Most influential Individual in Music
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Topic: Most influential Individual in Music
Posted By: coykiesaol
Subject: Most influential Individual in Music
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 02:00
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Who is the the most influential person in music...EVER? Now it has to be one person, so if you want to vote for a band you're going to have to narrow it down to who out of that band is the most influential. I'm going to have to say John Lennon. I've only heard a couple of songs from him as it's not really my style of music, but nearly all my favourite bands list him or The Beatles as their reason for getting into the business. |
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 02:16
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Of all time? Lennon is barely cold in historical terms, that's absurd! You'd have to go at least as far back as Beethoven to get serious, although we probably owe a greater debt to Bach. Or whoever wrote all that Gregorian chant. Of course, this is only considering Western music, as Eastern music has a much longer tradition that I know little about. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 02:20
| Bach in Western music and Thyagaraja in Carnatic music. I am not so clear about the origins of Hindustani music and whether one individual could be said to have been so hugely influential. It is doubtful if Lennon is THE most influential Beatle because imo Macca was the better songwriter and a more vital cog in the band and in the larger scheme of things, he is, sorry, small fry. Even to call him the most influential 20th century musician would be a long shot. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 02:24
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Was going to pick someone in jazz or blues, but really...I guess it has to be a classical composer, and I have no idea who would be the most influential. Hate to cop out but this question is impossible to answer really  |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 02:39
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Irving Berlin
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:02
| Pope Gregory, Mozart, Elvis. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:05
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George and Ira Gerswin, Louie Armstrong, Duke Ellington -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:24
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Bach? Beethoven? Please, that's a bit extreme, and besides I think the OP had someone a little more recent in mind; maybe Leonard Bernstein, or Brian Wilson |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:26
But he used the word EVAH and not modern music or rock/pop. I think calling Lennon the most influential ever is a bit much.
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 05:47
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Me, because if there had not been me, I wouldn't have heard any music, and that makes all music in the world meaningless. ------------- 
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 06:04
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Og the caveman, banging on a rock with a stick. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 07:23
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Rock: Elvis
Country: Johnny Cash
Classical: Beethoven
Metal: Jimi Hendrix
Prog: Robert Fripp
Jazz: Miles Davis ------------- 
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 07:35
| Alexis Korner, "The founding father of British blues." Him with Cyril davies formed Blues Incorporated in the early '60's and many eventual great musicians passed through his band and his club. To list all the musicians would take me an hour. Keeping things in somewhat of the modern times. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 11:49
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Me. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 11:52
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Bach ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:08
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In general- Bach 20th Century- Herbert von Karajan |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:09
I doubt it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:09
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:13
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John Lennon? Wasn't he influenced by Bob Dylan? ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:14
And Bach. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:16
I wasn't even going to post in this thread because I thought it sounded silly until I saw the person suggested in the OP.  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 12:26
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 13:21
Even after 20 years since his death, he is still enormously important. For a very long time-years, even decades, about one of every four classical records bought was a Karajan recording The important positions in the music world and awards he recieved are too numerous even to mention. HVK was a forward looking visionary, and very interested in technology as applied to music, being the first in areas of technology connected with music. There are a whole plethora of music "firsts" connected with Karajan. Not even the Beatles themselves could rival all of this. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 13:39
| Monteverdi, you northern scum. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:32
I would wager to say that Schoenberg was more influential from the past century. I would probably say Miles Davis or one of a few other jazz greats takes the 20th century title. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:40
to be honest, had it not been for Fripp, metal music would probably not exist. And though i understand why you chose him for prog, but who influenced him? that person(s) would have to be the one(s) who influenced prog the most i think. everything else i agree with, except maybe Bach for classical (but it could go either way) Jimi influenced guitarists, not necessarily whole genres of music EDIT: wait, Elvis would be nothing had Chuck Berry not paved the way ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 14:49
John Lennon claims, in the 1980 Playboy interview, that "Ticket to Ride" was the first heavy metal song. So now we're full circle.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 15:17
This man has nailed it. It is a matter of opinion. I mean, there are plenty of musical professors out there that would argue Mozart a greater influence than Bach. Same for Beethoven, Haydn, Purcell... For me though, it would be between: J. P. Rameau - he established that inversions are still essentially the same chord, however inverting it gives it different harmonic properties. Beethoven - Simply because he revolutionised the piano, the symphony, the orchestra and the Classical period in music. Gustav Mahler - Completely twisted romanticism into modernism almost, by bringing in elements of world / folk music into his symphonies. In other words, he practically created classical "fusion". Schoenberg - The father of atonalism, developed a completely new and systematic way of making music, which in a way is on a completely different emotional plain to tonal music. Duke Ellington - Over 1000 jazz compositions, most of them jazz standards that are still very much alive and being played today, as well as jazz symphonies. Had a massive hand in the development of jazz improvisation and piano voicing. Some of the most famous tunes known universally were written by this man, probably the most important figure in jazz. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:39
As cool as this sounds, it's not true.
