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The_Jester 
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 Posted: October 28 2010 at 18:57 |
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There's so much UK artist that we could name in term of originality but to me the most original prog superstar in the USA were clearly the Residents and Frank Zappa. In the Uk there's to much to make a list because of their overall originality.
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Rush77
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 14:43 |
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I got to go UK just because i listen to that stuff much more than the US stuff. Personally i would choose Canada cause of Rush (who are my gods) but the UK ones are not far behind so UK
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Nakatira
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Posted: October 31 2010 at 01:05 |
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Judgding by my record collection, the UK wins hands down.
I've allways felt prog was british, not talkin about modern prog here.
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akajazzman
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 14:58 |
I agree that UK invented Prog, and had the bulk of the great Proggers back in the golden days. Today, I don't think we can say that U.K is nearly as dominant. Mars Volta scores huge points for the U.S. on leading edge side of things. Decemberists, Tortoise, Coheed and Cambria to name a few more, and then a whole host of Prog Metal.
On the statement "I mean American bands are always behind. " I guess you're referring to Prog. But take a step back and remember who invented Rock n Roll. U.S.A.! And we had a few more innovations along the way too; electric blues; free jazz, Link Wray, Beach Boys, Dylan, Velvet Underground, Hendrix, The Doors, The Band, Allman Bros, jazz fusion,MC5/Stooges; Springsteen, Ramones, Talking Heads, hip hop, hardcore punk, Thrash metal, Nirvana, Wilco, and Arcade Fire, to name a few. OK Arcade Fire and The Band are Canadian, but we always take credit for the good stuff that comes out of Canada! .
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verslibre
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 17:38 |
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I agree, I think we ruled the roost when it came to fusion. American bands emulated the pioneering art rock (prog) bands in the UK, but a lot of players on the other side of the pond fervently wanted to play fusion like RTF, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Herbie Hancock, etc.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 09 2010 at 19:07 |
If I'm not mistaken we won the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 (even if they did go burning down the house). 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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TODDLER
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 09:40 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
If I'm not mistaken we won the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 (even if they did go burning down the house). |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 09:55 |
verslibre wrote:
I agree, I think we ruled the roost when it came to fusion. American bands emulated the pioneering art rock (prog) bands in the UK, but a lot of players on the other side of the pond fervently wanted to play fusion like RTF, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Herbie Hancock, etc. |
Perhaps, and I'm not being picky with ya, but John McLaughlin the prime mover and shaker in the Mahavishnu Orchestra was of course English. 
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rod65
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 12:39 |
If you count as victory, not actually taking over the British colonies to the north of you: the intended aim of that little episode. Weird war that one. Both sides have reasons for claiming victory: successful defense of then-British territory on the one hand, local strategic superiority on the other. Regarding the Revolutionary War, the Brits made a strategic decision there as well: they did not have the resources to hold both the Colonies and Gibraltar, and decided that Gibraltar was of greater long-term value. They allocated resources accordingly, and the flowering of the British Empire during the 19th century largely as a result of their naval superiority and their holding of that particular piece of real estate points to their having made the right decision. 
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tamijo
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 12:54 |
UK def. up to mid 70's
US still behind but doing great with Fussion, from mid 70's - early 80's
Dosent matter much in the dark age (from early/mid 80's to mid/late 90's
Now a days i would say US with Tool, Mars Volta and many more US bands doing good.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Xanatos
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:07 |
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 17:00 |
I haven't read all of this, but can I just say that I think it's a stupid question/argument.
Musicians don't make music according to where they come from. Just because people are from the same country doesn't mean they are somehow "Mind Linked" and will create similar music, or music of similar quality. Sure, sometimes the traditions and situations of where they live will effect their composition or playing, but I don't believe it's really noticeable when looking at all artists from that country.
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verslibre
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Posted: November 11 2010 at 12:34 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
verslibre wrote:
I agree, I think we ruled the roost when it came to fusion. American bands emulated the pioneering art rock (prog) bands in the UK, but a lot of players on the other side of the pond fervently wanted to play fusion like RTF, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Herbie Hancock, etc. |
Perhaps, and I'm not being picky with ya, but John McLaughlin the prime mover and shaker in the Mahavishnu Orchestra was of course English.
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More importantly, Jan Hammer's a Czech, Laird was born in Dublin, and Billy Cobham's a Panamian transplant who's been Swiss since the '70s (after living in New York City). 
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esky
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Posted: March 16 2011 at 16:46 |
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Ambrosia gave it the old college try but couldn't make a difference (even with Alan Parsons producing). What few good songs they recorded would have been notable if about 10 other American bands of prog influence were around at the time with some sort of credible output. It's, naturally, a game of numbers.
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brainstormer
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 14:58 |
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U.S.A. had Sun Ra.
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dazzammm1
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Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:42 |
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I do believe the USA have been markedley far more creative than the UK in recent times. If we are talking mainstream of course and what your intellect defines as progressive/
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you can blame Simon Cowell for that. He wont destroy US music the same way - its too big - but he'll have a bloody good try. UK music lacks the diversity of US music.
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BenevolentBehemoth
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 20:35 |
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The only early prog band in the US was The Mothers of Invention, but they make up for the rest of america being pretty horrible for prog.
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Quasar
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 04:57 |
Now that we've batted to and fro about Wars, Revolution, BP, Tea, Coffee, Football and other man made mishaps, I have to still agree, in general, with Gandalf.
But...I really don't think it is by design, just circumstantial influence.
In general, (which inherently means, yes there are exceptions), most UK prog bands can not escape the orchestral music influence (not to say that there are not many, many listeners to this music in the US), whereas to most US prog musicians, rock music is mainly about the guitar.
So the US has far more prog metal which tends to be composed around the guitar, it's virtuosity and maths. And UK bands tend to compose around any instrument, it's virtuosity and maybe less maths and more emotion. Maybe the "masculine authority" mentioned by Slartibartfast, subconsciously restricts US bands' ability to show their emotions in their music, or at least keep it in the more aggressive emotional portrayals?
Whatever the reason, I think there is a discernable difference, though which is preferable is entirely subjective.
The end result is, to me, a more emotional experience from UK prog bands and a more exciting display of musicianship from US bands.
However, in the end, the prog rock fans have the last say, just look at the popularity charts! I don't think any more proof is needed as to the source of the most popular prog bands.
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Altti_H
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 08:14 |
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Who cares about metal when is listening PROG?
Prog is mostly European, and especially made by UK.
There is Italy (very good), Germany, Sweden, even US and many more, but considering the mother of progressive rock, it is United Kingdom.
Just my opinion after listening Prog more than 44 years ;-) **, I appreciate different views as well.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 12:36 |
The UK didn't create prog. The US didn't create jazz or blues. No country has created better music than any other. Hell, no country has created music. Individuals have done that, and they happen to reside in a particular country. Not to be a  but really this is a bit silly
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