Stewart or Beck?

The democrat party outside of the US would be considered a center party or even right wing party because they supposedly defend the market, and that is quite extreme in the eyes of the left in other countries. To be considered left, a party really has to attack all kinds of privatization and defend statism (not that the democrats aren't doing this anyway). Extreme left is going on and proclaim Marx, Lenin and Guevara as your guiding lights, and holding Cuba as paradise on earth.

But this is the reality: both in the US and the rest of the world MOST parties are about the same. Some say they want more government, some want less, some want freer market, some want more regulation, but pretty much NONE is arguing in favor of the elimination or at least drastic reduction of government and the total or almost total liberation of the market. Politics is based on how to gain power. Power defines politics. A group/movement that wants to eliminate the source of all the indefinite power is looked upon with contempt by politicians because it's attacking the very essence of their game, their very blood supply. Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Stewart, Maher, they all want the same but with different names: a state that still rules and wages war and has absolutr monopoly of force. They just differ in details, in the ways they think will bring about prosperity and general well being (or their friends' and families', actually). For too long the actual real opposition to traditional parties has been denied its place: the opposition to pkwer, to government as a whole, an a living entity.

the centrist in Norway covers three partys the liberal Left party, the Centre party, the Christian Peoples party and the left parys is the Sosialist left party, the Labour party (though they are large enough to also ingulf some liberal views and from the 70s they have become more a hybreed Sosial democratic/liberal party) & Red party (comunist party the largest party  whos not in the parlament) on the right we have the Conservative Right and the the Progressive pary...(which is a party full of goooooons )

Edited by aginor - April 27 2011 at 01:01

SaltyJon wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: I thought this was about Rod Stewart and Jeff beck I thought the same thing. As did I.

I thought it was about Dave Stewart and Beck Hansen....

Henry Plainview wrote:   manofmystery wrote: What required a response?  The percentages you pulled out of your ass? Of course I pulled them out of my ass, I was (roughly) quoting Jon Stewart to describe what he believes! I think he said it at some point in connection with the Rally to Restore Circle-Jerking, but I don't remember what exact percentage he said, and I don't how he decided it, but that doesn't matter because we're not arguing about whether Jon Stewart is right. It doesn't matter what the labels are in other countries. Well, when we're talking about labels... A true "centrist" in America today is just someone unable to decide which of the two current extremes they'd rather bend over and take it from.  I suppose that beats the rank and file members of each of the two extremes, though, who are more than happy to take it (and force others to take it) from their leaders while being downright outraged when the other side is in power and uses a slightly different lube. So why are you upset that I characterized him as centrist? That is what I am trying to get clarification on.

 

Negoba wrote: As others have pointed out, neither Beck nor Stewart are at either extreme. That's an illusion fed to us all to distract us from real issues.

I find the source for those numbers laughable, not that it matters.  I'm just going to say that every union employee in the surrounding states was ordered to take the day off to attend, just to upset you.  My news agency put a lot of research into that statement though, so don't dare question it.  

manofmystery wrote: I find the source for those numbers laughable, not that it matters.  I'm just going to say that every union employee in the surrounding states was ordered to take the day off to attend, just to upset you.  My news agency put a lot of research into that statement though, so don't dare question it.   Jon Stewart is a shill for his side and the attempts he makes to appear "centrist" by throwing in the occasional softball democrat joke are the most laughable part of his program.  The democrat jokes are an intellectually insulting attempt to fool the feeble minded into believing he holds "moderate" beliefs.  Conan O'Brien's monologue everynight is the same way but at least Conan isn't trying to make himself part of the political scene.

This is why I only make joke posts in the libertarian thread. You can keep doing whatever it is you're doing here, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time with it. 
 

thellama73 wrote: What annoys me is Stewarts "why can't we all just get along?"routine. We can't all just get along because we have deply held beliefs that differ wildly on what is best for ourselves and our country. It seems to me that what he really wants is for us to roll over and let his side do whatever they want, all in the name of "civility." If keeping the peace is so important, why doesn't his team give in on everything the Republicans want?

I don't think I need to explain why your last sentence is silly, but I do agree that the moderation is to extent wanting to get his agenda, since the Republicans would probably have to cave on more than the Democrats would to get to the "center". But that doesn't mean his presentation is not centrist. 

Henry Plainview wrote:   This is why I only make joke posts in the libertarian thread. You can keep doing whatever it is you're doing here, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time with it.

What is this supposed to mean HP? 

Edited by The T - April 27 2011 at 23:07

Come on HP Mom is like that, a little difficult to deal with . 

Long live Stewart and Colbert.