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Topic: So... explain the whole "cape" thingPosted By: Mushroom Sword
Subject: So... explain the whole "cape" thing
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 18:26
I've been hearing the term a lot. On many different websites, but I can't find the connection. I've found that there is some connection between liking progressive rock and wearing a cape. I'm not sure what it is, or where it originated, i simply can't find it. But I think it has something to do with a keyboardist? (maybe Keith Emerson?)
I feel like maybe I'm over thinking it as it's just a term used to make fun of prog fans or musicians, or maybe it's something really obvious i should be shunned for not knowing. Or maybe I'm simply insane.
What is the connection, - if any - between prog and wearing capes?
Replies: Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 18:27
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 18:43
Rick Wakeman and Chris Quire sported capes on stage and it's a (fair) scapegoat for the excesses of 70's prog
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 19:19
Exactly! and i love the scene on "School of Rock" when the japanese kid appears using a Wakeman´s Cape.
Taking the opportunitty: ive herd another prog allusian term, "the new heralds" or someting like that. Whats the meaning?
Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 19:20
Rick Wakeman in particular. Twas a lovely cape, lots of gold sequins.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:15
I think Batman had a prog band in '72.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:26
Hi,
I personally do not have an issue with the cape thing ... even I went out of my way to get one put together for me, and it is all black with sateen skylark gold interior and it has a massive detach-able hood and it ties up in the front with tassles. And I wore that with a top hat (black of course) and black boots and a had a cane in my hand. And of course, the shirt was white with all the frillies hanging out. And my design is taken from an Edwardian Cloak style, which is a little bigger than the earlier styles in length. I used velveteen from the theatrical companies in LA so that I could get it 48 inches wide and only have one seam in the back, otherwise you would have 2 seams, which is not as strong in design and lasting ability.
Speaking of that I need to take my cape to the cleaners to get it cleaned up!
The big issue ... the cape is HEAVY ... and it gets hot under it! Which means that Rick and anyone else would need to have an air conditioner with them to be able to use the damn thing!
I, wear it for fun ... I take out my paraphernalia, tarot decks and silk scarves, lay it all out during Halloween and tell you to ask me a silent question and I give you an answer with my Tarot decks!
It's show'y ... but not very comfortable, but I can see where it is useful in a really cold place as it wraps you up very nicely! But I seriously doubt that it helps the music get any better, or Rick would really be up a ship creek with no paddle!
Chris wore a lot of buckaneer boots, similar to the ones that you see on Jack Sparrow these days ... I just find it silly and weird that they have not invited Chris to play a part or two in those films, since he did look very good in those costumes in the early days ... but when you are good, and you can flash it ... do it, right? ... isn't that the People and Star magazines main theme?
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:34
As you can see above it's really a Wakeman reference. But for what it's worth, when I saw ELP at Cobo Hall with the orchestra way way back, Emerson came up out of the stage for the L100 rodeo ride wearing a cape and playing Bach's Fugue. That's the only time i can think of him wearing a cape. Although as I write this I just thought about that glitter outfit he wore in Pictures. It had a strange shoulder accoutrement that looked like a mini cape. And of course there's Gabriel's capeage in the early years. No word on if King Crimson was ever caped.
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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:46
Atavachron wrote:
I think Batman had a prog band in '72.
I didn't believe you at first. But wikipedia says otherwise.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 23:33
....I blame Robert Fripp.... http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes" rel="nofollow - http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 00:02
I think I read or watched a comment from Wakeman in which he said he began using the cape after a Yes show, after which someone told him he looked really weird stretching his hands and twisting his arms in order to reach the keyboard he wanted with the hand he wanted (remember he used loads of keyboards on stage), so he ended up buying that cape in order to not look so weird, or somhow hide so much strange movements, or whatever... it was some years ago that I read/heard this.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 03:42
JD wrote:
As you can see above it's really a Wakeman reference. But for what it's worth, when I saw ELP at Cobo Hall with the orchestra way way back, Emerson came up out of the stage for the L100 rodeo ride wearing a cape and playing Bach's Fugue. That's the only time i can think of him wearing a cape. Although as I write this I just thought about that glitter outfit he wore in Pictures. It had a strange shoulder accoutrement that looked like a mini cape. And of course there's Gabriel's capeage in the early years. No word on if King Crimson was ever caped.
not sure about that unless you mean a different video
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 05:44
topographicbroadways wrote:
Rick Wakeman and Chris Quire sported capes on stage and it's a (fair) scapegoat for the excesses of 70's prog
A capegoat? I always thought Rick looked superb! Let's not forget Bowie wore tights on stage at this time...