Although quite true, I think we need to remember the seemingly logical progression of music throughout history, and that if Chuck Berry hadn't of created rock n' roll, somebody else would have anyway and around the same time. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 01:53
agreed, especially since Fripp was still making hippie love songs when the Yardbirds, Blue Cheer and Kinks were blowing the roof off clubs |
Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:50
carl perkins? ------------- la la la and a bottle of plum! 
and when it lands will my eyes be closed or open? |
Posted By: PlumAplomb
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:53
i think there wouldn't be metal music without beethoven imo, even megadeath were classically trained julliard musicians. or wagner or mussorsky? or more simply put, there wouldn't be metal without classical. i grew up with classical so i accredit that mostly to most influential. tchaikovsky is my favorite though, you can accredit him to symphonic prog maybe? or grieg? i also like to think of that question on a smaller scale as well, i like to think that without gloria gaynors i will survive, i might not have riot grrl music for instance. without tony wilson i wouldn't have madchester. everyone paves some way ------------- la la la and a bottle of plum!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 09:59
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Pythagoras.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:12
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Here's a few ideas: The inventor of the pianoforte.
The inventor of the electric guitar.
These two instruments have dominated Western music in their own eras. Obviously their precursors were also very important but each had some specific qualities that allowed entire new sounds to evolve.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:19
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Simon Railton
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:27
Judging by the review, isn't he the caveman who shouted og and hit something with a piece of wood? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 10:28
The reality is unfortunately more frightening than this. The influence here is in showing what not to do. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 12:21
Nailed what? The last in the coffin of Lennon as a credible contender? By his logic, if the same question were posed in 1857, Beethoven's, not to mention Bach's, consideration would be "absurd" due to "historical terms." I'm not supporting Lennon as the most influential, but I don't see the relevance of this type of position. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 14:46
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Fripp was heavily influenced by the Beatles as were most prog musicians of that era but this was a whole band lead by a very clever producer.Not just one individual. Jon Lord and Keith Emerson were heavily influenced by Bach who also influenced many classical composers so Bach has much greater credentials I would have thought. His influence transcends musical styles/cultures.
btw the first heavy metal song was The Kinks 'You really got me'.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 18:18
You'd probably be right actually... the harmonic series is probably the most important thing in harmony! ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:12
But Beethoven's sphere of influence is larger, even compared to Beatles. Even in the 20th century, I would consider Miles more influential. And singling out Lennon makes no sense for on what basis does Beatles's influence derive solely from his contribution?
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:31
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Jesus.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:33
You mean Bartolomeo Cristofori and Les Paul? In terms of classical composers, I would argue that Beethoven has been more influential than Bach, but as for modern popular music I have to go with Elvis. I also think that Brian Eno has been tremendously influential on modern music and that he is often underestimated in this regard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:44
It would be completely logical to say that in 1857 about Beethoven. What's the problem?
