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rogerthat
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:12 | |||||
But Beethoven's sphere of influence is larger, even compared to Beatles. Even in the 20th century, I would consider Miles more influential. And singling out Lennon makes no sense for on what basis does Beatles's influence derive solely from his contribution?
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Luna
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:31 | |||||
Jesus.
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thellama73
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:33 | |||||
You mean Bartolomeo Cristofori and Les Paul? In terms of classical composers, I would argue that Beethoven has been more influential than Bach, but as for modern popular music I have to go with Elvis. I also think that Brian Eno has been tremendously influential on modern music and that he is often underestimated in this regard. |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:44 | |||||
It would be completely logical to say that in 1857 about Beethoven. What's the problem?
Yeah for conductors, but he can't match someone influential who actually wrote music. |
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:52 | |||||
Ehhhhhhhh. As a singular individual he could be thought of as highly influential, but i wouldn't overestimate his actual importance to the course of music. Maybe he nudged ambient music along a bit, but it's not like he was the only one. And he's a good producer, with a identifiable approach, but I don't see it being revolutionary or anything. |
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:53 | |||||
Well, he did write a good rock opera, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. |
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The T
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:00 | |||||
I agree with Shields partially here. Of course HVK, as much as I love him, is not as influential as those who revolutionized music from within. HVK was an outstanding director first at the Wiener Staatsoper and then at his glorious stint with the Berliner Philarmoniker but he was, after all, just a director. Even Leonard Bernstein would have a greater impact since he was also a composer and he was a pioneer of many composers (like Mahler, following the steps of Bruno Walter). I disagree with Miles Davis of course. Maybe it's just me but the real revolutions of the 20th century started in academic music and "trickled down" ... Please... Arnold Schoenberg and serialism and atonal music; Bartok; even awkward experimenters like Cage, Stockhausen or the minimalists. But of course, in the 20th century, few have the revolutionary stature of the destroyer of rhythm, not a personal favorite but how could I deny it, Igor Stravinsky. Now if this question (I haven't read it yet) is of all times, we better start with Hildegard von Bingen and contemporaries, and end in our father, the greatest of them all, Johann Sebastian Bach. And whoever disagrees with me can meet me outside....
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The T
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:03 | |||||
i just found the first page Bach. Enough said. Lennon? Of ALL time? Please.... just because we didn't live in the previous centuries doesn't mean we can be so damn... sorry... ignorants. Ok, you can say something else. Damn if you so much think life start and ends with rock at least say Elvis or one of his influences or some blues artist... but LENNON????
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The T
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:05 | |||||
He turned water into wine but it's rumored he actually sucked at music, leaving everything in good old's Gabriel lyre-ready hands....
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The T
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:08 | |||||
Study Bach: there you will find everything. Bach: The immortal god of harmony. And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolant god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity — on each page we discover things which we thought were born only yesterday, from delightful arabesques to an overflowing of religious feeling greater than anything we have since discovered. And in his works we will search in vain for anything the least lacking in good taste. Bach almost persuades me to be a Christian. I do not think that music keeps evolving. It evolved through Bach; since then, in my humble opinion, all the innovations added nothing. Music owes as much to Bach as religion to its founder. Playing and studying Bach convinces us that we are all numskulls. Bach is the beginning and end of all music. Although love for music does not necessarily mean love for the composers of all the times, the true love for music, however, cannot exist without the love for Bach. [T]he most stupendous miracle in all music! Bach’s music is the only argument proving the creation of the Universe can not be regarded a complete failure. Creativity is more than just being different. Anybody can play weird; that’s easy. What’s hard is to be as simple as Bach. Making the simple, awesomely simple, that’s creativity. You can’t have Bach, Mozart and Beethoven as your favorite composers: They simply define what music is! Not that this proves anything but anyway... I just love quoting quotes about Bach... Edited by The T - February 14 2011 at 22:10 |
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thellama73
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:10 | |||||
I am of the opinion that electronic, ambient and hip-hop music would all sound vastly different without Eno around to influence it. My Life in the Bush of Ghosts introduced the power of sampling to the world, big time (Skinny Puppy were working along the same lines, but they were much less well known), just as Discreet Music did for ambient. I'm not saying he's the most influential of all time - not even close. But I do think his impact on modern music is underestimated by most people. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:45 | |||||
what a ponce, sounds more like Gordon Geko-- leave it to a Republican oil tycoon to say something so ignorant
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The T
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Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:53 | |||||
^Oh unlike the other quotes I didn't know who he was . I just had to copy it. Of course it's nonsense. THAT ONE is nonsense.
Still not as nonsensical as naming Lennon most influential name in music of all time. |
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 04:47 | |||||
He invented Jazz before any black musician ever thought of it and still influences Prog Rock today (Beatles, Genesis, Renaissance, Marillion, Emerson .....)
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 05:56 | |||||
Most Influential Individual in Music?
The listener |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 06:00 | |||||
Profound.
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hobocamp
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:04 | |||||
And Bach. You forgot to mention Bach. It would be completely logical to say that in 1857 about Bach. Nevertheless, "barely cold in historical terms" does not rule out influence, so the claim is neither valid nor sound; and therefore not logical. Here are some "absurd" quotes that were made by contemporaries of Bach, who was barely cold in historical terms:
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:07 | |||||
^ Those were hardly Bach's contemporaries
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hobocamp
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:09 | |||||
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:44 | |||||
You can't know the influence of someone until it's been a long time since they died. 1857 was 200 years after Bach was born, so that's probably long enough (although he was not respected until the 19th century).
I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean, but this new emoticon, used both seriously and sarcastically, is starting to really anger me. Edited by Henry Plainview - February 15 2011 at 10:46 |
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