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 06:59
Brian May wore also capes, or otherwise very long jackets (don't know the proper name in english, tailcoats?).
Yngwie Malmsteen wears one too in his peformance of his Concerto Suite with orchestra.
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 07:03
richardh wrote:
JD wrote:
It had a strange shoulder accoutrement that looked like a mini cape.
not sure about that unless you mean a different video
Hmmm?? Been a long time since I saw Pics at an Ex. Now I'm thinking it might have been a picture from the front of a cassette I have of Emo with the Nice. I may have to do some digging but the image is in my head. I'll keep searching.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 07:41
Get Cape, Wear Cape, Play Prog
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 07:53
JD wrote:
richardh wrote:
JD wrote:
It had a strange shoulder accoutrement that looked like a mini cape.
not sure about that unless you mean a different video
Hmmm?? Been a long time since I saw Pics at an Ex. Now I'm thinking it might have been a picture from the front of a cassette I have of Emo with the Nice. I may have to do some digging but the image is in my head. I'll keep searching.
Yup, it's from an Italian release on cassette from Rock Storia E Musica "Keith Emerson & The Nice" on (I think) the label Gruppo Editoriale Fabbri. Can't find the image online and I'm not sure how to post an image that doesn't exist online already. It's a sort of multi tiered vest like thing. Not so much of a cape as I first remembered.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 09:39
OK now, Emerson isn't wearing a cape in Kiev, it's just a really tacky jacket.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 09:53
People talk about the excesses of Prog because Wakeman's capes:
But has somebody seen other genres?
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And of course:
Please.....Prog pales in comparison with the excesses of other groups.
Iván
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:01
^ Are you on some sort of cape crusade?
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:04
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:26
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
That which is not acknowledged is bound to be condemned by the majority and I am sure you're quite aware of that having been a prog listener for so long.
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:27
I posit that Bob Fripp started the entire "cape in prog" movement, his is Peter Bank's recollection from 1969
"With http://www.themarqueeclub.net/king-crimson" rel="nofollow - - Yes at The Marquee. And I didn't know Fripp was a guitar player, I didn't know much about him. He used to come and he was always wearing a cape, like a cloak with a hood, like a monk. And he had little glasses on, like John Lennon, and he was very tense and he always talked to me after the show and we would talk about guitar strings and guitars, all that kind of stuff. "
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:58
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 12:59
Dean wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".
That's my point, some Prog artists used COSTUMES, maybe excessive even when I believe is part of the showbiz, but all this other genres took the excesses to all their lives, it was far more excessive than Prog, because Prog was mainly defined by it's music..
Iván
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 14:06
rogerthat wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
That which is not acknowledged is bound to be condemned by the majority and I am sure you're quite aware of that having been a prog listener for so long.
I prefer to say that it is condemned by those that have no guts or glory or creativity to even wear anything as funky as that ... and on top of it, they never made it to a stage ... in order to be able to show it off ...
I like to call those folks a bunch of nobodies, and I don't care if they are fans or rock reviewers!
Heck ... we might as well start the one that is most obvious Ivan ... the slight, almost nekkid ones ... that usually gets more attention than the capes!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 18:30
I think I'm developing a "Cape Fear".
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 18:52
Mushroom Sword wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I think Batman had a prog band in '72.
I didn't believe you at first. But wikipedia says otherwise.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 21:00
I always thought people wore capes because they thought it looked cool, on stage or off.
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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 21:36
Ok well that explains the capes, but I've also heard "wizard hat" go with it... Any thoughts on that?
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 23:56
Mushroom Sword wrote:
Ok well that explains the capes, but I've also heard "wizard hat" go with it... Any thoughts on that?
