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 Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:33 |
Further expanding upon that:
The 73 home runs is quite recent and therefore seems reachable. However, it may be more difficult to create a medically enhanced body capable of generating that much power going forward now that they are apparently serious about removing such items from the game.
The 56 game hitting streak is the one that is most amazing to me that it hasn't been broken. A batter would have to go 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 every game in order to generate a batting average between .200 and .250. That is the kind of batting average that gets players booed. And yet, the closest anyone has gotten was Pete Rose with his 40+ streak, and players rarely even make it to a 30-game streak anymore.
Pete Rose's career hits record is probably pretty safe too. His career lasted 23 years, and players rarely last that long any more. 185 hits a year over 23 years or 200 hits a year over 21 years is pretty difficult to see happening. Jeter is 1,252 short of that right now and is 37 years old. If he plays 6 or 7 more years at a high level then maybe, but I don't think that this is likely. Next on the current list of possibilities would be A-Rod. After that, maybe Pujols.
I think that Verlander has his eyes and heart set on Nolan Ryan's 7 career no-hitter record. He feels he should go out and throw a no-hitter every game. With his stuff I think that he is capable of it, but with all of his stuff, it still takes quite a bit of luck from his friends in the field making the 15 or so plays that are needed from guys who don't strike out.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:35 |
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Ok...I thought this is one of the better ESPN polls of late......The conversations could be endless on this one, I don't know that I have clear single choice.......What do you all think? Right now I am leaning towards B.
"Which baseball record set since 1941 is the most unbreakable?
A) Barry Bonds 73 single season HR.
B) Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.
C) Cal Ripken Jr's 2,632 consecutive games played.
D) Pete Roses' 4,256 career hits
E) Nolan Ryan's 7 career ho hitters. |
Of those, Bonds' record I'd think would be the easiest on to break if someone get's hot enough. The other 4 seem to me to be significantly tougher.
I couldn't imagine anybody playing more than 16 years without being given a rest anymore. It's probably the record of the above that the least amount of players would actually strive to break. |
If Joey Bats did roids I think he could break Bond's record.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:35 |
Padraic wrote:
Amend question to start at 1938 and
F) Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters
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G) Denny McLain 30+ wins in 1968. Will anyone ever win 30 games in a season again with a 5-man rotation and 162 game season. 5-man rotation basically means that a starting pitcher is only going to make 32 or 33 starts during the year.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:37 |
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^ I wouldn't really count something like that because it's not really performance based. A pitcher has no control on how many games he's allowed to start.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:39 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Stooge wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Ok...I thought this is one of the better ESPN polls of late......The conversations could be endless on this one, I don't know that I have clear single choice.......What do you all think? Right now I am leaning towards B.
"Which baseball record set since 1941 is the most unbreakable?
A) Barry Bonds 73 single season HR.
B) Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.
C) Cal Ripken Jr's 2,632 consecutive games played.
D) Pete Roses' 4,256 career hits
E) Nolan Ryan's 7 career ho hitters. |
Of those, Bonds' record I'd think would be the easiest on to break if someone get's hot enough. The other 4 seem to me to be significantly tougher.
I couldn't imagine anybody playing more than 16 years without being given a rest anymore. It's probably the record of the above that the least amount of players would actually strive to break. |
If Joey Bats did roids I think he could break Bond's record.
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Also, I wonder if you put a guy like Miguel Cabrera or Pujols in a park like Fenway how many more home runs they would hit. Although Cabrera has so much power to right field, he could probably set the record if he played at Yankee Stadium. With that short fence at Yankee Stadium I suspect a big strong left-handed hitter will come along and break the record. Just look at how many homers Granderson is hitting these days.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:41 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
^ I wouldn't really count something like that because it's not really performance based. A pitcher has no control on how many games he's allowed to start. |
I suppose, but to a certain extent a player has no control over how many games he is allowed to play either. I am just saying that it is a number that we will never see again. Maybe more appropriately, Cy Young's career win record should also be on that list, as well as his career loss record.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:41 |
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Baseball may shift again to allow it to be broken, but yes I really doubt it.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:47 |
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McLain was 31 and 6 with a 1.96 era in 1968. He started 41 games and had decisions in 37 of them. He threw 28 complete games that year. With most pitchers not named Doc Halladay or Justin Verlander taken out of most starts after the 6th inning. McLain ended his career with only 131 wins, so 1968 was one hell of a year for him.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:50 |
rushfan4 wrote:
[QUOTE=Equality 7-2521] Maybe more appropriately, Cy Young's career win record should also be on that list, as well as his career loss record. |
That's another list I would like to see.......a "negative" list like losses, errors, BB, K's.....so on
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:00 |
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What about SB? Ricky Henderson has about 1400 I think in his career?? And single season is like 130 something...that seems pretty unlikely.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:04 |
Career Strikeouts - Reggie Jackson - 2597 (Jim Thome is at 2431 and Brandon Inge or Ryan Raburn may strike out enough times this year alone to pass him).
