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Topic: Should marijuana be legalized?
Posted By: Deleuze
Subject: Should marijuana be legalized?
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:20
Well, it's time to share your thoughts. Peace.

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:26
Yes

Do I really need to go into the long list of reasons why?


Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:34
Yes.  If for no other reason than this: no one has proven that it's any worse for you than alcohol or tobacco.



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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:36
Drug schedules are whacked, and I assume political.

A schedule 1 drug, on the same level as heroin and higher then cocaine?
While alcohol and tobacco ARE known to be addictive and use of it will eventually damage most of your organs. Also, there is no real medical usages for either. Yet both legal and heavily advertised.

Not to mention the whole "right to do with my body" thing
And the whole make it legal and tax argument we all know. Will also cut down on that market and make it safer (won't have to worry that someone mixed PCP in with your marijuana)


Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:38
We've had this poll ages ago, didn't we? Or was that medical? I think it was. Anyway, poll results were (and are going to be) less than surprising. LOL


Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:39
It already is. 

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:39
Has Deleuze attempted to use the search function and find out this topic has been done before? Tongue

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Posted By: Falx
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:43
I vote yes. Our police waste thousands of man-hours digging the stuff up and burning it; while alcohol (especially binge-drinking and drunk-driving) does far more damage to society, yet that's totally legal from age 18.

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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:44
I see I'm the lone "no". Not surprising though, given this is a prog rock community.


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 19:54
But it is legalized, you're just living in the wrong country. 


Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:04
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Has Deleuze attempted to use the search function and find out this topic has been done before? Tongue


I didn't find any match for Marijuana so...I thought u know...Sorry ^^'

I'm sure this topic will be interesting tough


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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:08
Originally posted by Deleuze Deleuze wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Has Deleuze attempted to use the search function and find out this topic has been done before? Tongue


I didn't find any match for Marijuana so...I thought u know...Sorry ^^'

I'm sure this topic will be interesting tough
The one on the forum is horrid.  Go to the database part of PA and set the search engine to "forum," and then try.  It's much more effective.


Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:09
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Deleuze Deleuze wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Has Deleuze attempted to use the search function and find out this topic has been done before? Tongue


I didn't find any match for Marijuana so...I thought u know...Sorry ^^'

I'm sure this topic will be interesting tough
The one on the forum is horrid.  Go to the database part of PA and set the search engine to "forum," and then try.  It's much more effective.


Thanks sir! :D


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:18
You gotta wonder what the feds and cops do with the trillions of dollars worth of confiscated dope

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

But it is legalized, you're just living in the wrong country. 


America = the world

the rest simply does not exist


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:22
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You gotta wonder what the feds and cops do with the trillions of dollars worth of confiscated dope


sniff it?


Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

America = the world

the rest simply does not exist


yeah good point, didn't think of that

seriously, holland is kickass

why do you think is Loek so dizzy and head-aching all the time?


Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:24
It always amazes me that the same people who complain about a "nanny state" government want marijuana to remain illegal.

Bacon is more detrimental to people's health, for crying out loud.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:25
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

It always amazes me that the same people who complain about a "nanny state" government want marijuana to remain illegal.

Bacon is more detrimental to people's health, for crying out loud.


Quoted for truth and LOL


Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:32
All drugs should be legal
All drug, except medical, use should be discouraged/avoided or or if it's socially acceptable and beneficial(like alcohol, as in drinks with your boss,parties, date, etc.) should be used in moderation.


And almost all forum drug topics are for people to rationalize their own drug use, so f**k off and create a better, more creative topic.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:35
Yes






Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:36
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You gotta wonder what the feds and cops do with the trillions of dollars worth of confiscated dope


sniff it?


Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

America = the world

the rest simply does not exist


yeah good point, didn't think of that

seriously, holland is kickass

why do you think is Loek so dizzy and head-aching all the time?
Wink


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:38
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

All drugs should be legal
All drug, except medical, use should be discouraged/avoided or or if it's socially acceptable and beneficial(like alcohol, as in drinks with your boss,parties, date, etc.) should be used in moderation.


And almost all forum drug topics are for people to rationalize their own drug use, so f**k off and create a better, more creative topic.


I've never taken any illicit drugs and yet I support legalization


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:41
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

All drugs should be legal
All drug, except medical, use should be discouraged/avoided or or if it's socially acceptable and beneficial(like alcohol, as in drinks with your boss,parties, date, etc.) should be used in moderation.