Maybe because some believe their skills are almost magic.
Or maybe they are talking about:
Iván
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 09:20
Prog rockers always did have super-powers.
In the day he's just a normal prog rock keyboardist, but in the night, when danger bubbles silently under the city smog, he is: WAKEMANMAN. Stopping crime in 13/8 and bringing down the hand of the law with overly pretentious concept albums and synth effects!
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 09:26
Is it a guitar? Is it a keyboard?No it's keytarman...
...and his crusty sidekick - anotherkeytarman!
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 09:38
Dean wrote:
Is it a guitar? Is it a keyboard?No it's keytarman...
...and his crusty sidekick - anotherkeytarman!
That more or less takes the cake!
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 20:37
You're trying to make music that's startling. Otherworldy. Theatrical. Grand.
Put on a f**king cape.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:28
Dean wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
LOL, the funny thing is that everybody attacks Prog because supposed excesses, but haven't they seen the bands of other genres?
Iván
Those other "genres" were defined by their mode of dress - Glam Rock without the glam is just Rock, punk was more an attitude and a fashion than a style of music (could be argued that McClaren invented the Pistols to sell Westwood's fashion). Prog's wardrobe malfunctions were part of the 70s Glam Rock scene that gave us Reg Dwight's frocks and silly glasses - you see them today as two separate entities, but back in the 70s they were both continuations of the paisley shirts and bell-bottoms of the psychedelic 60s and the British tradition of "music hall".
What do you make of the fantasy/sci-fi costumes that were worn by a whole lot of soul bands (most notably Earth, Wind and Fire)? They were undoubtedly part of an "act" (as Abba's outfits were not), and they demonstrate that the 1970s were one great fancy-dress party!
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:33
40footwolf wrote:
You're trying to make music that's startling. Otherworldy. Theatrical. Grand.
Put on a f**king cape.
I keep thinking Rick looked superb. Take those pictures in the original YESSONGS triple-album booklet. O, how I wanted to be him! When I saw him live (with the English rock ensemble) in 1976, he still wore that same cape, and he looked great! Somehow the Hampton Court capes just don't have the same effect, mainly because Rick is not a svelte young wizard anymore...
And by the way, did you ever notice the way GENTLE GIANT used to dress? Like a Hollywood fairytale on wheels!
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 06:47
Capes to costumes. Three words Marketing, Marketing, Marketing. Acts like EW&F were more about the glitzyness than the theatre, as I also believe was ABBA (although I never saw either perform, really!). Whereas an act like Alice Cooper used props & makeup to support and underlying theme in the music. More like Gabriel in Genesis. Wakeman's cape was more about the glitz than the show, although as the story goes it was really an effort to reduce the awkward look of him playing.
All I can say is thank god Emerson never got dressed up as an armadillo for Tarkus, or Lake put on a space suit for Karn Evil 9. They get enough kicks on just their music. So Keith's brief stint in the sequin laden outfits were just enough of an almost not quite good thing.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:02
JD wrote:
All I can say is thank god Emerson never got dressed up as an armadillo for Tarkus,
rilly?
this jacket was a "tarkus":
(I know it's a plastic model, but he did wear the jacket, I just can't find a good pic of it on the webs)
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:22
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:28
So, Reg is Prog now?
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:32
JD wrote:
Wakeman's cape was more about the glitz than the show, although as the story goes it was really an effort to reduce the awkward look of him playing.
I am also convinced it made him feel great. Not just a wizard, but the High Priest of Prog! All together now:
Eager to save
all those who came his way
he must stay
he must fight
the Black Knight!
the Black Kni-i-i-ght!
(All accompanied on regal grand piano and followed by a glitzy solo on a siren-like Moog)
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:40
Dean wrote:
JD wrote:
All I can say is thank god Emerson never got dressed up as an armadillo for Tarkus,
rilly?
this jacket was a "tarkus":
(I know it's a plastic model, but he did wear the jacket, I just can't find a good pic of it on the webs)
Ok, but it's pretty subtle compared to most. Just a texture. Now imagine if he had gone the Gabriel way and had a snout appliance.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 11:20
JD wrote:
All I can say is thank god Emerson never got dressed up as an armadillo for Tarkus, or Lake put on a space suit for Karn Evil 9. They get enough kicks on just their music. So Keith's brief stint in the sequin laden outfits were just enough of an almost not quite good thing.
