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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general.
He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

At least the navy seal team  finally got the f**ker. I laughed out loud at that cartoon though.

Hope Al Queda doesn't put out a contract on the artist. Remember that Danish cartoonist?

1) Al Qaeda can't put a contract on anybody. That organization is a shadow of its former self and has been so for the last 5 years. 

2) Osama, after all, is no Mohammed, which is the guy whose depiction caused the issue of the Danish cartoonist. I'd actually love to have a cartoon with both of them side by side, Osama and his mentor the un-paintable one. 
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Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
100% true. He wasn't the authoritarian some people say he was, but he was surrounded by some of the worst. Precisely because he wasn't authoritarian, he let himself be run by some that were. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
100% true. He wasn't the authoritarian some people say he was, but he was surrounded by some of the worst. Precisely because he wasn't authoritarian, he let himself be run by some that were. 
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"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."
The same could be said about Bush.
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News this evening (at least it’s evening here in Greece):

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/un-rights-investigators-seek-facts-bin-laden-death-104814132.html
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News this evening (at least it’s evening here in Greece):

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/un-rights-investigators-seek-facts-bin-laden-death-104814132.html
 
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In other news, kill a terrorist = a drop in gas prices. Line up a few more and I can take out my '98 Cadillac I've had  mothballed in the garage for the last six months. Wink
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general. He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.

Karl Rove more than any of them. What a puppetmaster he was.

Cheney was a different story, he was the "experienced" brains behind Bush and although I didn't exactly agree with everything he said, I did admire his no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase demeanor. He didn't give a crap about PC, he just said it, and that's it.
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Bobcat Goldthwait once said about Ronald Reagan:
"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."
The same could be said about Bush.


yes and no; it's true the president has little direct impact on the country in general (which is probably what the FFs intended), but it incorrectly assumes that who the President is as an individual is not important.  Ronald Regan the person/politician had a huge effect on the mood and direction things took in the 1980s.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:


Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:



Bobcat Goldthwait once said about Ronald Reagan:
"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."

The same could be said about Bush.
yes and no; it's true the president has little direct impact on the country in general (which is probably what the FFs intended), but it incorrectly assumes that who the President is as an individual is not important.  Ronald Regan the person/politician had a huge effect on the mood and direction things took in the 1980s.

Why he was called the Great Communicator, for better or worse.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general.
He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.


Yeah, I remember he was the "compassionate conservative" and considered a moderate in the party and overall "light". I dont think he was much of a neo con but as its been said..he was surrounded by them. Cheney, Rove, Rummy, Rice. And we know how....uh "open" he was. Pretty hands off LOL  OH! And Wolfowitz...that evil b*****d.

Used to think the same of Powell but I do honestly think he was forced by pressures around him. At the very least I do kind of like him overall. Wow this hasn't gotten far off the OP! But yeah, over time my personal beliefs of Bush changed, and am just glad the neo con experiment is over!

And Marktheshark...you are 100% right about that. Sadly, I borderline think Cheney was evil LOL  in fact I know as of late he gave a small bit of flak to Wubya about going "soft" in the last 2 years. Kinda ties in


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I just heard Bin Laden had pot growing outside the walls of his compound. Smoke
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I just heard Bin Laden had pot growing outside the walls of his compound. Smoke

You are forced to live in hiding without leaving the same building for years, with the world's mightiest military on your tail, going after your every move... What else is there to do?
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People may find this of interest: 

http://goo.gl/yuPPk

US/Obama orders targeted assassination of an American citizen in Yemen with a drone bombing and misses, but kills two other people. Not on a battlefield and no due process. How is Obama not a dictator now?



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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

People may find this of interest: 

http://goo.gl/yuPPk

US/Obama orders targeted assassination of an American citizen in Yemen with a drone bombing and misses, but kills two other people. Not on a battlefield and no due process. How is Obama not a dictator now?

 
He's not a dictator because I'm not living under his rules.
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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

People may find this of interest: 

http://goo.gl/yuPPk

US/Obama orders targeted assassination of an American citizen in Yemen with a drone bombing and misses, but kills two other people. Not on a battlefield and no due process. How is Obama not a dictator now?

 
He's not a dictator because I'm not living under his rules.

The majority of U.S. presidents either have been or have tried to be. Most likely Obama falls under the second one.


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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

People may find this of interest: 

http://goo.gl/yuPPk

US/Obama orders targeted assassination of an American citizen in Yemen with a drone bombing and misses, but kills two other people. Not on a battlefield and no due process. How is Obama not a dictator now?


1) Because this is the USA and it can't happen here.
2) Because dictators are pure evil like those guys in old black and white films from WII.
3) Because dictators speak funny languages  and are declared to be dictators by the US.

Pick one.
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October 3, 2008 edition of HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher."

SHANDLING: [overlapping] Because he’s in a cave somewhere that—

BALDWIN: [overlapping] Somewhere he’s buying stock right now.

AMANPOUR: [overlapping] He’s not. I just talked to somebody very knowledgeable—

SHANDLING: [overlapping] Wait, she knows where Osama bin Laden is?

AMANPOUR: [overlapping] Well, she doesn’t think –- this woman, who is in America --

SHANDLING: [overlapping] Tell me.

MAHER: [overlapping] By the way, Sarah Palin --

AMANPOUR: [overlapping] -- thinks that he’s in a villa, a nice comfortable villa --

MAHER: [overlapping] Cabo?

AMANPOUR: [overlapping] -- in Pakistan. Not a cave. That’s all --





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1000000 people hypothesized about his whereabouts based on dubious information, some of them were right by chance. The villa didn't appear very comfortable to me.
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