Yeah for conductors, but he can't match someone influential who actually wrote music. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:52
Ehhhhhhhh. As a singular individual he could be thought of as highly influential, but i wouldn't overestimate his actual importance to the course of music. Maybe he nudged ambient music along a bit, but it's not like he was the only one. And he's a good producer, with a identifiable approach, but I don't see it being revolutionary or anything. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 20:53
Well, he did write a good rock opera, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:00
I agree with Shields partially here. Of course HVK, as much as I love him, is not as influential as those who revolutionized music from within. HVK was an outstanding director first at the Wiener Staatsoper and then at his glorious stint with the Berliner Philarmoniker but he was, after all, just a director. Even Leonard Bernstein would have a greater impact since he was also a composer and he was a pioneer of many composers (like Mahler, following the steps of Bruno Walter). I disagree with Miles Davis of course. Maybe it's just me but the real revolutions of the 20th century started in academic music and "trickled down"   ... Please... Arnold Schoenberg and serialism and atonal music; Bartok; even awkward experimenters like Cage, Stockhausen or the minimalists. But of course, in the 20th century, few have the revolutionary stature of the destroyer of rhythm, not a personal favorite but how could I deny it, Igor Stravinsky. Now if this question (I haven't read it yet) is of all times, we better start with Hildegard von Bingen and contemporaries, and end in our father, the greatest of them all, Johann Sebastian Bach. And whoever disagrees with me can meet me outside.... ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:03
i just found the first page Bach. Enough said. Lennon? Of ALL time? Please.... just because we didn't live in the previous centuries doesn't mean we can be so damn... sorry... ignorants. Ok, you can say something else. Damn if you so much think life start and ends with rock at least say Elvis or one of his influences or some blues artist... but LENNON????    -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:05
He turned water into wine but it's rumored he actually sucked at music, leaving everything in good old's Gabriel lyre-ready hands.... -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:08
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Study Bach: there you will find everything. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Johannes+AND+lastName:Brahms" rel="nofollow - Johannes Brahms Bach: The immortal god of harmony. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Ludwig+AND+lastName:Beethoven" rel="nofollow - Ludwig van Beethoven And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolant god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity — on each page we discover things which we thought were born only yesterday, from delightful arabesques to an overflowing of religious feeling greater than anything we have since discovered. And in his works we will search in vain for anything the least lacking in good taste. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Claude+AND+lastName:Debussy" rel="nofollow - Claude Debussy Bach almost persuades me to be a Christian. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Roger+AND+lastName:Fry" rel="nofollow - Roger Fry I do not think that music keeps evolving. It evolved through Bach; since then, in my humble opinion, all the innovations added nothing. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Gordon+AND+lastName:Getty" rel="nofollow - Gordon Getty Music owes as much to Bach as religion to its founder. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Robert+AND+lastName:Schumann" rel="nofollow - Robert Schumann Playing and studying Bach convinces us that we are all numskulls. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Robert+AND+lastName:Schumann" rel="nofollow - Robert Schumann Bach is the beginning and end of all music. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Max+AND+lastName:Reger" rel="nofollow - Max Reger Although love for music does not necessarily mean love for the composers of all the times, the true love for music, however, cannot exist without the love for Bach. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Dimitrij+AND+lastName:Kobalewski" rel="nofollow - Dimitrij Kabalewski [T]he most stupendous miracle in all music! http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Richard+AND+lastName:Wagner" rel="nofollow - Richard Wagner Bach’s music is the only argument proving the creation of the Universe can not be regarded a complete failure. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:E.+AND+lastName:Cioran" rel="nofollow - E. M. Cioran Creativity is more than just being different. Anybody can play weird; that’s easy. What’s hard is to be as simple as Bach. Making the simple, awesomely simple, that’s creativity. http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Charles+AND+lastName:Mingus" rel="nofollow - Charles Mingus You can’t have Bach, Mozart and Beethoven as your favorite composers: They simply define what music is! http://strangewondrous.net/search?query=firstName:Michael+AND+lastName:Thomas" rel="nofollow - Michael Tilson Thomas Not that this proves anything but anyway... I just love quoting quotes about Bach... -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:10
I am of the opinion that electronic, ambient and hip-hop music would all sound vastly different without Eno around to influence it. My Life in the Bush of Ghosts introduced the power of sampling to the world, big time (Skinny Puppy were working along the same lines, but they were much less well known), just as Discreet Music did for ambient. I'm not saying he's the most influential of all time - not even close. But I do think his impact on modern music is underestimated by most people. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:45
what a ponce, sounds more like Gordon Geko-- leave it to a Republican oil tycoon to say something so ignorant
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 22:53
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^Oh unlike the other quotes I didn't know who he was . I just had to copy it. Of course it's nonsense. THAT ONE is nonsense.
Still not as nonsensical as naming Lennon most influential name in music of all time. -------------
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 04:47
He invented Jazz before any black musician ever thought of it and still influences Prog Rock today (Beatles, Genesis, Renaissance, Marillion, Emerson .....)
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 05:56
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Most Influential Individual in Music? The listener ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 06:00
Profound. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:04
And Bach. You forgot to mention Bach. It would be completely logical to say that in 1857 about Bach. Nevertheless, "barely cold in historical terms" does not rule out influence, so the claim is neither valid nor sound; and therefore not logical. Here are some "absurd" quotes that were made by contemporaries of Bach, who was barely cold in historical terms:
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:07
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^ Those were hardly Bach's contemporaries
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:09
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:44
You can't know the influence of someone until it's been a long time since they died. 1857 was 200 years after Bach was born, so that's probably long enough (although he was not respected until the 19th century).
