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    Posted: February 23 2011 at 08:46




I'll not post anything anymore in the Tech talk section to avoid sterile polemics with jealous and/or ignorant people who think that they can make music out of a computer or that CD is superior to vinyl or that 24 bits technology solve all digital's musical issues, etc...


So people who want to learn, who want to get real advice about Hifi, portable hifi, any question related to optimization, power cables, filters, any accessory, please PM and i'll be happy to freely share my knowledge. Any ironic message will be simply ignored.

BTW, two members from PA heard my hifi gear. Philippe heard my home system two times and was amazed, as well as Alucard who listened to my portable system (described here) last time we met for lunch in a restaurant in Paris and he was very impressed and told me that "he'd never think that one can get such sound from a portable set up". Then soon after he bought a Senn HP following my advices.

Period.







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2011 at 13:18
Hello oliver,

I live in Paris, would it be possible to experience your system someday? (if you're in Paris that is...)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2011 at 13:29
Hello,

Actually i'm not in Paris,

rather deep into the country, in a remote location...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 05:19
For our US fellows, i just found this micro system that would be perfect for tiny rooms and budgets! Just need to add a decent source such as a first-price Nad CD player or a TT Rega P2 or P3 or even an Ipod playing uncompressed files (if nothing better is available), decent cables (such as QED ones, Wireworld) and you have a musical system.

http://www.aloaudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=429

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 07:26
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:





I'll not post anything anymore in the Tech talk section to avoid sterile polemics with jealous and/or ignorant people who think that they can make music out of a computer or that CD is superior to vinyl or that 24 bits technology solve all digital's musical issues, etc...
Phew, lucky I didn't qualify for any of those. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 07:28
So we still can be friends...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 09:43
Nice little system. I have never owned a tube amp, not sure I want to...but I am in the begining stages of looking for a new audio system. I am 47...so I have had my share of audio systems, and now I find myself just simply looking for a high end amp, pre-amp and speakers. My current receiver, Onkyo RC270 with THX and all that video stuff, just has too much stuff I don't use. I simply find myself listening to more of my vinyl in the past year and thought..."hey that's all I need right now!!"
I still use my Zune mp3 player a lot and CDs a lot especially in the car........So I will never abondon that media type.
 
So....what suggestions on a Amp, Pre-amp and Speakers? My current speakers are a Bose system with the Acoustimass bass module and dual swivel cube speakers.....I really enjoy the sound very much and plus with the cube speakers being that they are about 8" tall I can place them anywhere in the room if I want to change sound quickly....I do have them on pole stands.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 09:51
Not an easy request...i'd change the Bose but i feel that you're not ready to hear that.
Most preamplifiers are very costy! Why do you need a preamp?

I'd recommend a Nad CD player paired with a Nad integrated amp and a pair of bookshelf Mission on good stands and a full QED cable line. The cheaper musical system i can think about.

Edit: This is not the only option, there are alot of musical cheap CD players (mostly from England) that work such as Rega, Naim, Creek...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 10:27
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Not an easy request...i'd change the Bose but i feel that you're not ready to hear that.
Most preamplifiers are very costy! Why do you need a preamp?

I'd recommend a Nad CD player paired with a Nad integrated amp and a pair of bookshelf Mission on good stands and a full QED cable line. The cheaper musical system i can think about.

Edit: This is not the only option, there are alot of musical cheap CD players (mostly from England) that work such as Rega, Naim, Creek...
 
Thanks.....never said I needed a new CD player..the one I have now is very good. I've listened to Mission speakers before and I don't care for them much, they lack low end. Maybe I should have mentioned my system is in the lower level of my home which is basically our game/activity room and is about 1100sqft (about 102m²)...so small bookshelfs are not desirable for my setup.
 
Years back my father had a NAD cassette deck and it was the best equipment he owned, next to the Pioneer reel-reel deck, which I still have BTW....and works excellent.
 
My search continues...Thanks for the suggestion!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:17
If you want an affordable, "basic" but musical solid state amplification, you may go for a Nad or Rotel preamp/amp setup.

There are a lot of interesting speakers around...where are you located please?

PS: I used to use Mission with a (38 cm) Magna Omega 380 sub. Now using Focal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:32
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:





I'll not post anything anymore in the Tech talk section to avoid sterile polemics with jealous and/or ignorant people who think that they can make music out of a computer or that CD is superior to vinyl or that 24 bits technology solve all digital's musical issues, etc...
Phew, lucky I didn't qualify for any of those. LOL

But in that case my question would be: Who's the other one? Oliver used plural, so I can't be the only one.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2011 at 15:25
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

If you want an affordable, "basic" but musical solid state amplification, you may go for a Nad or Rotel preamp/amp setup.

There are a lot of interesting speakers around...where are you located please?

PS: I used to use Mission with a (38 cm) Magna Omega 380 sub. Now using Focal.
 
Located in Seattle, Washington USA........I am also not interested in affordable, if that were the case I would be shopping at BestBuy or Wal-mart......But I also don't like to over spend for over rated equipment (which I think there is tons of that around).
I like good quality equipment that will last....the Bose Acoustimass speakers I have are about 14yrs old and still perform great...That to me is getting my monies worth.
 
