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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2011 at 21:53
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

By the way, in the holocaust more than 1500000 Roma (gypsies to be brief) were killed. Why none ever remembers them?

Because the gypsies are not a united ethnic group with money enough to make us remember it with a new movie every year, not that this is bad, because  holocaust must never be forgotten, but lets be honest, the Jewish community will never allow us to forget holocaust, because they have the resources..

The Holocaust was horrendous, but there are massacres everywhere that people don't care about.

Gypsies for example, are despised everywhere, they were killed, not only by Nazis, but also by Stalin and harassed by most Christian churches (including the Catholic) in Europe.

The Vichy Government sent gypsies to concentration camps in Argeles-Sur-Mer and Bacarés, but this was not new in France, since 1912, Gypsies were forced to have a special ID that had to be sealed in every town at the entrance and departure, if not they were sent to jail.

50% of the gypsy community in Europe was exterminated between 1926 and 1938, the Zyklon B gas was tested for the first  time in Buchenwald on February, 1940 with 250 gypsy children, but nobody was convicted in Nuremberg for this..

The problem is that this people  are stigmatized, Gypsies are seen as crooks and experts in frauds everywhere, so people simply close their eyes and see on the other way when something happens to 

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Most people seem to forget about Aktion T4.

That's right, you google it.
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Blue Effect is Allen Rouse



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Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Most people seem to forget about Aktion T4.

That's right, you google it.

No need to Google, you are talking about the euthanasia program that started in 38 or 39 by lethal injection.

It was criminal, but legally it's massive murder, not genocide, because the kids or severely ill  were German, not the race the Nazis were trying to exterminate.

And the most horrendous is that the killers were really doctors, who had made an oath..

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We have shown the charts, Seen the movies. With a sense of oneupmanship we have compared our tragedies. We have even spun it and coined a new phrase to identify it...."ethnic cleansing"......a new language for a society with vast access to information, a society
which is slowly hardening itself off to the tragedies. Allen Rouse has always been on the stormfront "in his head". An article says he rarely comes out of his house. In this modern day and age you can hate right from your computer chair on the "stormfront". 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Most people seem to forget about Aktion T4.

That's right, you google it.

No need to Google, you are talking about the euthanasia program that started in 38 or 39 by lethal injection.

It was criminal, but legally it's massive murder, not genocide, because the kids or severely ill  were German, not the race the Nazis were trying to exterminate.

And the most horrendous is that the killers were really doctors, who had made an oath..

Iván
And for those who wish to understand how the doctors were able to do what they did, the psychological forces that evolved and turned "healers into killers", i would highly recommend the book "The Nazi Doctors" by Robert Jay Lifton. It is a disturbing, but quite illuminating, look at how they did what they did-there were some literally Orwellian things going on, not surprisingly, but this book helps one to understand
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 10:43
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Blue Effect is Allen Rouse



Thank you Tony R! Good work! Clap Thumbs Up

Who is Allen Rouse? I mean why is it cause of so much celebration that he was "discovered"? I just want to know who this famous character was... Confused
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Points: 10679 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 11:08
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:


Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Blue Effect is Allen Rouse
Thank you Tony R! Good work! Clap Thumbs Up

Who is Allen Rouse? I mean why is it cause of so much celebration that he was "discovered"? I just want to know who this famous character was... Confused


Allen Rouse is the leader of a New York neo-Nazi group called Stormfront. These people don't just talk hate Teo, they f**k people's lives up big time.
This is very serious stuff not to be played with or taken lightly.
They are not fond of Latinos either by the way, welcome to America.
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For more information on neo-nazi groups the kkk and anyone else like them.
Visit the website for The Southern Poverty Law Center at splcenter.org
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 11:29
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:


Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Blue Effect is Allen Rouse
Thank you Tony R! Good work! Clap Thumbs Up

Who is Allen Rouse? I mean why is it cause of so much celebration that he was "discovered"? I just want to know who this famous character was... Confused


Allen Rouse is the leader of a New York neo-Nazi group called Stormfront. These people don't just talk hate Teo, they f**k people's lives up big time.
This is very serious stuff not to be played with or taken lightly.
They are not fond of Latinos either by the way, welcome to America.

