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Poll Question: The one you prefer or would trust the most?
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

More than zero votes for Beck? I am disappointed, progarchives. He is quite literally absolutely bananas. I have nothing wrong with people who have a right-wing view on politics, but come on.
 
You are being completely unfair to bananas.
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I really really want Beck's 15 minutes to be over.
 
All I know of Stewart are youtube clips people send me. They're funny, but I wonder how much boring crap you have to wade through to get some funny stuff.
 
I'm boring...when I want LOLs I'll put on What About Bob or Tropic Thunder. Politics makes me cry.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I really really want Beck's 15 minutes to be over.
 


But then Media Matters would be out of business.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I really really want Beck's 15 minutes to be over.
 


But then Media Matters would be out of business.


They'd still have Hannity,and Rush to fact check.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 13:45
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:


Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I really really want Beck's 15 minutes to be over.
 
But then Media Matters would be out of business.
They'd still have Hannity,and Rush to fact check.
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Definitely Glenn Beck. I have problems with him a lot, but he provides a much needed service of awakening people to the ways in which their freedoms are taken away. In many ways, I think Jon Stewart has become irrelevant.
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Points: 1003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 16:32
I haven't watched The Daily Show in years, and I never payed Glenn Beck any attention.  No vote.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Definitely Glenn Beck. I have problems with him a lot, but he provides a much needed service of awakening people to the ways in which their freedoms are taken away. In many ways, I think Jon Stewart has become irrelevant.
Like him or not, Stewart & Colbert's rally last year woul argue against their irrelevance.
Beck only parrots the right wing extemists distortions (mostly) about how the "left" (actually centrists) are taking your freedoms (sound like South Park shouting "They took our jobs!"), while ignoring the Republicans' war on the middle class.  His loss of his show could be the start of his irrelevance (with any luck). 
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Definitely Glenn Beck. I have problems with him a lot, but he provides a much needed service of awakening people to the ways in which their freedoms are taken away. In many ways, I think Jon Stewart has become irrelevant.
Like him or not, Stewart & Colbert's rally last year woul argue against their irrelevance.
Beck only parrots the right wing extemists distortions (mostly) about how the "left" (actually centrists) are taking your freedoms (sound like South Park shouting "They took our jobs!"), while ignoring the Republicans' war on the middle class.  His loss of his show could be the start of his irrelevance (with any luck). 


If you're saying that all American liberals are "centrist" then what do you consider left?
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He's right, though, the American Democrat party is about as far left as Canada's conservative party.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 22:03
Thank science for that. A lot of liberal policies are mind-numbingly dumb.

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Triceratopsoil is correct.  The Democratic party is so terrified of the Republicans, who have drifted as far right as they can without invoking Godwin's law, that they are afraid of even barely resembling a liberal.
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 22:32
So who resembles a liberal? You didn't answer my original question.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 22:40
^He probably wants real, self-declared socialists and communists...

And stop calling lefties "liberals"! Liberalism is actually the ideology of freedom and free market! How mixed-up terms are in the US. It was a nice play from the left to manage to be called "liberals", so that the right had nothing to do but to sound extreme....

Some people here can't differentiate a republican from a conservative from a libertarian... They are SO different. What Evolver calls "republicans who wage war on the middle class" are really neo-cons, corporatists and religious nuts, fascists in disguise with just a few clear economic ideas. But believe me Evolver, we want more freedom for you than you want for everybody...
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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2011 at 22:53
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Triceratopsoil is correct.  The Democratic party is so terrified of the Republicans, who have drifted as far right as they can without invoking Godwin's law, that they are afraid of even barely resembling a liberal.
 
 
I think you got hold of a bad batch of crack or something.
 
I guess anything short of a Michael Moore dictatorship would be far too right wing for you.  You know, the whole right vs. left argument is just a smoke screen anyway.  Both parties are authoritarian parties and have veered away from the nation's founding principals.  Your problem, along with those on the "right" and "left", is that you feel everyone needs to live by your standards.  From where I stand, you might as well be Sean Hannity.


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

I guess anything short of a Michael Moore dictatorship would be far too right wing for you.

I don't know if it's a judgement call so much as pointing out the fact that in Europe/Canada/(probably South America? I am an ignorant American) the Democratic Party as it stands today would not be considered "left-wing" because they're not socialists, and they run and hide if anyone attempts to call them one.

And you didn't respond to my reply about Jon being a centrist. 


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I guess it depends on whether you define these terms according to the current climate, or historically speaking. I guess it is true that the American left is less overtly socialist (although I really don't think by that much) than the left is, say, Western Europe. By the standards of 19th century America, I think todays Republicans would seem anything but conservative. Since my favorite president is Grover Cleveland (who was a Democrat, btw) I tend to evaluate things in that context.
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I'm... not going to try and explain the concept of a liberal party.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I'm... not going to try and explain the concept of a liberal party.


I think they generally involve lots of weed and Grateful Dead music. LOL
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

I guess anything short of a Michael Moore dictatorship would be far too right wing for you.

I don't know if it's a judgement call so much as pointing out the fact that in Europe/Canada/(probably South America? I am an ignorant American) the Democratic Party as it stands today would not be considered "left-wing" because they're not socialists, and they run and hide if anyone attempts to call them one.

And you didn't respond to my reply about Jon being a centrist. 
 
 
What required a response?  The percentages you pulled out of your ass?
Your first paragraph here is also pointless.  As I mentioned above, the buzzwords don't mean anything.  It doesn't matter what the labels are in other countries.
 
A true "centrist" in America today is just someone unable to decide which of the two current extremes they'd rather bend over and take it from.  I suppose that beats the rank and file members of each of the two extremes, though, who are more than happy to take it (and force others to take it) from their leaders while being downright outraged when the other side is in power and uses a slightly different lube.


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