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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:21
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

That's such a terrible way to live your life.

So obeying the law and my moral is a terrible way of living?

Wow.

Iván

How come the 'or' changed to an 'and'?

You said you won't do anything which is illegal or immoral. Using the former as a guideline for your life is terrible and decidedly immoral. 

There was a time in this country when it was illegal to not return an escaped slave over to his master. But by all means put your personal convictions up to popular vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:28
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

 

Jesus Iván, don't change the subject. Where the hell dicrimination was legal? USA? That's one of the most pollitically backward nation in the western world. In Brazil discrimination has been a crime punishable by improsonment for over 100 years, as I think it has been in most of Latin America.

Many places in the world, not only USA...Remember South Africa.

And Latin America being free from discrimination is a lie, until a few years ago Jews weren't accepted in some clubs, 

Even today, in Perú some sites can deny the entrance to expensive locals based in their clothes (and even when they don't say it, race). In some places they post a sign saying:

EL LOCAL SE RESERVA EL DERECHO DE ADMISIÓN
(The local can limit the admission without any explanation)

And that's enough, I seen this in Argentina and if I'm not wrong in Chile...So how is discrimination illegal if with a sign you can reject the entrance of any person without an explanation?

BTW: I read claims from Brazilian models of racism and read this http://www.brazzil.com/p16oct96.htm

Iván





            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:29
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Ivan, please learn how to do the quotes man.

You never answered me, do you make any personal choices or do you base your actions on whether or not it's legal?

Because that is certainly what it sounds like.




Yeah, I always had problems with this quitation thing here in PA. Don't you wish there was a manual or a walkthrough of some kind?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:30
#1 reason why marijuana should be legalized:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:31
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

oh lol there was a time an all those drugs were legal.

Oops.

Also, I apologize Ivan I forgot that everyone obeys the law, like yourself.
Remember when the US made alcohol illegal? That went stunningly well.


Surprisingly, the USA was actually enforcing a comunist ideal by making alcohol and other drugs illegal.

And they call Obama a marxist. OH MERRICA, U SO CRAZY.


Hitler was also against smoking, and was one of the first to implement smoking bans.
I'm not saying that wanting to ban smoking is a fascist sentiment....

And lol obama and his socialist healthcare plan that greatly benefits the companies. But that's not for this thread....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:32
It is fascist.  Wanting to ban smoking leads to genocide as history shows us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:33
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

How come the 'or' changed to an 'and'?

You said you won't do anything which is illegal or immoral. Using the former as a guideline for your life is terrible and decidedly immoral. 

There was a time in this country when it was illegal to not return an escaped slave over to his master. But by all means put your personal convictions up to popular vote.

Problems with a language that is not my native one.

But there are cases in which you have to sacrifice moral for the law...I believe it's immoral to leave a killer free, but if a client confesses to me he has kiledl somebody, I have to shut my mouth or stop practicing laws.

Now in moth cases I try to do what is moral and legal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:33
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

oh lol there was a time an all those drugs were legal.

Oops.

Also, I apologize Ivan I forgot that everyone obeys the law, like yourself.
Remember when the US made alcohol illegal? That went stunningly well.

Yah. And then cocaine was made illegal in part because it was believed that blacks under the influence of cocaine were impervious to bullets and became filled with the urge to rape white women.


lulz
Is that serious?

I also believe that it was almost universally spelled "marihuana" but the j was used to make it look more "mexican"
Of course playing to racist sentiment.
mmmmm gotta love the political system....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:34
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

How come the 'or' changed to an 'and'?

You said you won't do anything which is illegal or immoral. Using the former as a guideline for your life is terrible and decidedly immoral. 

There was a time in this country when it was illegal to not return an escaped slave over to his master. But by all means put your personal convictions up to popular vote.

Problems with a language that is not my native one.

But there are cases in which you have to sacrifice moral for the law...I believe it's immoral to leave a killer free, but if a client confesses to me he has kiledl somebody, I have to shut my mouth or stop practicing laws.

Now in moth cases I try to do what is moral and legal.

Iván

Sacrificing morals for the law is immoral isn't it? Sorry, I think that's absolutely terrible. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:35
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Ivan, please learn how to do the quotes man.

You never answered me, do you make any personal choices or do you base your actions on whether or not it's legal?

Because that is certainly what it sounds like.




Yeah, I always had problems with this quitation thing here in PA. Don't you wish there was a manual or a walkthrough of some kind?

Yes, we need a quote icon instead of having to write all that codes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:38
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

oh lol there was a time an all those drugs were legal.

Oops.

