Another nail in the coffin: The postal system

Proletariat wrote: The T wrote: Proletariat wrote: Epignosis wrote: Proletariat wrote: Epignosis wrote: Proletariat wrote: im sorry i don't want to live through a period of turmoil resulting from a major change in the economic structure of my nation? if the majority of citizens like the postal service then libertarians need to suck it up. Glad you weren't around during the Revolution.  I believe in the masses making decisions, if the majority of americans wanted change I wouldn't so much mind... although I would probably go somewhere else until the bad bit was over.     Do you know if the majority of Americans want change or not?  Have you asked them?And as for comfort and safety trumping morality and liberty, we have had a lot of that throughout our history.  Still do. im sorry i put the safety and happyness of myself and my family before idealism. revolutions are tricky... how do i know if this particular one will end up like the american revolution because I ain't dying for one that ends up like the russian or cuban or even the french revolution... I want no part of the rieghn of terror thank you There would be no reign of terror because there is no group holding absolute power over the rest.  What an idealist for someone called "Proletariat".  i am a communist in my belief in the evolution of social systems leading to communism but I am not an advocate of rovolution.   also I don't see how a liberterian system in which buisness is unfettered by regulation could end up in anything other than oligarchy. whithout a strong central government it is natural for social inequalities to widen and the wealthyest will come out on top and those on bottom will be more or less serfs. so while ideally there would be no group with absolute power economically of course their would be.

First paragraph: then you're no communist. Communism as such can only be achieved by the revolution of the, ehem, proletariat. Or, in reality, by the gaining of absolute power by a bureaucracy. But it wouldn't be communism sincethere would not be "to each according to his needs, from each according to his possibilities". It would be "to each according to a group of people''s plans, from each according to the same group of people's needs for a comfortable life".

Second paragraph: there are TONS of oligarchies in the world, many holding a lot of power over people, specially in countries with more regulation and bigger governments. Contradiction anyone? What tools do you think these oligarchies use to exert their power?

The T wrote: Anthony H. wrote: JJLehto wrote: Anthony H. wrote: JJLehto wrote: PROGARCHIVES:Even our debates about the post office get heated I should start a thread about whether paper or plastic bags are better. Dude! That's about to cross a line... I guarantee that it would get heated. I guarantee you both will be banned by tomorrow morning.

For that? Seems like a light offense compared to others out there!
Fear not, I have no want to partake in something that stupid

Padraic wrote: timothy leary wrote: or grumble and fill yourselves with negativity, one hell of an option seems to work well for you

Padraic wrote: timothy leary wrote: Padraic wrote: timothy leary wrote: You don't like the government, then tear it down, all talk, no action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma And your point is? You have set up a false dichotomy in that we must either accept the status quo completely or overthrow the government, which is clearly ridiculous.

Thanks Pat.  If anyone has read my opinions about government, I am a conservative libertarian- I am not an anarchist.  I believe there is a need and benefit of government, but the government we have is neither needed nor beneficial- only a minimal portion of it is, and even that is funded immorally.

Padraic wrote:   lol...how did a discussion on the post office lead to this. oh wait it's progarchives

It's all my fault again; it all happened because of my joke attempt with ideological subtext from page 2. I said "again" because it's not the first time - remember how I turned Slarti's thread about being held by the police into a 40 pages long thread about guns in America?

Talking w/o doing anything, seeing things as good or bad, and on and on goes the circle game

Oh yeah wait a minute mister postman.

Have we lost all the warm fuzzies about the postal system?

Edited by hobocamp - January 25 2011 at 10:43

Thanks for the autobiography.