I'm sure I will need a sub with whatever I endup with, the room needs it. There are several audiophile showrooms here in the Seattle area....there are tons of Microsoft and internet millionaires in this area, so cinema rooms are a big deal here.
But I always find they are over priced music boxes with lots of lights and buttons and fancy names......the only quality I see is the box may be made of a nice hardwood.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2011 at 02:20
when i say "cheap", it depends on the model.

If you want solid state amplification, something dynamic, muscular, reliable and still musical, deafinetly a Rotel setup

preamp choice

http://www.rotel.com/NA/products/index.htm?cat=29

power amp choice

http://www.rotel.com/NA/products/index.htm?cat=30

Yes, you'll need a sub as well for such a big room;
at least a 38cm (15 inches) diameter to obtain real extreme low.

Recommended brand: Sunfire

http://www.sunfire.com/products.asp



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2011 at 13:10
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:





I'll not post anything anymore in the Tech talk section to avoid sterile polemics with jealous and/or ignorant people who think that they can make music out of a computer or that CD is superior to vinyl or that 24 bits technology solve all digital's musical issues, etc...


So people who want to learn, who want to get real advice about Hifi, portable hifi, any question related to optimization, power cables, filters, any accessory, please PM and i'll be happy to freely share my knowledge. Any ironic message will be simply ignored.

BTW, two members from PA heard my hifi gear. Philippe heard my home system two times and was amazed, as well as Alucard who listened to my portable system (described here) last time we met for lunch in a restaurant in Paris and he was very impressed and told me that "he'd never think that one can get such sound from a portable set up". Then soon after he bought a Senn HP following my advices.

Period.






Smile I like this attitude.

I'm not really into hi-fi as such, maybe because of money issues - and I always prefer to buy vinyl more than equipment.  I LOVE old reel-to-reel machines though. I recently bought myself such a piece for almost no money complete with original accessories - from 1964, and it works perfectly!
 

Anyway - I might be interested in an affordable integrated tube amplifier (max. 2000$) - can you recommend any?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 01:40
^ Which attitude is that - the one of trying to bully dissenters into keeping out of the threads?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 01:58
Whoever mentioned Bose in a hifi thread... Fail
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 02:36
Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:


Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:



Smile I like this attitude.I'm not really into hi-fi as such, maybe because of money issues - and I always prefer to buy vinyl more than equipment.  I LOVE old reel-to-reel machines though. I recently bought myself such a piece for almost no money complete with original accessories - from 1964, and it works perfectly!   Anyway - I might be interested in an affordable integrated tube amplifier (max. 2000$) - can you recommend any?


A good tapedeck or reel-to-reel is a wonderful source, like a big tuner or of course, a good vinyl deck.

As you're located in europa, the answer to your question is easy:
Prima Luna. The good news is that it's less than 2000€!
It let you a good amount of money for optimization (cables, cancelling vibration devices, etc...) and/or maybe a cheap musical CD player (a second hand Nad, Rega or Naim is between 150 and 500€).

Not only Prima luna is affordable, well designed, highly musical and neutral but it also features a unique and very convenient auto-bias
system which automatically set your tubes (otherwise it has to be done manually each time you replace a tube).


Here's a model suited to your needs:
http://www.primaluna.nl/products_subpage1a2.htm

If you use it alone, without solid state power amplification for low end (bi amplification), you have to pair it with speakers with a minimum of 90db of sensitivity. This amp is "only" 40W, but 40W tubes easily equals 70 to 80 solid state Watts.


I precise that i'm myself the happy owner of a Prima Luna Prologue Four
(stereo power amp that i use with a passive Rotel Michi preamp, the whole help by a Sub Magna Omega 380). I warmly recommend this brand,
along with "Jolida" (extremely musical). You can also consider "Cayin" in the same league but it's a little more expensive and slightly less neutral but still very musical.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 09:30
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Whoever mentioned Bose in a hifi thread... Fail
 
Me....is there a problem? Almost 20yrs ago it was a lot of money for me and still are some of the best sounding speakers I ever owned...I will say ONLY for vinyl, there is a big difference with my digital on my Bose.
Now that I make tons more money I am looking for a new system.......But in noway am I into throwing my good hard earned money away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 09:59
If you have plenty of money, sell back the Bose and go for an ambitious system with bi amplification (tubes in the highs, solid state in the low + sub (so, almost tri-amp)). Almost nobody will advice that, but believe me or not, this is the royal way, because tubes are incredible in the mid/highs and highs but slightly round in the extreme low.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 10:14
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

If you have plenty of money, sell back the Bose and go for an ambitious system with bi amplification (tubes in the highs, solid state in the low + sub (so, almost tri-amp)). Almost nobody will advice that, but believe me or not, this is the royal way, because tubes are incredible in the mid/highs and highs but slightly round in the extreme low.
 
Like I said before I have never owned a tube amp product.....it is interesting to me and I plan to investigate, certainly the claims I have always read are its the best sound reproduction around.
 
And I would not sell anything back that I like..makes no sense.......I plan to give them to one of my sons, the size fits their rooms well....once I find new speakers.
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