Also, I apologize Ivan I forgot that everyone obeys the law, like yourself.
Remember when the US made alcohol illegal? That went stunningly well.

Yah. And then cocaine was made illegal in part because it was believed that blacks under the influence of cocaine were impervious to bullets and became filled with the urge to rape white women.


lulz
Is that serious?

I also believe that it was almost universally spelled "marihuana" but the j was used to make it look more "mexican"
Of course playing to racist sentiment.
mmmmm gotta love the political system....

Yup. The reasons for the prohibition were a mixture of rent seeking, by doctors, pharmacists, and many commercial companies like soft-drink providers, fear of minorities, xenophobia, and a postmillennial protestant moral code.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 16 2011 at 22:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:38
Anyone who supports the use of marijauna, think about THIS for a second:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:39
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Sacrificing morals for the law is immoral isn't it? Sorry, I think that's absolutely terrible. 



Well the morals can be ambiguous.

Wouldn't also be immoral to destroy the confidence attorney - client revealing what a client tells me?

I can and would stop defending that person (I'm entitled to that), but I wouldn't reveal priviledged information.

Iván


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:40
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

 

Jesus Iván, don't change the subject. Where the hell dicrimination was legal? USA? That's one of the most pollitically backward nation in the western world. In Brazil discrimination has been a crime punishable by improsonment for over 100 years, as I think it has been in most of Latin America.

Many places in the world, not only USA...Remember South Africa.

And Latin America being free from discrimination is a lie, until a few years ago Jews weren't accepted in some clubs, 

Even today, in Perú some sites can deny the entrance to expensive locals based in their clothes (and even when they don't say it, race). In some places they post a sign saying:

EL LOCAL SE RESERVA EL DERECHO DE ADMISIÓN
(The local can limit the admission without any explanation)

And that's enough, I seen this in Argentina and if I'm not wrong in Chile...So how is discrimination illegal if with a sign you can reject the entrance of any person without an explanation?

BTW: I read claims from Brazilian models of racism and read this http://www.brazzil.com/p16oct96.htm

Iván


South Africa is one huge problem. Dutch fighting English, English pretty much raping everybody else back to the stone age, Dutch colonists revamchism and then 40 years of that. But still, Israel does pretty much the same f**king thing with arabs, as well as genocide, and nobody does anything.

And as far as I know, elitist clubs can do that pretty much everywhere. And Brazil's issues aren't racial, they are merely economical. the thing is that most of the socially excluded have black or dark skin, so people usually jump into conclusions. Besides, there is a growing trend here in Brazil that is creating NGOs with no practical use whatsoever merely to grab some governmental investment and the NGOs doing that at the moment are the ones about racial issues. They are literally CREATING AN INEXISTING SOCIAL TENSION IN OUT SOCIETY and that is an extremely serious problem, way worst than drugs or sexual assault.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:41
Let's just get this out of the way:

http://scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug/

also

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/marijuna-as-a-gateway-drug-the-myth-that-will-not-die/

FTA:

"In the sense that marijuana use typically precedes rather than follows initiation of other illicit drug use, it is indeed a "gateway" drug. But because underage smoking and alcohol use typically precede marijuana use, marijuana is not the most common, and is rarely the first, "gateway" to illicit drug use. There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs."


The term 'gateway drug" is misleading at best, meaningless in practical terms, and (as it has been used in the past) just another lie fed to us by a government that wants to legislate morality with bullsh*t science and a witch hunt.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:43
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Anyone who supports the use of marijauna, think about THIS for a second:




OMG IT"S THE PERFECT ARGUMENT.

It's a good thing my taxes don't go to supporting terrorism, or I would have to stop paying them.

Hey. Wait a second...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:44
lol Drew using logic

Havn't you seen that has gotten us absolutely nowhere?
Comparing smoking bands to the Nazi's and talking about how Prohibition lead to the mafia is a lot more fun anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:45
Blue text lead to the Illuminati.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:46
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 

Sacrificing morals for the law is immoral isn't it? Sorry, I think that's absolutely terrible. 



Well the morals can be ambiguous.

Wouldn't also be immoral to destroy the confidence attorney - client revealing what a client tells me?

I can and would stop defending that person (I'm entitled to that), but I wouldn't reveal priviledged information.

Iván

Well I wasn't referring to that specifically, but I can.

Turn in a murderer or betray his trust? The moral choice seems easy. You probably shouldn't promise to clients not to divulge their guilt if they confess it to you.

Very poor business decision, suicidal maybe. Moral though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 22:46
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Anyone who supports the use of marijauna, think about THIS for a second:







No words....only rage.
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