Should marijuana be legalized?

Wait, even when you smoke tobacco you will agree it should be illegal?

JJLehto wrote: Wait, even when you smoke tobacco you will agree it should be illegal?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JJLehto wrote: Wait, even when you smoke tobacco you will agree it should be illegal? If it was made illegal, I would not oppose to the law. And I know it's risky for my health. Iván

OK, so you smoke now?
Why? Do you enjoy it? Can you not stop physically?

You would not oppose a law saying you can't do something you do? Doesn't make sense, except that it's bad for you. In which case I need to ask why you would do it anyway knowing that. Choose between not doing it, or doing so but accepting the law.

What you said really does confuse me.

JJLehto wrote: CCVP wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Hanyou wrote: But JJLehto, if you're not supposed to impose your morality on other people, who are you to say that people shouldn't be allowed to expose themselves to the risk of harder drugs? . Because when people become addicted, they turn into a problem for society. People may say pot is harmless, but that's BS, I seen a lot of people who started with pot and ended living bellow a bridge (stealing of course) when marihuana wasn't enough Iván Alcohol is a much larger problem and I don't see it being criminalized any time soon. In fact, if you made pot and cocaine legal, you would destroy the main source of income of the drug cartels. Another valid point! From Caio of all people Do you want alcohol to be illegal Ivan? Because we know for a fact it can be highly addictive, damaging, and can tear families apart and leave people as thieving bums on a street. It's legal and heavily advertised.... The gateway theory Ivan. OK, I'll give it to you. That CAN happen. But I'll counter your personal experience with my own. Major pot heads that function normally in society. Even major pot heads that went on to try shrooms, acid, ecstasy, even DMT. Would never touch cocaine or heroin in their lives. Besides, potheads are filling jails in the US. Maybe if we got rid of all those people, some of that space can be used for those people you mentioned Ivan. As well as those committing more serious crimes.

I actually studied this kind of thing for over two years so, I know a thing or two about drugs and the perversity if the penal system, on the USA and Brazil. And it really amuses me how the Americans make such a big deal out of something that is clearly not a problem. In fact, they literally created a problem for the whole f**king world. Cocaine was actually legal in Brazil and was sold in pharmacies untill the 1920 or 30's, when the Big Stick was making its way down to South America. The sh*t really hit the fan only 40 years later, but then it came full force.

Besides, looking at a purely technical way, treating people with chemichal issues is cheaper than having criminals locked up in prisions where not only they will develop serious mental and social issues, but can only get a series of venerial diseases, normal untreatable diseases and will be forced to carry for the rest of their lives one of the biggest social stigmas that exist.

Encarceration and law enforcement is not the way to treat a social and health problem. It never was and never will. It makes as much sense as aresting somebody because he is walking through the streets unemplyed, and that sh*t already existed in most of the civilized world, just not in AMERICA#1.

Yeah, pretty much Caio.

JJLehto wrote: Yeah, pretty much Caio.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JJLehto wrote:   OK, so you smoke now? Why? Do you enjoy it? Can you not stop physically? You would not oppose a law saying you can't do something you do? Doesn't make sense, except that it's bad for you. In which case I need to ask why you would do it anyway knowing that. Choose between not doing it, or doing so but accepting the law. What you said really does confuse me. I smoke because I'm addicted to nicotine. And I find no contradiction, if the law says it's illegal, I would stop doing it, even if it causes me pleasure. Iván

Well, I am impressed at your respect to the law.
So you smoke because you can't stop. Law has nothing to do with this in any way.
Also I do hope you can find the power to quit, though of course no one (and no law) will make you

CCVP wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JJLehto wrote:   OK, so you smoke now? Why? Do you enjoy it? Can you not stop physically? You would not oppose a law saying you can't do something you do? Doesn't make sense, except that it's bad for you. In which case I need to ask why you would do it anyway knowing that. Choose between not doing it, or doing so but accepting the law. What you said really does confuse me. I smoke because I'm addicted to nicotine. And I find no contradiction, if the law says it's illegal, I would stop doing it, even if it causes me pleasure. Iván OK Iván, but making nicotine-related material illegal would ever make you stop consuming cigarettes? I don't think so. Encarceration would not help too. That is the contradiction of substance prohibition. Also, matt out of the f**king nowhere.

Yeah, if it's made illegal Ivan you will stop? What if you can't? Or likewise, if it's never made illegal will you ever make an attempt to stop?
I hope I don't offend...but do you make any choices or do everything based on whether or not it's legal?

And have to agree with Pat and Matt, your answers are not even really answers and make even less sense then I do! I need to take a break from this thread and chill with some booze.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: What? What are you talking about? Those aren't answers. I don't even know what they mean. Without prohibition there is no black market. Could you attempt to explain. Maybe answer my questions.