And almost all forum drug topics are for people to rationalize their own drug use, so f**k off and create a better, more creative topic.


Don't know about all, but in the cause of marijuana of course point #2 applies.
I like when people say "ZOMG! You want some pilot flying high? or a surgeon operating on you?"
No, but I wouldn't want them doing that drunk either.
Big dumbies...

And KoS you silly goose, I think a lot more advocate without use then we assume.


Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:43
I never said that advocates all use drugs.
I said forum topics.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 20:47
Yes. It has to be legal. There's no reason to keep it illegal. There is no reason to that people can't do what they want with their bodies... 




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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 21:07
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes. It has to be legal. There's no reason to keep it illegal. There is no reason to that people can't do what they want with their bodies... 



Amen.


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 22:07
On the one hand, I don't really care, although I still think you're stupid for doing it. On the other hand, I don't want any more smoke in public places, but I guess the strength of marjuana would prevent people from smoking it like cigarettes.


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 22:57
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

On the one hand, I don't really care, although I still think you're stupid for doing it. On the other hand, I don't want any more smoke in public places, but I guess the strength of marjuana would prevent people from smoking it like cigarettes.


nah, I'll do a pack or 2 of joints a day


Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 00:28
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

On the one hand, I don't really care, although I still think you're stupid for doing it. On the other hand, I don't want any more smoke in public places, but I guess the strength of marjuana would prevent people from smoking it like cigarettes.
Your naivety  is cute.


Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 00:31
No.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:12
I am not against legalization of marijuana, just against the use of it. No vote.

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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:15
Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:22
Yeah smoking while driving invariably ends up with your car going thru a drive thruRawks

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:37

What if they made munchies illegal?



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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:49
If people would pay attention to the Libertarian thread (as you all should) we wouldn't have to have these polls.

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:55
^ Sorry I'm a vegetarian not a Libertarian. Munchies are those mean square rolo type sweets right? I know if my kids have been smoking......there's no peanut butter in the house.

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:55
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Yeah smoking while driving invariably ends up with your car going thru a drive thruRawks


Think about the boost to the economy!


Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:57
I think there are some tech issues with the forum tonight, or it's the Oceanic server :-(

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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 04:02
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

But it is legalized, you're just living in the wrong country. 
 
Yeah, it should be legalized everywhere, and not just for medical use.
 
Btw that's really stupid, the medical marijuana distribution system is so easy to abuse and a lot of people do. So just legalize it already. There's many more benefits to it's legalization than there is to keeping it illegal. I think cutting down on drug related crime and allowing cops to focus their attention on stuff that's actually important is the big thing.


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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 04:27
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.


Its cars that should be illegal, not marijuana.

But its obvious that it should be legalized. These kinds of arguments are irrelevant, as long as countries where its still illegal, like Germany and UK have a higher percentage of the population using "soft drugs" than in the Netherlands. So with legalizing, you get less drugrelated issues, not more. Punishing, or even send to jail people that smoke to get high (and forcing them to interact with the crimeworld) is a waste of time, money and resources.

(Btw: I think stoners are generally the dullest people on the planet, and only poison myself with alchohol)


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 05:47
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

It always amazes me that the same people who complain about a "nanny state" government want marijuana to remain illegal.

Bacon is more detrimental to people's health, for crying out loud.


People smoke bacon?  Shocked

http://www.1percent.com/juicy-jays-bacon-rolling-papers.html - Oh wait...


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 06:05
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

I think stoners are generally the dullest people on the planet




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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 06:50
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.
Its cars that should be illegal, not marijuana.But its obvious that it should be legalized. These kinds of arguments are irrelevant, as long as countries where its still illegal, like Germany and UK have a higher percentage of the population using "soft drugs" than in the Netherlands. So with legalizing, you get less drugrelated issues, not more. Punishing, or even send to jail people that smoke to get high (and forcing them to interact with the crimeworld) is a waste of time, money and resources.(Btw: I think stoners are generally the dullest people on the planet, and only poison myself with alchohol)


I think Frank Zappa once proclaimed that smoking dope was the most boring pursuit possible, other than watching TV. I have some sympathy for this view, but to be honest I'd rather be in the company of people who are stoned and just chilling out, than morons who have been on the beer all day, and are starting to get maudlin or agressive. That's a thousand times worse in my opinion, than someone who is just stoned. I've known too many people who turn into total w&nkers when drinking.