Keith didn't used capes or costumes (well, his outfit in Pictures at an Exhibition is almost a costume),, but he didn't relied exclusively in his music.
He stabbed organs and entered in flying pianos...All was part of showbiz.
When Genesis started, they had the most boring show (except for the music), Peter standing in 1 square meter doing nothing (sometimes sung with the arms crossed), Mike was playing behind the speakers so no one could see him, Tony didn't even looked at the public, Steve, well, sitting with his face in the guitar and the only possible second frontman (Phil) was in his drum kit.
Their lyrics were important, but people hardly understood them, so they required to do something to survive
Instead of glitter, Peter went for costumes and stories related to the songs, only then they became popular.
No matter how good the music is, you always need some show or costume, is part of the business.
Iván
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 11:55
Well, as I previous said, he did use a cape for the Cobo Hall concert encore,and his glitter outfit would most likely be considered a costume.
But I do agree, musicians/bands for the most part benefit from 'staging'. I spent 6 years as the sound man for BUSKER, two piece symphonic band from here in Canada. As you can imagine, with a keyboard player sitting behind a bank of keyboards playing bass pedals and a drummer buried behind a huge (for the time) kit. it was very important to present a show along with the music to keep the audience entertained. For two guys we had two trucks. The staging included a 48" mirror ball, a blacklight glowing hand painted mirror letter sign complete with marquee chaser lights, smoke machine, flash pots, strobe lights, 16mm film and slide shows as well a the only true quad system to be used by a bar band at the time. There was plenty to keep the audience engagde. But they also did costumes. The drummer would dress up in a 30's bathing suit and skateboard around the clubs as The Surf King while the keyboard player made wave sounds on his ARP 2600. They also had a few novelty pieces where the drummer would dress as a penguin (The Funky Penguin) or sometimes I would wear a gorilla costume for Gerbert the Gorilla.
For the most part this was a necessary evil to keep the audience amused. Bar patrons are not always that attentive to the bands so subtly is not the best course of action.
Knives, flying pianos or flying pigs for that matter help create a sense of value to the paying customer who expects to be wow'd at every show.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 18:05
JD wrote:
... Knives, flying pianos or flying pigs for that matter help create a sense of value to the paying customer who expects to be wow'd at every show.
JD ... we goona have to have you update this and make it your tagline ... Must add things like ... samurai swords (Sadistic Mika Band) (I've never seen this though even in a picture ... probably because one of them got hurt! ... hahaha!) ,,, castanets and high heels from Carmen ... of course, the old Grateful Dead gigs had joints flying around to and from the stage -- it was part of their friendliness that Phish doesn't have!
Not sure about the "value" ... and I would prefer to say that ... it GETS your attention. And I think that it was in LA that the Sports Arena (or Anaheim Stadium -- can't remember) flew a pig everyday for like 3 days before the concert just to get people going ... what is that? ... and of course, KMET and KLOS sukked all over it!
Anything to sell ... and nowadays nudity and suggestive nudity seems to do just as good or better than a pink pig!
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 20:07
When in doubt with regard to these sorts of issues, always remember, Zappa knew all:
She put a /index.php?title=The_Doobie_Brothers&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow - Doobie Brothers tape on (La la la la la-ahh la) I had a /wiki/The_Who" rel="nofollow - Roger Daltrey cape on (A Roger Daltrey cape on) There was a bed I dumped her shape on Can't remember what became of me . . . Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 20:24
I'll take that under advisement.
And by value I mean if you went to see ELP and Keith didn't perform coitus with cutlery on his organ (there's an image for you) you might feel that you got a bit ripped off. There's an expectation of 'show' with most concerts these days, especially considering ticket prices.