Caught Stealing - Rickey Henderson - 335
Losses - Cy Young - 316
BBs - Nolan Ryan - 2795
Errors - Herman Long - 1096
Double Plays Grounded Into - Cal Ripken - 350 (Pudge is at 336)
Outs Made - Pete Rose - 10328
Earned Runs - Cy Young - 2147
Wild Pitches - Nolan Ryan - 277 (although a Tony Mullane had 343 in the 1800's)
Edited by rushfan4 - July 11 2011 at 12:11
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:07 |
Catcher10 wrote:
What about SB? Ricky Henderson has about 1400 I think in his career?? And single season is like 130 something...that seems pretty unlikely. |
RIckey had 1406. Rickey had 130. There was a Hugh Nicol who had 138 steals in 1887, but that isn't included in the modern era records.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:21 |
^ Hmmm....I'm liking this stat as one to not be broken.
- 0.80 SB per game to match Ricky. Total bases has to be pretty good as you need to get on base somehow.....hit, walk, HBP, Error, SAC, FC..
In Ricky's 130 SB season, how many times did he get caught?
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:45 |
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He got caught 42 times.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:19 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Amend question to start at 1938 and
F) Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters
will be the correct answer.
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G) Denny McLain 30+ wins in 1968. Will anyone ever win 30 games in a season again with a 5-man rotation and 162 game season. 5-man rotation basically means that a starting pitcher is only going to make 32 or 33 starts during the year. |
30 wins seems pretty safe when teams see pitchers as more as an investment these days. You never heard of pitch counts back in the 60's. What about 40 wins by a pitcher or 511 wins as well?
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:20 |
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The Buccos are a game out and still above .500. Do you believe in miracles?
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:34 |
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I hope they buy at the deadline and make a run for it.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:43 |
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I hope they buy at the deadline and make a run for it.
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Not likely, although they are not happy with Overbay's production at the moment. If Garrett Jones would pick up where he left off ;last year Overbay wouldn't be in the lineup. They were talking yesterday how the Buccos got to make a choice on Maholm's option of 9.75M next year. This all goes back to them picking up any more money this year. No money for a small market team.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 17:12 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Amend question to start at 1938 and
F) Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters
will be the correct answer.
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G) Denny McLain 30+ wins in 1968. Will anyone ever win 30 games in a season again with a 5-man rotation and 162 game season. 5-man rotation basically means that a starting pitcher is only going to make 32 or 33 starts during the year. |
Right idea, wrong player/total:
Hoss Radbourn won 59 games in 1884
Also, Vander Meer's 21 consecutive hitless innings will never be touched
And while I'm at it: Rickey Henderson's run's scored record is a complete joke. I hate when players limp on years after they should retire just to break a record. That goes for you too, Emmitt Smith.
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 17:19 |
manofmystery wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Amend question to start at 1938 and
F) Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters
will be the correct answer.
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G) Denny McLain 30+ wins in 1968. Will anyone ever win 30 games in a season again with a 5-man rotation and 162 game season. 5-man rotation basically means that a starting pitcher is only going to make 32 or 33 starts during the year. |
Right idea, wrong player/total:
Hoss Radbourn won 59 games in 1884
Also, Vander Meer's 21 consecutive hitless innings will never be touched
And while I'm at it: Rickey Henderson's run's scored record is a complete joke. I hate when players limp on years after they should retire just to break a record. That goes for you too, Emmitt Smith. |
Yes, but Denny Mclain was the last pitcher to reach 30 wins, and that was what I was referring to.
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