I dont smoke these days. I struggle to get anything done anyway, for other reasons, so getting stoned makes this worse, but as someone who generally gets sick before he gets drunk, I dont enjoy alcohol much, and generally speaking would favour being stoned any day of the week. Horses for courses.

I dont advocate use of any drugs, that includes drink.

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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 06:57

I think all drugs should be legal, including crystal-meth or whateven drug there is. make it cheaper and easier to obtain.

 


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:03
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:08
I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.


Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:16
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.


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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:23
Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/67 - Indeed they do.

And I voted yes; I'm all for people being able to put whatever they want into their body.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:24
Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.


As I said, it's the idea of this friend of mine. I'm not sure things work this way. After all, from what I heard and read, there's not a lot of people who take hard drugs after having been potheads. These two "drug cultures" are too much different to permit the existence of some "scales" between them. It can exist, but it doesn't seem to be a majority, rather a small minority.

The potheads seem rather to be ready to thicken their lungs with nicotine.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:35
There was a report published about 5 years ago which showed that the UK had the highest rate of illegal drug use in Europe, along with Sweden (I think) Coincidenatlly both countries had the toughest anti drugs laws. The evidence speaks for itself.

But the whole issue is emotive and politicised. Many among our middle classes are terrified of drugs, and believe that they are only used and sold by hooded, black men with guns in alley ways. Sometimes the supply works it's way into universities where their innocent, defenceless offspring are studying. They smoke one joint, and the next thing they'll be selling their own kidneys for rocks of crack.

One way to lose an election is to 're-open the debate on legalising drugs'

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:42
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:



Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs. I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.

As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.

As I said, it's the idea of this friend of mine. I'm not sure things work this way. After all, from what I heard and read, there's not a lot of people who take hard drugs after having been potheads. These two "drug cultures" are too much different to permit the existence of some "scales" between them. It can exist, but it doesn't seem to be a majority, rather a small minority.The potheads seem rather to be ready to thicken their lungs with nicotine.


There's many different types of drug users. Cannabis is often a 'stepping stone' drug. Although there is nothing in pot that chemically pre-disposes the use of any other drug, in many circles it goes hand in hand with other substances. I wont go into too much detail, in case it's misinterpreted as advocation of drug use.

Legalisation would arguably not expose the user to unscrupulous dealers supplying other substances, but while those substances exist, people will continue to go to the black market to acquire them. For this reason, ALL drugs need to be legalised and tightly controlled imo.

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:43
Andy, your signature is distinctly apt for this thread

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:47
LOL


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 07:50
Oh yes!

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 08:05
Where?

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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 09:07
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.


As I said, it's the idea of this friend of mine. I'm not sure things work this way.


Stop listening to your friend. he has no idea what he is talking about.

and: Try and get some knowledge first, and then form an opinion.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 09:58
I don't support most government regulations and restrictions, and this is one of them. As much as I discourage the use of drugs, there's no reason why the government can tell you what to do with your own body.  I actually completely agree with Frank Zappa's stance on this. He was an anti-drug activist, but supported the legalization of weed. 

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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 10:01
I take the Frank Zappa stance: I don't do it and I find it kinda dumb, but I'm all for legalizing it.

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 10:07
I wrote a paper many years ago when I was in college supporting the legalization of marijuana and I still feel pretty much the same way today.   Probably the above Frank Zappa descriptions probably fit my point of view the best. 

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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 10:21
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.


The only reason marijuana is ever a gateway to harder drugs is because people have to become acquainted with drug dealers to get it. If you could buy it at your local grocery store, it would just be a gateway to...cupcakes!


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 10:51
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.

It's obvious you've never used it. Years ago (like 10) I actually did the stupid thing of driving a few times under the green influence and I can tell it's much more doable than under alcohol influence.And you don't need two days to get your head straight. You can be driving (properly) again in 6 hours... 

It's incredibly stupid and irresponsible to drive under the influence of marihuana though... I'm not supporting it. I'm just saying you have your facts wrong. 