But to put a final point to this line of discussion, when I was doing sound for BUSKER we played at a college in Chatham. A week or so later a copy of the school paper arrived with a review of the show. Now remember, this is a two piece band who, if you couldn't see them, sounded like 4 or 5 guys (no tapes or sequencing) and played everything from original tunes to ELP, Santana or Stevie Wonder. But the majority of the article revolved around the stage and light show. Barely a mention of the musical talent. The keyboard player and I had lots of discussion on the state of audiences after that one I can tell you.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 22:09
when you have lot's of BIG ego's on a stage competing for attention like Yes did ---there's nothing like a big shiny gold cape that says--look at me---this was the showman that would bring you King Arthur on ice---I liked the cape---and I sorta liked Moraz's big shirt sleeves too
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 06:03
twosteves wrote:
when you have lot's of BIG ego's on a stage competing for attention like Yes did ---there's nothing like a big shiny gold cape that says--look at me---this was the showman that would bring you King Arthur on ice---I liked the cape---and I sorta liked Moraz's big shirt sleeves too
Now this is where we disagree! I love Moraz's playing on RELAYER and I'll never forgive the band for kicking him out (after RELAYER, GFTE has always seemed a terrible disappointment) but Moraz's sleeves, the way he contorts himself behind his keyboards (as can be seen on the LIVE AT QPR DVDs), and worst of all, that awful "poodle" haircut... No, VISUALLY speaking, Rick used to beat him every time, at least until he started wearing silly embroidered waistcoats on the GFTO tour...
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 07:34
fuxi wrote:
twosteves wrote:
when you have lot's of BIG ego's on a stage competing for attention like Yes did ---there's nothing like a big shiny gold cape that says--look at me---this was the showman that would bring you King Arthur on ice---I liked the cape---and I sorta liked Moraz's big shirt sleeves too
Now this is where we disagree! I love Moraz's playing on RELAYER and I'll never forgive the band for kicking him out (after RELAYER, GFTE has always seemed a terrible disappointment) but Moraz's sleeves, the way he contorts himself behind his keyboards (as can be seen on the LIVE AT QPR DVDs), and worst of all, that awful "poodle" haircut... No, VISUALLY speaking, Rick used to beat him every time, at least until he started wearing silly embroidered waistcoats on the GFTO tour...
I agree with you---Rick beats Patrick---and i also agree they should never have kicked him out (although Rick does a decent job on GFTO--even if some of his bits are Patricks ideas) ----Patrick (I saw him as many times live with Yes as there were tours) used to bounce around on stage to draw attention to himself rather than using his costume.
Posted By: crickleymal
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 08:13
Slartibartfast wrote:
^ Are you on some sort of cape crusade?
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 08:19
You forgot the rock n roll excesses of monster rock such as
LORDI
GWAR
SLIPKNOT
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 08:23
Besides........... NO Capes!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 15:42
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 09:05
Wakeman though came from the 70s and it was all glitz and glamour so his cape was only in response to the latest glam fad. Heaps of artists wore capes,
Steve Priest of Sweet,
Gary Glitter,
Elton John,
Brian May,
Slade
Kiss
It was the 70s thing
nobody questioned it
the same as wearing platform boots
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 11:54
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Wakeman though came from the 70s and it was all glitz and glamour so his cape was only in response to the latest glam fad. Heaps of artists wore capes,
Steve Priest of Sweet,
Gary Glitter,
Elton John,
Brian May,
Slade
Kiss
It was the 70s thing
nobody questioned it
the same as wearing platform boots
This is very true, and I must congratulate you on your new avatar (Lieutenant Gay Ellis, if I remember it right!), which I noticed for the first time today, and which nicely coincides with prog's heyday! (Having said that, I watched each episode of the wonderfully dressy "UFO" long before I was a progger...)
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 11:54
Gerinski wrote:
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
This is true too. BILL BRUFORD never wore a cape!
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 12:25
Gerinski wrote:
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
On the other hand, Miles Davis wore a glitter jacket when I saw him live on stage in 1986. And do you remember Herbie Hancock's Headhunters??? For all I know, even Chick Corea may have worn a cape (or just a funny hat!) in the old "Romantic Warrior" days...
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 15:25
Gerinski wrote:
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
No fancy lighting? Check out these photos from Fareed Haques' recent "Math Games" gig!
