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The T
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Posted: January 19 2011 at 23:36 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The T wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
T wasn't it just like four months ago that we were opposites of each other? | I still have my doubts about things (which I will continue to voice in the other thread but it's clear that in many ways I see everything much clearer now, and reading and thinking made me come to the conclusion that I always believed in many of the ideas, just couldn't get pass my own mental and psychological blockades. You know, when you see your own situation as justification to impose it to the world, and then you realize you're actually doing that even though the person you've always been really points to the opposite direction, then finally you can start to think freely, and truthfully.
No this is not a fake flip-flopping... This is called, at least ideologically, self-actualization, and realization. One day someone (sadly, and quite un-impressively, here) opened my eyes (not you by the way Pat) and made me think and realize all I wanted was absolute control, when that's everything I've always despised. Logic and a LOT of thinking and reading do the rest...
I still hate, loathe and abhor Kayo Dot's second album though... | Nah it was me T don't lie You'll come around on Dowsing, though you like BLD which is better so it's ok. |
No. It really wasn't you. Though it might as well have been you, since it was your Padawan, Apprentice, Pupil and future Right Hand MOM who once said government's power had to be curbed lest it fall in the hands of people like me. Quite stalinist I felt. It struck a nerve. And started quite a deep introspection (which was underway anyway, but I had never approached it from a political/ideological point of view).
I have to continue studying. Maybe one day I'll label myself. For now, I'm closer to this than I am to that.
And none will ever make me like Sigur Ros.
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 19 2011 at 23:51 |
Kayo Dot is pretty good, though I prefer motW.
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NecronCommander
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 01:08 |
I have a borderline unhealthy obsession with maudlin of the Well.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 08:57 |
JJLehto wrote:
Oh dear, maybe Pat has finally had the eye opening realization we actually do believe in market forces.
But will he truly believe it!?
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You believe in market forces like a Catholic believes in the bible.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 08:57 |
The T wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The T wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
T wasn't it just like four months ago that we were opposites of each other? | I still have my doubts about things (which I will continue to voice in the other thread but it's clear that in many ways I see everything much clearer now, and reading and thinking made me come to the conclusion that I always believed in many of the ideas, just couldn't get pass my own mental and psychological blockades. You know, when you see your own situation as justification to impose it to the world, and then you realize you're actually doing that even though the person you've always been really points to the opposite direction, then finally you can start to think freely, and truthfully.
No this is not a fake flip-flopping... This is called, at least ideologically, self-actualization, and realization. One day someone (sadly, and quite un-impressively, here) opened my eyes (not you by the way Pat) and made me think and realize all I wanted was absolute control, when that's everything I've always despised. Logic and a LOT of thinking and reading do the rest...
I still hate, loathe and abhor Kayo Dot's second album though... | Nah it was me T don't lie You'll come around on Dowsing, though you like BLD which is better so it's ok. | No. It really wasn't you. Though it might as well have been you, since it was your Padawan, Apprentice, Pupil and future Right Hand MOM who once said government's power had to be curbed lest it fall in the hands of people like me. Quite stalinist I felt. It struck a nerve. And started quite a deep introspection (which was underway anyway, but I had never approached it from a political/ideological point of view).
I have to continue studying. Maybe one day I'll label myself. For now, I'm closer to this than I am to that.
And none will ever make me like Sigur Ros. |
And I was told that comparing people to despots and dictators wasn't an effective way to communicate to them.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 09:29 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Oh dear, maybe Pat has finally had the eye opening realization we actually do believe in market forces.
But will he truly believe it!?
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You believe in market forces like a Catholic believes in the bible.
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You're just a leetle bit crazy aren't you?
How exactly does a Catholic believe in the Bible, sir?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 09:38 |
Negoba wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Oh dear, maybe Pat has finally had the eye opening realization we actually do believe in market forces.
But will he truly believe it!?
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You believe in market forces like a Catholic believes in the bible.
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You're just a leetle bit crazy aren't you?
How exactly does a Catholic believe in the Bible, sir? |
That was the joke?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 09:43 |
I'm honestly not sure what that joke means. If it means what I think it means, Mr. Equality is even crazier than I thought.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:03 |
JJ doesn't believe in market forces. Catholics don't believe in the bible.
Dum Dum Da Duh Dum Duh
There's the joke.
At least Henry got it.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:06 |
That's what I thought you meant.
It's a double insult based on two fallacies. Got it.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The T
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:15 |
Catholics believe in the Bible but many of them are very, ehem, "selective" in what they belief. And even more "selective" in what they choose to APPLY. I was born in a 95% catholic country so I think I know a little. So does Bryan, according to The Shield, believe in market forces. It's my interpretation and I don't think it makes anyone look crazy.
The error is, probably, not saying "christians" instead of just "catholics".
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:15 |
So I'm crazy how?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:29 |
Functionally delusional. (Like most of us in one way or another.)
Choosing to swipe at Catholics in strangely old school. That's what prompted the comment.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The T
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:32 |
Yes, it's scientologists who is OK to swipe at.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:34 |
Negoba wrote:
Functionally delusional. (Like most of us in one way or another.)
Choosing to swipe at Catholics in strangely old school. That's what prompted the comment. |
It wasn't a swipe. Just an analogy. I was raised Catholic in an all Catholic neighborhood so it's a natural comparison.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:43 |
The usual suspects claiming Catholics don't believe in the Bible are fundamentalist Protestants. But I suppose lapsed Catholics (of which I am one) probably would be a close second.
You still crazy.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:47 |
I was effectively taught to ignore the Old Testament throughout 14 years of Catholic school. I was also taught to ignore some selected pieces of the New Testament. So I've always found it strange when also told we believe in the Bible.
But of course nobody can deny that I'm crazy. That's an entirely separate issue.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Negoba
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:52 |
The Catholics actually admit they pick and choose. The Fundies don't. But you aren't a Fundy.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:53 |
Thankfully.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: January 20 2011 at 10:54 |
You are both masters of generalization.
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