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Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 10:52
I vote yes because you can die of drinking too much water too fast...yes it has already happened...but you absolutly CANNOT die from marijuana...the lethal dose is 15 000 join in 20 minutes so...do the math...Tongue
And also it is less phisycally addictive than coffe and also less toxic. It would be fair to keep marijuana illegal if we put water illegal too.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 11:34
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.


As I said, it's the idea of this friend of mine. I'm not sure things work this way.


Stop listening to your friend. he has no idea what he is talking about.

and: Try and get some knowledge first, and then form an opinion.


In fact, my opinion is already "formed" for a long time: I saw some acquaintances smoking marijuana / haschich / kif AND drinking a lot, sniffing cocaïne or talking about the places where to buy ecstasy pills.



Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:01
Hokai, so, I want it legalized for personal convenience. Hokai, so I don't believe it should be legal/illegal. I'm indifferent. My vote is based entirely on self interest.

Hokai, so I don't smoke, currently. I used to, often, but quit without any real problems. I'd like to, again, if it were legal and really cheap. I hate paying for drugs, but sometimes, they're so damn good. I mean that high you get when you're toasted off your ass and you mix it with some vodka shots, and they.....

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:11
Originally posted by GY!BE GY!BE wrote:

I vote yes because you can die of drinking too much water too fast...yes it has already happened...but you absolutly CANNOT die from marijuana...the lethal dose is 15 000 join in 20 minutes so...do the math...Tongue
And also it is less phisycally addictive than coffe and also less toxic. It would be fair to keep marijuana illegal if we put water illegal too.
However, a healthy person dying of water intoxication is very close to being physically impossible, and a reasonable quantity of marijuana is a hell of a lot worse for you than water, so your comparison is invalid.
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

On the one hand, I don't really care, although I still think you're stupid for doing it. On the other hand, I don't want any more smoke in public places, but I guess the strength of marjuana would prevent people from smoking it like cigarettes.
Your naivety  is cute.
I don't like being around smoke and I think that enjoying yourself by altering the chemicals in your brain is lazy. You can call me what you want.


Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:17
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by The Sleepwalker The Sleepwalker wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I voted "no", and I would always vote "no" about any idea of legalizing any drugs. I already support the "fight" against tobacco and alcoholism.

A few days ago, a friend of mine explained me why he was against this legalization: as long as marijuana is forbidden, its users would keep with this "grass" and would be less likely to try hard drugs.
I'm not sure his theory is correct, but that would be an idea I could throw in the discussion.
As far as I know the Netherlands have relatively less hard drug addicts than the US. I'm not 100% sure though.


As I said, it's the idea of this friend of mine. I'm not sure things work this way.


Stop listening to your friend. he has no idea what he is talking about.

and: Try and get some knowledge first, and then form an opinion.


In fact, my opinion is already "formed" for a long time: I saw some acquaintances smoking marijuana / haschich / kif AND drinking a lot, sniffing cocaïne or talking about the places where to buy ecstasy pills.



^Oh wow, you did? And that's the reason for your "opinion" on legalization? What can I say; your way of argumenting isn't all that impressive.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:22
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Hokai, so, I want it legalized for personal convenience. Hokai, so I don't believe it should be legal/illegal. I'm indifferent. My vote is based entirely on self interest.

Hokai, so I don't smoke, currently. I used to, often, but quit without any real problems. I'd like to, again, if it were legal and really cheap. I hate paying for drugs, but sometimes, they're so damn good. I mean that high you get when you're toasted off your ass and you mix it with some vodka shots, and they.....

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Whew! You got dangerously close to drug advocating there and not discussion!


Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:24
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by GY!BE GY!BE wrote:

I vote yes because you can die of drinking too much water too fast...yes it has already happened...but you absolutly CANNOT die from marijuana...the lethal dose is 15 000 join in 20 minutes so...do the math...Tongue
And also it is less phisycally addictive than coffe and also less toxic. It would be fair to keep marijuana illegal if we put water illegal too.
However, a healthy person dying of water intoxication is very close to being physically impossible, and a reasonable quantity of marijuana is a hell of a lot worse for you than water, so your comparison is invalid.
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

On the one hand, I don't really care, although I still think you're stupid for doing it. On the other hand, I don't want any more smoke in public places, but I guess the strength of marjuana would prevent people from smoking it like cigarettes.
Your naivety  is cute.
I don't like being around smoke and I think that enjoying yourself by altering the chemicals in your brain is lazy. You can call me what you want.