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 10:50
It's not as bad as the headbanging one. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 11:03
That's true, but the relative rarity of the handshake, combined with the horrible ugliness of the gif itself (they're both jerky animations, but headbang doesn't have giant flounderface eyes and misaligned hands) makes it that much more upsetting when it does happen.
But I admit I have a problem with emoticons and they all annoy me. I have to remind myself that  isn't being used by people as a passive aggressive bitch-slap because that's always how my brain interprets it. And don't get me started on the damn approve and stern emoticons.------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 11:45
As for Bernstein, yes he was important, but i would not hold up his compositions as record of this-they are rarely played, and have not made much of an impact, at all. Lenny did not pioneer Mahler, people like Bruno Walter and Oskar Fried did. And there were other, more important conductors in the US that were doing alot more "pioneering", again, before Bernstein, people like Koussevitzky, Mitropoulos, and Adler |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:27
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^I mentioned that Lenny "followed Walter's footsteps". His compositions are gaining fame and success every year (his Mass on Naxos was one of the most praised new recordings last year) and finally he's getting the composition-recognition he deserved. And if Karajan was influential in Europe, Lenny was so in tbe US, the first big American-born name, an educator, a personality.
I still think composers were more influential than directors though. Which also adds points to Lenny -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:30
Brahms and Bach?
Hobocamp, next you will say Guilliaume de Machaut and Philip Glass lived in adjacent houses and played card together... -------------
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:30
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:35
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By the way, there is this wrong idea that Bach as not fully respected before Mendelssohn started performing continuously (and with cuts and edits) the St Matthew Passion. Bach was respected in his lifetime, he was quite successful, that's why princes and Margraves liked him and kept him in comission. He was not super famous after he died but he never was this unknown genius who romantically got discovered centuries later. That's a false notion that any proper music historian will discreedit. Of course, people love these kind of things.. (like all the false myths around Mozart too) -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:39
Yes, I think it would be more correct to say that he went out of fashion for a while, no? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 12:45
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^Well said. -------------
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:28
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 17:46
It would be nice if you argued against me instead of smirking. How is it possible to know what someone's influence will be on the entire history of music before you've experienced a lot more of it? And T, I should have said not really respected. I know he was never obscure, but as far as I know he wasn't regarded as a luminary until much later. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 10:49
Agree with both your comments HP. -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 11:13
The reason I didn't pick is because inevitably you get arguments about so and so did this first and yada yada.
And yeah, Bach.
"Blackbird" by the Beatles is my modern favorite ripped from the old guy, but there are many. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 11:17
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Joke from one of my kids' DVDs: Q: Why did Mozart get rid of all his chickens? A: Because they kept going "bach, bach, bach."  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 11:23
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Chicken-breeding Mozart or Bach-loving-chickens... that's the question... -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 12:40
They actually play it on TV and Hulu. It's weird. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:23
That. Is. OSSUM. Brahms could do with being a bit fatter however. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 13:48
At least he didn't say Kurt Cobain. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 15:01
Hahaha, the power of the arts! That ad makes me happy, although Brahms was a jerk to my favorite composer, Liszt, and I find his music boring. -------------
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 15:13
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Everyone is influenced by those that come before. Then their influenced music goes on to influence others... With that being said, none of those know the truly most influential musical individual, because he is not recorded by written history.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 15:40
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since i dont want to multiple quote, im just going to bring up Fripp being important to metal music. Like rock music, metal would have been created in some form or another eventually. However i was referring to an interview i remember, where Ozzy Osbourne (or Tony Iommi, i dont remember) said that if it werent for 21st Century Schizoid Man, Black Sabbath would not have gone in a heavier direction, and we all know that Sabbath are said to have been the first metal band. Im sorry, but after all these years, i cannot agree with the fact that guys like Hendrix, Clapton (Cream), etc.. were more influential on metal. Sure they inspired countless guitarists and other musicians, but i think there were more important people in that area. In fact, guys like Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Clapton, whoever, were more influential in the development of Jazz-Rock Fusion, than metal. Jimmy Page is probably the exception. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 15:44
of course, i mean without classical, most music wouldnt exist, at least not in the way it exists now. late 70s, and most 80s metal is highly classically inspired. That influence seems to have diminished during the 90s, and from whatever metal i hear these days that isnt prog metal, the classical influence is completely gone, unless the band was directly influenced from one of the 80s bands. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 16:35
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 23:32
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Probably whatever old guy who invented music theory. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 17 2011 at 00:19
I'm surprised you didn'y say Alice Cooper -------------
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