Interesting. So he's basically an idiot. 

Don't worry John. I know there are haters everywhere. If they harm people, f**k them. But I'm happy they can (not here of course but at large) voice their stupid opinions with freedom. 

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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

And for those who wish to understand how the doctors were able to do what they did, the psychological forces that evolved and turned "healers into killers", i would highly recommend the book "The Nazi Doctors" by Robert Jay Lifton. It is a disturbing, but quite illuminating, look at how they did what they did-there were some literally Orwellian things going on, not surprisingly, but this book helps one to understand

In the fourth year of laws, we studied Criminology and the process of  Stigmatization.

The case we studied was the one of the Nazi doctors and nurses of the Reich, and how they were forced to commit horrendous crimes, but this was only at the start, after a time they accepted their role and even justified themselves.

They claim they stopped to feel shame or pain (They never really cease to feel this sentiments), the patients ceased to be humans to be only specimens with no face or name for them, the paradox is that the victimizer also suffered changes.

If you see a photo of a doctor that practiced this inhuman acts or the nurses, you will find that their facial expressions are harsh and threatening, as if they were angry all the time,. they also are full of hate against normal people with normal jobs, but they were not be able to reject what they did, because in that case they would not be able to self justify themselves as acting in the interest of a greater good .


36 years Old Maria Mandel, nurse who selected people for the gas chambers, also called "The Beast"

This woman was 23 years old but she looked much older and with a cold sight, as if nothing matters.

This stigmatization can be an automatic and progressive effect of their acts with no intervention of the will or can be a voluntary act, as in prisoners who are convicted for long terms.

Being that some of this prisoners really don't feel any shame, their facial expressions don't change in an automatic process, so  they destroy their bodies, like self inflicting cuts (The cuts are like medals in the military), or placing terrible tattoos in their bodies to be more frightening.

It's a very interesting process for study purpose..

Iván 


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Re Teo: the keyword that Tony used was "agenda" we don't want these people to use this site for a foot hold so to speak.
They just spread from there.
You have a good day homs, peace.
   
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

For more information on neo-nazi groups the kkk and anyone else like them.
Visit the website for The Southern Poverty Law Center at splcenter.org


That's a great website John. Thanks for sharingClap
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Re Teo: the keyword that Tony used was "agenda" we don't want these people to use this site for a foot hold so to speak.
They just spread from there.
You have a good day homs, peace.
   
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 13:14
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

By the way, in the holocaust more than 1500000 Roma (gypsies to be brief) were killed. Why none ever remembers them?

Because the gypsies are not a united ethnic group with money enough to make us remember it with a new movie every year, not that this is bad, because  holocaust must never be forgotten, but lets be honest, the Jewish community will never allow us to forget holocaust, because they have the resources..



Er, it's a bit...

Oh, well, nevermind.
After all, who am I to talk? My grand-grand-father joined the LVF on the Eastern front...
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Thanks to those who noticed that Stormtrooper Rouse has invited his "friends" over here to play:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t782237/
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I want to tell them I dislike Marillion and Rush but I cannot be bothered.  Ah well.

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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Thanks to those who noticed that Stormtrooper Rouse has invited his "friends" over here to play:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t782237/

What? We hate neo-prog! That's what finally drove stonebeard mad! And sure, Rush may be more popular, but they love Rush too. Maybe I should start a free jazz thread there, I bet they'd be receptive to Albert Ayler. But I'd rather not have a Stormfront account, even on a throwaway email. 

Edited by Henry Plainview - February 26 2011 at 03:41
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Maybe they need to listen to Penderecki.
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Maybe they need to listen to Penderecki.


Maybe everyone needs to listen to Penderecki.
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