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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 11:44
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

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Sorry Ivan, but my turn to have a go at pedant's corner.

No they didn't. What you mean is that you ceased to enjoy them after W & W, which is a totally different thing altogether, given that they proceeded to release a further seven studio albums, plus live and compilations, they clearly didn't "die", but actually resembled something relatively healthy, certainly judged upon sales.

In my opinion they died as a creative band to become a boring adult contemporary band.

Surely they didn't died economically (by the contrary), but they died musically (in my opinion of course).

Not pedantic, just honest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:02
Genesis
Abacab
Duke
 
All 4-star albums. Haters gonna hate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:02
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

Iván


Sorry Ivan, but my turn to have a go at pedant's corner.

No they didn't. What you mean is that you ceased to enjoy them after W & W, which is a totally different thing altogether, given that they proceeded to release a further seven studio albums, plus live and compilations, they clearly didn't "die", but actually resembled something relatively healthy, certainly judged upon sales.

In my opinion they died as a creative band to become a boring adult contemporary band.

Surely they didn't died economically (by the contrary), but they died musically (in my opinion of course).

Not pedantic, just honest.

Iván

 


And I respect your opinion, because at least it is based upon musical knowledge & tastes rather than puerile misled hatred of Collins. I do, though, very much disagree with that opinion. I have had years of pleasure listening to the post Hackett material, and I regard some of it as constituting some of the finest progressive rock of all time. As a very quick example, I still, 30 years on, get goosebumps listening to Dukes Travels/End.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:22
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

Iván


Sorry Ivan, but my turn to have a go at pedant's corner.

No they didn't. What you mean is that you ceased to enjoy them after W & W, which is a totally different thing altogether, given that they proceeded to release a further seven studio albums, plus live and compilations, they clearly didn't "die", but actually resembled something relatively healthy, certainly judged upon sales.

In my opinion they died as a creative band to become a boring adult contemporary band.

Surely they didn't died economically (by the contrary), but they died musically (in my opinion of course).

Not pedantic, just honest.

Iván

 


And I respect your opinion, because at least it is based upon musical knowledge & tastes rather than puerile misled hatred of Collins. I do, though, very much disagree with that opinion. I have had years of pleasure listening to the post Hackett material, and I regard some of it as constituting some of the finest progressive rock of all time. As a very quick example, I still, 30 years on, get goosebumps listening to Dukes Travels/End.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:32
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

Iván


Sorry Ivan, but my turn to have a go at pedant's corner.

No they didn't. What you mean is that you ceased to enjoy them after W & W, which is a totally different thing altogether, given that they proceeded to release a further seven studio albums, plus live and compilations, they clearly didn't "die", but actually resembled something relatively healthy, certainly judged upon sales.

In my opinion they died as a creative band to become a boring adult contemporary band.

Surely they didn't died economically (by the contrary), but they died musically (in my opinion of course).

Not pedantic, just honest.

Iván

 


And I respect your opinion, because at least it is based upon musical knowledge & tastes rather than puerile misled hatred of Collins. I do, though, very much disagree with that opinion. I have had years of pleasure listening to the post Hackett material, and I regard some of it as constituting some of the finest progressive rock of all time. As a very quick example, I still, 30 years on, get goosebumps listening to Dukes Travels/End.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 12:37
We Can't Dance is worth checking out for some good pop songs. In earlier 80's albums I think the sound feels dated, particularly in "Invisible Touch", which has some quality, but it hasn't aged well for me. I also think that the style in the 80's albums kind of falls between prog and pop, making it something of a compromise. Abacab is a good example of that.

So We can't Dance I like because of the pop quality, and nice sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 13:40
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 14:21
Nah, they didn't die but were coughing up some serious blood/
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 14:36
1. Duke - Honestly one of my favorites of any era.
2. ATTW3 - It gets slightly better every time. There's always a song I never liked, and suddenly I like it.
3. Invisible Touch - A very slight edge over Abacab. Mainly because it has fewer tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 18:24
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Genesis died after W&W.

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Other than the length of the songs I don't hear that much difference between W&W and Trick and ATTWT.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2011 at 18:44
Originally posted by wilmon91 wilmon91 wrote:

 
And Then There Were Three (1978) (good tracks: all of them, except Many too Many, Say it's alright Joe and Follow you follow me)

"Many Too Many" is a gorgeous track. Have another listen Wink


Quote We Can't Dance (1991)     (Good tracks: Dreaming while you sleep, Tell Me Why, Living Forever, Hold On My Heart)(worst song: Never a time)
"Never A Time" is also a lovely little tune. Try again Wink





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 16:31
Many Too Many is one of the best ballads in their catalog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 20:15
Okay, another listen of Many Too Many. It starts off pretty nice, but the sound is too drenched in the synth string sound. At the "Oh Mama" part I think it becomes too much, and when it goes up yet a notch at the "I thought I was lucky" -part, it's just too overdramatic and heavy with synth strings.
 
So it's mostly the arrangement I don't like. A version without synth could sound pretty okay....
 
"Never a Time" though, is downright awful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2011 at 05:32
1) Duke - Up there with TOTT and WAW
2) We Can't Dance - This album has been seriously short changed; could it be because it has the word 'Dance' in the album title?
3) Genesis - Love the live version of Home By The Sea
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 07:40
Just recently tried really hard to give it a go, but in the end: There is no good Genesis Record after Gabriel left, and so, there also can't be none after Hackettt left, of course.
Slightly off-topic, I know. Forgive me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 08:47
Originally posted by Butterfly Attack Butterfly Attack wrote:

Just recently tried really hard to give it a go, but in the end: There is no good Genesis Record after Gabriel left, and so, there also can't be none after Hackettt left, of course.
Slightly off-topic, I know. Forgive me.


It's not off topic, just wrongWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 09:15
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

For me there are only 2:
ATTWT and Duke. 


This. But what do I know? I stopped buying their albums after Duke, and I really don’t care about their hits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 09:22
Originally posted by wilmon91 wilmon91 wrote:

Okay, another listen of Many Too Many. It starts off pretty nice, but the sound is too drenched in the synth string sound. At the "Oh Mama" part I think it becomes too much, and when it goes up yet a notch at the "I thought I was lucky" -part, it's just too overdramatic and heavy with synth strings.
 
So it's mostly the arrangement I don't like. A version without synth could sound pretty okay....
 
"Never a Time" though, is downright awful.


I have no problem with Many too Many or Say it’s All Right, Joe. On the other hand, I don’t like Ballad of Big or Scenes from a Night’s Dream very much (both have really stupid lyrics), and I agree with you when it comes to Follow You, Follow Me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 11:39
Duke
And Then There Were 3
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