
Cardiacs made 3 out of their 7 best albums in the 80s. 
Univers Zero had a couple of nice one.
Fred Frith had many a good album solo and with projects such as Skeleton Crew and with Henry Kaiser. 

There is no best time for prog, there's crap and there's good stuff, sometimes it's a bit more successful financially and sometimes it's not, but the creativity is always there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 02:43
May I say that I also find it rather sad that people are again and again attacking the 80s, like they were expecting bands to create the same stuff that they created in the 70s. There was great stuff in the 70s, and there was great stuff in the 80s, and sometimes it just came from different places. You can't just think that Yes sold out and PF sold out and there was just neo-prog... I think most proggers tag the 80s as bad without really thinking of the piles and piles of crap produced every decade and the respectable amount of great stuff in every decade. Do most proggers deny that disco and Kiss were in the 70s???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 06:43
More great 70's Best selling artist :
Those were the times that FM radio was playing great art:
Donny Osmond
Gilbert O'Sullivan
Gary Glitter
David Cassidy
Barry White
Telly Savalas
Bay City Rollers
Showaddywaddy
 
What a wonderfull list o
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by tamijo - July 19 2011 at 06:44
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 06:46
Rock music prob. declined some in quality (in general but not allways) in the 80's, but POP on the other hand improved quite a bit, compares to the 70's
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 09:01
Best 80's album ever (IMHO).

Jethro Tull's The Broadsword & The Beast


I sincerely think that the 80s gave birth to the worst music ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 09:37
^ and some of the best...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 10:36
I currently listen more to 80s progressive rock than to 70s prog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 12:34
^ apart from Captain Beefheart and Residents the bands I frequently listen to are post 70s
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2011 at 17:34
80s are fine for me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 17:04
Reading through this thread has been painful. Oh, the joys of internet arguments...

That said, I'll admit that my knowledge of 80s music is limited. In terms of prog, Rush, Univers Zero, and Eloy released excellent albums. Neo-prog isn't my favorite genre, but Marillion and IQ are worthy of mention as well.

I think it was probably the best decade for the advancement of metal, with thrash, black, death, and prog metal all starting here. I know a lot of people here aren't too keen on metal, but for those that are, the 80s had Queensryche, Watchtower, Fates Warning, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, among others.

There was also a lot of other interesting non-prog, including the Cure, Fields of the Nephilim, Talk Talk, the Smiths, Depeche Mode, and New Order. Plus you have Foreigner and Journey! So maybe it was the worst decade for prog - that's debatable. Either way, there was a lot of other interesting and influential music, and we shouldn't limit ourselves just to prog.
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