But it makes me feel good, Henry. It makes me feel better than paying bills does. Paying bills should be illegalized, and marijuana legalized in her place.

For the sake of argumentation, listening to music is just as easy as smoking weed, so why isn't it lazy? I mean, everything you do alters the chemicals in your body, some way or another. The air you breathe, your emotions being mere fluctuations of chemicals.

So, really, it's all lazy. I can understand if you personally don't like it. Personally, I don't like lots of stuff.

Not that I am trying to argue a point. at heart, I'm a circumstantialist, and am indifferent to all things in terms of personal opinion. I just do what I feel, and talk lots o' sh*t on account of I wanna.


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:25
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I don't like being around smoke and I think that enjoying yourself by altering the chemicals in your brain is lazy. You can call me what you want.


Boring Sleepy


Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 12:59
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.

It's obvious you've never used it. Years ago (like 10) I actually did the stupid thing of driving a few times under the green influence and I can tell it's much more doable than under alcohol influence.And you don't need two days to get your head straight. You can be driving (properly) again in 6 hours... 

It's incredibly stupid and irresponsible to drive under the influence of marihuana though... I'm not supporting it. I'm just saying you have your facts wrong. 


I don't care about whether you feel like you can still drive under the "green influence" - and neither would the cops. Just saying.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:00
OMG JIMSON WEED IS ALREADY LEGAL!!! Shocked Cool


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:02
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.

It's obvious you've never used it. Years ago (like 10) I actually did the stupid thing of driving a few times under the green influence and I can tell it's much more doable than under alcohol influence.And you don't need two days to get your head straight. You can be driving (properly) again in 6 hours... 

It's incredibly stupid and irresponsible to drive under the influence of marihuana though... I'm not supporting it. I'm just saying you have your facts wrong. 


I don't care about whether you feel like you can still drive under the "green influence" - and neither would the cops. Just saying.

You love facts and evidence Mike. I was disproving your uninformed assertion. Just saying. Tongue




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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:06
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Yes. One big problem though is driving under the influence of it. I've never used it myself, but apparently when you do you'll have to wait a couple of days until you're allowed to drive a car. That will certainly be a problem, even if it is legalized.

It's obvious you've never used it. Years ago (like 10) I actually did the stupid thing of driving a few times under the green influence and I can tell it's much more doable than under alcohol influence.And you don't need two days to get your head straight. You can be driving (properly) again in 6 hours... 

It's incredibly stupid and irresponsible to drive under the influence of marihuana though... I'm not supporting it. I'm just saying you have your facts wrong. 


I don't care about whether you feel like you can still drive under the "green influence" - and neither would the cops. Just saying.


Yeah, I dont trust my driving sober...but I have been in the car with someone driving under the green, it was only around town but he's fine. Im guessing it would vary person to person, but he's also driven long highway sections many times perfectly fine....

While its stupid and may vary I gotta agree, you dont have to wait days.


Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:07
^^ All you proved is that you read something into my post that wasn't there. I was specifically saying "until you're allowed to drive a car". I didn't say "until you can think that you can drive a car".

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:12
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^^ All you proved is that you read something into my post that wasn't there. I was specifically saying "until you're allowed to drive a car". I didn't say "until you can think that you can drive a car".

It depends on the country... that's a matter of law, not of facts or science.... Tongue


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:14
Alright alright chillax

No idea if Teo was getting at this...but how long should that be? Some people are capable of driving well enough while others can't
You said 2 days? That would indeed be a problem LOL
What if someone wants me to go Church Mike? I'll need to blaze to make it through that....
but then I'll have to drive there still. Can't do it 2 days before...

Wink


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:19
Going to church under the influence? Now that's some interesting way of trying to get in contact with your creator... (or to try to be able to bear the usually atrocious sermon)... 

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:22
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Going to church under the influence? Now that's some interesting way of trying to get in contact with your creator... (or to try to be able to bear the usually atrocious sermon)... 


I was thinking the latter LOL but I suppose its worth a shot


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:24
"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f**king high on drugs, man."

Bill Hicks


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:24
Isn't that how the American Indians interacted with their spiritual world?

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:26
Yes, Scott. Or some other natural drug.
I think it's Ethnogens? Drugs used for spiritual purposes.