Nobody on PA seems to talk about Fareed, he is drop-dead amazing (PhD in guitar studies, chair of music at Northwestern Illinois University) and has a technique that rivals, if not blows past, many of the jazz-rock alums of the 70's!!
However, John McLaughlin is God, he can wear a cape or anything else that he wants to. I'd carry it for him.
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 15:42
cstack3 wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
No fancy lighting? Check out these photos from Fareed Haques' recent "Math Games" gig!
Nobody on PA seems to talk about Fareed, he is drop-dead amazing (PhD in guitar studies, chair of music at Northwestern Illinois University) and has a technique that rivals, if not blows past, many of the jazz-rock alums of the 70's!!
However, John McLaughlin is God, he can wear a cape or anything else that he wants to. I'd carry it for him.
Well for sure there are exceptions to every statement, I just said that most jazz-rock musicians do not rely on show elements to ensure a good concert. And I have to admit that I'm not familiar with Fareed Haques work, probably one more in the very long list of artists to check out
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: March 25 2011 at 18:59
This is Showbiz folks. Def Wakeman can't E-cape that fact.
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 26 2011 at 04:54
fuxi wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Wakeman though came from the 70s and it was all glitz and glamour so his cape was only in response to the latest glam fad. Heaps of artists wore capes,
Steve Priest of Sweet,
Gary Glitter,
Elton John,
Brian May,
Slade
Kiss
It was the 70s thing
nobody questioned it
the same as wearing platform boots
This is very true, and I must congratulate you on your new avatar (Lieutenant Gay Ellis, if I remember it right!), which I noticed for the first time today, and which nicely coincides with prog's heyday! (Having said that, I watched each episode of the wonderfully dressy "UFO" long before I was a progger...)
Hey thanks for that. i have had a lot of positive comments about Lt Ellis.... so i will be sticking with her, even if I change her photo from time to time.
Yeah it is my fave show from the 70s no doubt about it.
70s Nostalgia!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:49
Just found this.....Chris Squire models a lovely purple cape for us!! Damn, was this a GREAT song!!
I feel sorry that Peter Banks was booted out....Howe took his place on the album cover and in this video!
Howe generated amazing music with Yes, but Banks was also impressive! We'll never know how that might have worked out.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:12
cstack3 wrote:
Just found this.....Chris Squire models a lovely purple cape for us!! Damn, was this a GREAT song!!
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Hahahaha ... we missed the boat!
It's about getting enough attention that some folks think the music is good?
Right on ... I knew there was a reason why I liked YES ... I even got me a nice Edwardian Cloak with tassles and the whole works ... a few years later! ... there must have been a reson why I also did Costumes and Makeup in my theater days!
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:32
'Yes', it all got rather silly, but you can't accuse Rick of not having a sense of humour about it. It was other people who used it as a cover for sl*g.ing off the excesses of the 70s.
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:46
fuxi wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
I don't mind the show and it can be fun and it may give a certain identity to the musician, but being also a jazz-rock-fusion fan I couldn't care less about it, most jazz-rock musicians just play with their daily jeans and T-shirt on, no fancy lighting or video screens, no show needed to keep the public's attention. I don't need it either, good music is more than enough.
This is true too. BILL BRUFORD never wore a cape!
True... but he did wear this:
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:06
Dean wrote:
Get Cape, Wear Cape, Play Prog
No one wore the cape quite like P. Hawk. If anyone could get away with it it would be him.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 21:04
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
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Brian May,
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Ohhh c'mon ... Freddie wore some of the prettiest capes ever built! ... and some of them would even make the Queen mom proud. Only Fellini could have paraded a cape better in one of his movies (... if you haven't seen it ... too bad!!!) Even Prince Charles can't wear one of those because he knows that he would not look good in it compared to Freddie!
It's a very English thing ... they love their "symbol" of power and control of the masses! And a cape is a nice way to show off your ability and power, and we're too stupid and think that it is great ... and sometimes ... it wasn't! In fact, sometimes it was down right boring and pathetic! Not to mention down right ugly!
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 23:02
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Posted By: Ozexpat
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 20:19
Hey, back off. I think capes are cool.
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