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    Posted: November 16 2004 at 18:26
hey, I wrote some prog lyrics for a side project, pink floyd/genesis style prog band that Im starting with my friends.

Are they alright? rate it on the poll and then leave a comment. Please be honest though. Anyway I might work on it more but this is what i have for now. It's about drug addiction:

Sun and Shadow
(B. Waye)

I. Seduction

Sun take hold of shadow,
Hold it in your warm arms,
Pull the darkness into you,
Become one,
Become all,
Become one,
Destroy one's innocence,
Become one,
Become all,
Become one,

Darkness catch the light,
Within your hands of ashen grey,
Hold the light within your grasp,
Until the sunlight melts away,
Feel the warmth receed,
Until the blackness stills your mind,
Feel the chill,
Upon your spine,
Become one,
Become all,
Become one,

II. Into the Void

(Instrumental)

III. Solitary Self

Wake upon the aftermath,
Of Transcending sun and shadow,
The skies now bleak,
Reflect your destiny,

Spoken in a nameless fate,
Envisioned in a nameless dream,
Broken in a nameless fashion,
In a Solitary State of
Being one,
Being all,
Being one,
Frozen in the grasp of time,
Hand of shadow,
Cover hand of light,
To sound the bell of our contempt,
The state of
Being one,
Being all,
Being one...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2004 at 20:40

 Ermm Good, but I have some issues with the lines "Destroy one's innocence" (rather stilted, artificial, contrived) and "Spoken in a nameless fate" (contrived, and the connection between fate/destiny and speaking is not obvious.

These are lyrics more in the Jon Anderson vein, right? Structured not to convey literal/linear meaning, but words chosen more for effect and atmosphere, correct?

As such, I feel that they are good, but may need a tad more work. "The bell of our contempt" sounds very deep (reminiscent of ELP, Rush, etc.) but is it? How is contempt like a bell -- is there a connection to organized religion that could be further developed?

In all, good stuff, & promising. (Many prog lyrics would look a little awkward/contrived/grandiose when presented without their accompaning music.)

I would read other's lyrics/poems for further insight and inspiration.

Have you written any more "literal"/straightforward lyrics that tell a story or fable, ie. like early Genesis, or Rush's "The Trees?" Such lyrics might be also worth a try. 

Writing good poetry/lyrics is very difficult -- keep up the good work.Thumbs Up

This is all meant in the way of encouragement, BTW, as the writing of lyrics seems a worthy pursuit for you. Further success is within your grasp.Smile

All the best with your music (and life),Smile

Peter

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 03:41

I feel that the "Darkness catch the light" section belongs in "Into the void", rather than "Seduction", as the imagery you paint in that "verse" is not one of seduction to me, rather a depiction of life/non-life in the void.

I think also that I would like to see a name given to the nameless ones - using "nameless" just seems like a cop-out to me. Of course, it could be that I just don't "get it".  

My final thought; think about the connection you seem to set up; Time, shadow, light, contempt - I get the feeling there's an "odd man out". Maybe, with the drug addiction subject-matter, you might consider; Illusion, vortex, whirlpool, or something similarly descriptive of being caught in the grips of something uncontrollable and intangible, rather than contempt? 

I also agree with Peter - I would like to see some crafty references in there, rather than words which seem to be included merely because they sound good and rhyme. However, that could just be me missing the references!

Hope you like these ideas - I think you've produced some good lyrics, but I can pick holes in anything - except, maybe, Fish's lyrics...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 12:38

Well done Prog-bassist I've seen far worse that have sold millions.Thumbs Up

Definitely suited to prog themes and whilst some of the lines dont really stand close scrutiny (see above more scholarly critiques)) the overall feel and effect is good. Very Jon Anderson, but their's nothing wrong with that.

I like them.Big smile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 12:49

preatty good accually. Very John Anderson like. Just dont OVERUSE your vocabulary like he sometimes does. i know im gonna get badgered for saying this, but his lyrics are sometimes repetitive and of the same vein. He overuses words like "rythem", "time and space" , "distance", "sharpness" "music of the sun", you know what i mean. But i was accualy preatty impressed with your lyrics, but telling us all WHAT they are about kind of ruins the whole imaginative process one gets by interpreting lyrics in the first place, no?

by the way, whereabouts do you hail from Canada? im Canadian too, not from "Cape Verte" as my profile says.(a slip of the mouse). I mention this because im very interested in forming a prog group, but most musicians i know like metal and that kind of crap.

something pretentious
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 12:51

oh yes, just noticed the lyric "in your warm arms"...........Suppers ready 

(unconsious reference?)

something pretentious
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 12:55

I see you got the word "Solitary" in there.....