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:26
"My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR f**kING BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my f**king life."

Bill Hicks




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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:28
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f**king high on drugs, man."

Bill Hicks


I was wondering how long it would take before someone mentioned Bill.
I mean its a prog forum after all LOL


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:38
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f**king high on drugs, man."

Bill Hicks


I was wondering how long it would take before someone mentioned Bill.
I mean its a prog forum after all LOL


I knew posting one was due but was posting two overkill?


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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:40
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^^ All you proved is that you read something into my post that wasn't there. I was specifically saying "until you're allowed to drive a car". I didn't say "until you can think that you can drive a car".

It depends on the country... that's a matter of law, not of facts or science.... Tongue


(I'm just kidding Mike relax... Clown I'm not Trademark... )


We all have a Trademark in us ... but we can fight it.Big smile


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 13:42
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

"See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f**king high on drugs, man."

Bill Hicks


I was wondering how long it would take before someone mentioned Bill.
I mean its a prog forum after all LOL


I knew posting one was due but was posting two overkill?


Nah ever since.....ah damn who was he?
Was it King of Siam? Well anyway..not since that person have I seen a lot of Hicks references, so you're entitledSmile


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 14:16
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak's underwear Mr ProgFreak's underwear wrote:



We all have a Skidmark in us ...


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 14:43

Probably, but there are much important problems with the way we're governed to worry about first.



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Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 14:52
No. It should be smoked.  Wacko


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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 15:07
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak's underwear Mr ProgFreak's underwear wrote:



We all have a Skidmark in us ...


Clown




No, I won't lower the bar any further.Wink


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 15:22
Originally posted by Rabid Rabid wrote:

No. It should be smoked.  Wacko



Ermm

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 15:29
Well the votes are pretty conclusive and not rigged, most stoners wouldn't find this thread again. And if they did would be surprised or freaked out to see " YOU HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THIS POLL"
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I stopped smoking cigarettes years ago, and weed many many years ago before that, but either one when you do give up, your sense of smell becomes acutely tuned again. I go for long walks at night and often smell the weed wafting over suburbia's walls. Very pleasant nostalgic moment and glad to be a passer by , not a partaker.
 
To quote the Stones...." what a drag it is getting old"Smile


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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 16:29
It would be interesting to see how many people voting "yes" are not smokers, otherwise the yes result doesn't mean much. It'd be like asking NAMBLA members to vote on whether pedophilia should be legalised.


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 16:33
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html - http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html


Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 16:52
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

It would be interesting to see how many people voting "yes" are not smokers,


Judging by the comments, a lot of nonsmokers vote yes. Including myself.

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

otherwise the yes result doesn't mean much. It'd be like asking NAMBLA members to vote on whether pedophilia should be legalised.


Instead of making stupid comparisons, why don't you give us some good reasons for being against legalization? I have yet to hear any.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:00
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

It would be interesting to see how many people voting "yes" are not smokers,


Judging by the comments, a lot of nonsmokers vote yes. Including myself.

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

otherwise the yes result doesn't mean much. It'd be like asking NAMBLA members to vote on whether pedophilia should be legalised.


Instead of making stupid comparisons, why don't you give us some good reasons for being against legalization? I have yet to hear any.


Agreed. I know for a fact a lot of people (IRL not just this lil siteShocked) are fine with it and don't partake. Even conservatives I've known while saying "not my thing" have said they dont see it as a big deal. Even adults my parents age have said "they dont really care". Country is more accepting of it then people may think, or at least more apathetic about it.

And yes, would be nice to here some opinions on the other side.  Smile A debate is no fun if we all agree


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:09
Drugs of any type are not good for you.  I think M causes a lot of damage to smokers and especially with todays stronger forms.  i still don't think it should be illegal as it makes it more glamourous to people when it's illegal.  Education is most important then you takes your choice.  I never liked it mind so I'm biased.

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:10
I didn't vote

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:12
Weed is not good for you. But we really dont know if its any bad
Obviously bad for your lungs, its smoke...and I do believe over a long time there may be some damage it causes.
But I dont think its nearly as much as ciggs or alcohol.


Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:12

I don't partake, and I think it should be legalized.

Maybe we could make a more interesting poll out of this. 


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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 17:14
Legalize all drugs

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