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LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

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That which is not acknowledged is bound to be condemned by the majority and I am sure you're quite aware of that having been a prog listener for so long. 
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Points: 5575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:16
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Rick Wakeman and Chris Quire sported capes on stage and it's a (fair) scapegoat for the excesses of 70's prog


A capegoat? I always thought Rick looked superb! Let's not forget Bowie wore tights on stage at this time...

LOL I've personally never had a problem with the capes but it is definitely the easiest to mock feature of Yes/prog
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Points: 7264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:46

http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes


I posit that Bob Fripp started the entire "cape in prog" movement, his is Peter Bank's recollection from 1969


"With Crimson, I met Fripp a few times, he used to come to see Yes at The Marquee. And I didn't know Fripp was a guitar player, I didn't know much about him. He used to come and he was always wearing a cape, like a cloak with a hood, like a monk. And he had little glasses on, like John Lennon, and he was very tense and he always talked to me after the show and we would talk about guitar strings and guitars, all that kind of stuff. "
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:58
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

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Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

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Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".

That's my point, some Prog artists used COSTUMES, maybe excessive even when I believe is part of the showbiz, but all this other genres took the excesses to all their lives, it was far more excessive than Prog, because Prog was mainly defined by it's music..

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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

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That which is not acknowledged is bound to be condemned by the majority and I am sure you're quite aware of that having been a prog listener for so long. 
 
I prefer to say that it is condemned by those that have no guts or glory or creativity to even wear anything as funky as that ... and on top of it, they never made it to a stage ... in order to be able to show it off ...
 
I like to call those folks a bunch of nobodies, and I don't care if they are fans or rock reviewers!
 
Heck ... we might as well start the one that is most obvious Ivan ... the slight, almost nekkid ones ... that usually gets more attention than the capes!
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I think I'm developing a "Cape Fear".
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2011 at 18:52
Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I think Batman had a prog band in '72.



I didn't believe you at first. But wikipedia says otherwise.


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I always thought people wore capes because they thought it looked cool, on stage or off.
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Points: 426 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2011 at 21:36
Ok well that explains the capes, but I've also heard "wizard hat" go with it... Any thoughts on that? 
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Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

Ok well that explains the capes, but I've also heard "wizard hat" go with it... Any thoughts on that? 

Maybe because some believe their skills are almost magic.

Or maybe they are talking about:



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Prog rockers always did have super-powers. 

In the day he's just a normal prog rock keyboardist, but in the night, when danger bubbles silently under the city smog, he is: WAKEMANMAN. Stopping crime in 13/8 and  bringing down the hand of the law with overly pretentious concept albums and synth effects!
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Is it a guitar? Is it a keyboard?No it's keytarman...
...and his crusty sidekick - anotherkeytarman!
 


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is it a guitar? Is it a keyboard?No it's keytarman...
...and his crusty sidekick - anotherkeytarman!
 

That more or less takes the cake! 
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You're trying to make music that's startling. Otherworldy. Theatrical. Grand. 

Put on a f**king cape.
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Points: 2459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:28
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?

Iván

Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".


What do you make of the fantasy/sci-fi costumes that were worn by a whole lot of soul bands (most notably Earth, Wind and Fire)? They were undoubtedly part of an "act" (as Abba's outfits were not), and they demonstrate that the 1970s were one great fancy-dress party!
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Points: 2459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:33
Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

You're trying to make music that's startling. Otherworldy. Theatrical. Grand. 
Put on a f**king cape.


I keep thinking Rick looked superb. Take those pictures in the original YESSONGS triple-album booklet. O, how I wanted to be him! When I saw him live (with the English rock ensemble) in 1976, he still wore that same cape, and he looked great! Somehow the Hampton Court capes just don't have the same effect, mainly because Rick is not a svelte young wizard anymore...
And by the way, did you ever notice the way GENTLE GIANT used to dress? Like a Hollywood fairytale on wheels!
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Points: 18446 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2011 at 06:47
Capes to costumes.
Three words Marketing, Marketing, Marketing. Acts like EW&F were more about the glitzyness than the theatre, as I also believe was ABBA (although I never saw either perform, really!). Whereas an act like Alice Cooper used props & makeup to support and underlying theme in the music. More like Gabriel in Genesis. Wakeman's cape was more about the glitz than the show, although as the story goes it was really an effort to reduce the awkward look of him playing.

All I can say is thank god Emerson never got dressed up as an armadillo for Tarkus, or Lake put on a space suit for Karn Evil 9. They get enough kicks on just their music. So Keith's brief stint in the sequin laden outfits were just enough of an almost not quite good thing.
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