Always a good prog lyric/word is "Solitary" !



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 15:28
Originally posted by the musical box the musical box wrote:

oh yes, just noticed the lyric "in your warm arms"...........Suppers ready 


(unconsious reference?)



Hahahahaha. I never noticed that. Meh. I'll leave it. lol. But yeah I'll most likely work on it a bit more after my exams, I'll post the fixed one when i finish that.

And I'm from Cape Breton, Sydney, NS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 15:36
[QUOTE=Prog_Bassist] And I'm from Cape Breton, Sydney, NS.[/QUOTE] 

Smile My sister lives there -- you may well know my brother in law, who plays guitar (amateur, but he knows lots of musicians). His name is Glenn, and he's a big prog fan -- ring any bells?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 16:19

on a related note - just wondering how many people on the forum play in band/prog bands or how many play musical instruments and how many take it seriously. There've been a few of us posting stuff on the musical instruments section of the forum but it seems like there's more and I'm curious to know if most of us are bedroom recording stars?

And also do people finish stuff (suitable for posting) or like me have have hours and hours of unfinished versions of songs clogging up computers, cds, mini-discs etc?

I guess maybe this should be on the musical instruments section and feel free to move it there, but it might get more response here...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 16:22
BTW, I think your lyrics are fine, though it's always difficult to get a vibe from them without the music. Personally I hate writing lyrics, I can never fuse the moment of feeling passionately about something with the discipline of sitting down to write (except when in rant mode on the forum - ha ha)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 17:26
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

 Ermm correct?

As such, I feel that they are good, but may need a tad more work. "The bell of our contempt" sounds very deep (reminiscent of ELP, Rush, etc.) but is it? How is contempt like a bell -- is there a connection to organized religion that could be further developed?

 

Good lyrics.

Peter, I felt something totally different when I read this. Not how contempt the bell is or the bell repesenting contempt but rather the reaction of contempt that strikes like a bell when it happens. Either when we feel it or see it in someone else.  Maybe I am way off base but that is what is says to me.  

 

Just IMHO of course.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 22:11
It's okay..but I could do better....and have done better being the lyricist of our group back in the early 90's...I'm not bragging....its just a fact...nice attempt anyway!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 22:19

Become one,
Become all,
Become one,
Destroy one's innocence,
Become one,
Become all,
Become one,

The words above make me think about sudden cyclic changes, and I clearly see the confrontation of opposite poles: solitude and promiscuity. Interesting!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2004 at 22:22
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:


Good lyrics.


<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Peter, I felt something totally different when I read this. Not how contempt the bell is or the bell repesenting contempt but rather the reaction of contempt that strikes like a bell when it happens. Either when we feel it or see it in someone else.  Maybe I am way off base but that is what is says to me.  </SPAN>


<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></SPAN> 


<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Just IMHO of course. </SPAN>



Right on the money!



and as for the band thing, I'm gonna make a thread about that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2004 at 02:35
You've got a good sketch going, but for the final version you should do some work on the grammar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2004 at 03:21

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

It's okay..but I could do better....and have done better being the lyricist of our group back in the early 90's...I'm not bragging....its just a fact...nice attempt anyway!

Let's see some then! (prove it!)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2004 at 06:40

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

It's okay..but I could do better....and have done better being the lyricist of our group back in the early 90's...I'm not bragging....its just a fact...nice attempt anyway!

Yes Greg I bought all your Cd's and clapped in awe when you won a Grammy!Wink




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2004 at 12:28
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

It's okay..but I could do better....and have done better being the lyricist of our group back in the early 90's...I'm not bragging....its just a fact...nice attempt anyway!

Yes Greg I bought all your Cd's and clapped in awe when you won a Grammy!Wink

 

Yes Yes I  have his album./ Great job GDUB.

I really like the lyrics to Wintertime Postman Blues:

I slipped on the ice

As the dog bit my Ass

 

http://www.geocities.com/garion812000/classic_tan.html

(Sorry Picture just will not load)

What is amazing is this is a "best of".  That means there were others. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2004 at 13:06

LOL

Actually the Cover was slightly different in the UK:

For sale 10p

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